The Positive Side of the Trump Disaster: On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen...

straightUp Loc: California

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

archie bunker Loc: Texas

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

So I'm a fascist because I support the president when all I want is you to leave me be, and I'll do the same for you?

Fuk you straightup, and the Prius you drove in in!!

robmull Loc: florida

quote=straightUp]On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK[/quote]

Perhaps THAT's because the ACLU (D), is just as "red-(D)aiper" communist (D), as the current {and past} management of the Labor Unions (D), Congress (D), riotors (D), anarchists (D), (D)emonstrators (D), vandals (D) arsonists (D), looters (D), "PIG" killers (D), education (D), PPH (D), Code Pink (D), LGBTQ (D), MB (D), CAIR (D), MSA (D), CPUSA (D), SPUSA (D), "Giorgi" Soros (D), OWS (D), NAACP (D), Black Caucus (D), BLM (D), MSM (D), "Hollyweird" (D), the booted-out POTUS (D), administration, WH, Czars, Cabinet, Supervisors, Advisors, Ambassadors, NGO's, straight(D)own; and they absolutely HATE 21st century Western free-market civilization, and have {and will}, ever since Marx/Trotsky/Lenin/Mao/Ho/Alinsky (D), taught them a {better?} way. And YOU, straight(D)own, seem to be going right - sorry, "left" along with that radical Marx/Alinsky cabal (D). Huummmmmmmmm. What IS that "crushing" {"Rules for Radicals"} noise I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!! "(D)RAIN THAT (D)AMN SWAMP!!!"

JW

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

What you Lefties can't seem to get through your heads is that you don't define American values. Those of us, also American citizens, who see your values as detrimental to our way of life and most assuredly contrary to every historical and traditional view of what America has been, have a right to live under the umbrella of our values every bit as much as you under yours.

You promote multi-culturalism but won't tolerate the existence of a traditional American culture existing next to yours. You insist on subjugation rather than coexistence. You can't, or refuse to, see the hypocrisy of your so-called higher moral worldview.

Most of us, on the Right, are content to let you live as you choose. We expect the same from you and where we are utterly incompatible, stay the Hell on your side of life and we'll stay on ours. Let's let social evolution work things out peacefully.

Your problem is that you can't afford that. We are the people who generate the wealth and the material benefits you can't survive without. If you lose the ability to take what you need from us, your irresponsible and dependent culture will evaporate, and you know it!

Ricko Loc: Florida

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

straightup-what values ? Free everything for the lazies ? Open borders ? Ignore the rule of law ? Riot in the streets and destroy other people's property because one cannot have his/her way ? Be generous with other people's money ? Those liberal values ? America First !!!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I have a question.

WHAT CIVIL RIGHTS HAS TRUMP TAKEN AWAY??

Which side is trying to stifle the freedom of speech across the country?
Which side is trying to destroy traditional values, morals, and beliefs?

Ok. It was more than one question.

Where are you straightup? You fuking dirt bag commie SOB!

amadeus

You re so naive, so very elementary/ it takes a CHRISTIAN to understand you need prayer... The LORD loves you . How long shall HE have patience with all you CHRISTIAN haters????

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

robmull Loc: florida

JW wrote:

What you Lefties can't seem to get through your he... (show quote)

BIG problem with that 21st century American Western free-market philosophy these days, JW; "lefty" (D), is now looking towards another "enemy of our enemy," {radical} Islam (D), and their 7th century barbaric Sharia law culture (D). The voting block of {radical} Islam (D), is monumental {non-assimilating, "no-go" zone, polygamous, pedophile, rape, sex-slavery, harem culture}, and growing at about 10 X the rate of normal Western monogamous civilizations, and "lefty" (D), has now adopted the "sub-human" aspect of {radical} Islam's opinion of the Jews {or infidels}, to American conservative Republicans. Hummmmmmmmmmmm. And President "45" Donald J. {born again} trump (R), is the biggest "enemy" that (D)emonrats have had to contend-with in about a (D)ecade, and (R)eally, no great "hurdles," since after (R)onald (R)eagan (R), was POTUS. If Sharia Law is as firmly embedded into our free-market Western civilization as has been initiated {and American taxpayer funded}, "I want to use American free-market Western culture AGAINST itself, to usher in Islam" {Valerie Jarrett}, Western free-market civilization is going to be blocked at every turn by a Sharia law, TOTALLY, CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL, "shadow." And right - sorry, "left" (D)own-the-street from the WH, the "(D)evout" Shiite Muslim {communist/Sharia/12er?}, un-vetted Senior Presidential Advisor, from Iran, and booted-out POTUS, are constructing a "shadow government," OFA {"Organizing For Action"}, with about 250 "branch" offices, throughout our "Shining Light on the Hill, From Sea to Shining Sea." and I'm sure making good use of all the 22?+?, Islamic terrorist (D), training camps, that have been strategically/radically located around the perimeter of America. Hummmmmmmmm, again. What IS that "crushing" noise I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!! "(D)RAIN THAT (D) SWAMP!!!"

straightUp Loc: California

archie bunker wrote:

So I'm a fascist because I support the president when all I want is you to leave me be, and I'll do the same for you?

Fuk you straightup, and the Prius you drove in in!!

I didn't call YOU fascist Mr. Sensitive. I write in English where in a sentence like this... "Trump and his fascist supporters", the word fascist is a modifier. To put it in simple terms I am referring to those supporters who ARE fascist, not to the those supporters who are not. I don't make any assumptions about what type of supporter you are.

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

Lmao!!! SocialistUp, you're apparently oblivious to the momentum of this country, but enjoy thinking that there is some "movement" on the left that is showing any strength, and I'll continue laughing. 😂😂

The American Civil Liberties Union, otherwise known as the ACLU, sucks.
One thing you have to understand about attorneys is that they have a reason for doing anything. One reason for the American Civil Liberties Union is so that attorneys can file suit in cases that they normally would have no standing in which to file. In other words, this is simply another venue by which attorneys sue others for profit and gain.

By self proclamation, the ACLU convinces the public in general that they are the defenders of the American way. Whether you want to be defended or not. The ACLU won't likely help your grandmother who has been evicted from her apartment, but they will defend several Islamic radicals who want to terrorize American travelers in the airport and in the air. If you really believe that the ACLU has your best interests at heart then feel free to contact them the next time you need the assistance of an attorney to help you stand up for your rights. You will quickly find that the ACLU doesn't have time for you or your case, unless it somehow aligns with their liberal agenda or there is money to be made. Attorneys profit from lawsuits because they are allowed to collect attorney fees. The ACLU doesn't operate on a shostring, they are very well funded and have their hand out asking for money just as much as any politician.

Who does the ACLU use those donations to defend? Well, the North American Man Boy Love Association, also known as NAMBLA, was defended by the ACLU. NAMBLA is an organization that very openly advocates homosexual child molestation (man-boy love). In explaining who they are, the NAMBLA website posted the following:

"NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:
•building understanding and support for such relationships;
•educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
•cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
•supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom."
NAMBLA is alive and well thanks to the ACLU.

The ACLU has also defended suspected terrorists and combatants of the United States military in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. There is nothing like your good intentioned donations being used to help someone plotting to kill your children.

The ACLU certainly doesn't act like any union that cares about American Civil Liberties.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

straightUp wrote:

I didn't call YOU fascist Mr. Sensitive. I write in English where in a sentence like this... "Trump and his fascist supporters", the word fascist is a modifier. To put it in simple terms I am referring to those supporters who ARE fascist, not to the those supporters who are not. I don't make any assumptions about what type of supporter you are.

No mr. sensitive here dude. Just an American who is sick, and tired of your leftist bullshit. You people are the fascists here, and you know it. Keep pushing though. You will continue to lose.

robmull Loc: florida

straightUp wrote:

I didn't call YOU fascist Mr. Sensitive. I write in English where in a sentence like this... "Trump and his fascist supporters", the word fascist is a modifier. To put it in simple terms I am referring to those supporters who ARE fascist, not to the those supporters who are not. I don't make any assumptions about what type of supporter you are.

And what, pray-tell, (D)o you consider your main financier, fascist/Nazi "Giorgi" Soros, straight(D)own??? Hummmmmmmm. What IS that "crushing" noise I keep hearing??? Karl, is that you? Karl Marx? You little (D)evil, you. I'd know that ideology anywhere!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!

straightUp Loc: California

robmull wrote:

straightUp wrote:

On the positive side of things, the bizarre election of an unpopular president in 2016 has mobilized the American people to levels not seen since WW2. Recently, the ACLU, which for about 100 years has served the civil interests of the people against corporate and government oppression through legal mitigation, introduced a new mobilization program called PeoplePower which is established to educate people on methods of resistance. This is the first time the ACLU has done something like this and the move has no doubt been influenced by an equally unprecedented tripling of it's membership since the election.

The ACLU has been close to numerous anti-Trump rallies and has expressed a concern about some of the violence and vandalism at some of these demonstrations. Although the occurrences are not as prevalent as right-wing media portrays, they are nevertheless a concern because the only value they provide is to Trump and his fascist supporters that use these infrequent examples to characterize the entire resistance movement, but more importantly, it's wasted energy that doesn't accomplish anything for the cause.

There is little doubt that the flood of signups and funding, not just for the ACLU but for just about all the advocates of civil rights, is a sign that massive numbers of Americans are mobilizing and the sparks of violence we've seen at some of these demonstrations is most likely the result of too much energy without constructive channels and this is why the ACLU is creating PeoplePower. To help people channel their frustration and outrage into constructive actions, something the ACLU has a lot of experience with.

The reason why I am calling this a silver-lining rather than a mere consolation is that the attack on America by the right is nothing new. The Bush Administration was a clear attack on the American people and their civil rights and yet the resistance was minimal. Of course the 9/11 attacks were instrumental in developing a perceived state of affairs that caused many would-be resistors to "go along" with the need for increased security. But Trump's dogmatic agenda seems to exceed the cover of all rational thought and has become the catalyst that the resistance to fascism has been needing for at least 15 years. And if organizations like the ACLU's PeoplePower and Bernie Sander's OurRevolution can help temper the raw energy of resistance into an effective machine for protecting American values it will definitely be one of the brighter turns in our history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-aclu-idUSKBN16I0DK

On the positive side of things, the bizarre electi... (show quote)

Perhaps THAT's because the ACLU (D), is just as "red-(D)aiper" communist (D), as the current {and past} management of the Labor Unions (D), Congress (D), riotors (D), anarchists (D), (D)emonstrators (D), vandals (D) arsonists (D), looters (D), "PIG" killers (D), education (D), PPH (D), Code Pink (D), LGBTQ (D), MB (D), CAIR (D), MSA (D), CPUSA (D), SPUSA (D), "Giorgi" Soros (D), OWS (D), NAACP (D), Black Caucus (D), BLM (D), MSM (D), "Hollyweird" (D), the booted-out POTUS (D), administration, WH, Czars, Cabinet, Supervisors, Advisors, Ambassadors, NGO's, straight(D)own; and they absolutely HATE 21st century Western free-market civilization, and have {and will}, ever since Marx/Trotsky/Lenin/Mao/Ho/Alinsky (D), taught them a {better?} way. And YOU, straight(D)own, seem to be going right - sorry, "left" along with that radical Marx/Alinsky cabal (D). Huummmmmmmmm. What IS that "crushing" {"Rules for Radicals"} noise I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!! "(D)RAIN THAT (D)AMN SWAMP!!!"

quote=straightUp On the positive side of things, ... (show quote)

Let me know when you've wiped the froth from your mouth and are willing to have an intelligent discussion.

straightUp Loc: California

JW wrote:

What you Lefties can't seem to get through your heads is that you don't define American values.

Oh really? So only conservatives are allowed to define American values? Is that it?

JW wrote:

Those of us, also American citizens, who see your values as detrimental to our way of life and most assuredly contrary to every historical and traditional view of what America has been, have a right to live under the umbrella of our values every bit as much as you under yours.

Yes, you have that right, as much as you think we don't. I think a big problem here is that you really don't know what our values are. Certainly, the prevalence of lies on the right about liberals being communists confirms this.

JW wrote:

You promote multi-culturalism but won't tolerate the existence of a traditional American culture existing next to yours.

Traditional American culture *IS* my culture. If you think yours is different then I don't know what to tell you.

JW wrote:

You insist on subjugation rather than coexistence. You can't, or refuse to, see the hypocrisy of your so-called higher moral worldview.

And yet it's your side that insists on establishing rules about who people can marry, what women can do to their bodies, what people are allowed to consume... If that's not subjugation what is? So don't don't talk to me about hypocrisy when you're so blatantly guilty of your own accusations.

JW wrote:

Most of us, on the Right, are content to let you live as you choose.

Some, maybe... But there are a lot of people on the right that aren't and that's why they keep asking Congress to add new laws to force people into compliance with the way they think everyone should live. That doesn't happen on the left... unless you count our proposals that everyone pitch in and help the less fortunate... an idea which you folks seem to hate with a passion. Which is weird because you folks claim to be such good Christians, so I wouldn't think helping the less fortunate would be such a violation of "your" culture.

JW wrote:

We expect the same from you

And why wouldn't you? The only reason why we don't expect the same from you is because we've learned that you aren't willing to let people live how they want.

JW wrote:

and where we are utterly incompatible, stay the Hell on your side of life and we'll stay on ours. Let's let social evolution work things out peacefully.

I wish it were that easy.

JW wrote:

Your problem is that you can't afford that. We are the people who generate the wealth and the material benefits you can't survive without. If you lose the ability to take what you need from us, your irresponsible and dependent culture will evaporate, and you know it!

That's a fantasy JW... The reality is that most of the GDP in this country comes from "blue" regions not "red" ones. Your fantasy, which I'm very familiar with, is based on the misconception that we are anti-business, which is not true and that we are all "looking for free stuff" which is not true either.

You see, we have the balls to stand up to corporate corruption where you think corporations are God's gift to man. That's why you think we're anti-business. But when a factory is willing to pollute local water sources, telling them to clean up their shit so people don't get poisoned is NOT anti-business and turning a blind eye isn't pro-business either. And when we suggest that we offer assistance to the sick and the poor...? Yeah, that doesn't mean that we are looking for "free stuff".

We can go back and forth on this all day. But I'm going to ask you something in the interest of a slightly more intelligent conversation... Give me ONE actual example of ANY of the assertions you've made.... in your own words ( I don't want to follow some link to some virus infested fake news site).

straightUp Loc: California

archie bunker wrote:

No mr. sensitive here dude. Just an American who is sick, and tired of your leftist bullshit.

Mr. Sensitive, it's not leftists bullshit that you are tired of... it's right-wing bullshit. Think about it. How often you you actually engross yourself in liberal generated content? Never? I've seen your posts and I can tell that your source of "understanding" comes from the right, not the left.

archie bunker wrote:

You people are the fascists here, and you know it.

LOL... 'reminds me of that Suicidal Tendencies song... "I'm not the one who's crazy. YOU'RE the one who's crazy!"

Fascism is one of those overused terms that has no specific definition other than a political system that resembles the Italian Fascisti. I have always been hesitant to use the term myself until very recently and here's why.

There are many aspects of the Italian Fascisti that can be paralleled in other systems, such as a centralized government and severe economic and social regimentation. Certainly, the American Left can be accused of economic regimentation and the American Right can certainly be accused of social regimentation. But these characteristics are not unique to fascism. Keynesian capitalism also applies regiment to the economy and the Church has been applying social regiment for centuries.

What made the Italian Fascisti stand out is the combination of these things with an autocratic leader, a highly agitated sense of militant nationalism and a forcible suppression of any opposition.

So here's how our sides fare on the check-list...

1. centralized government.... Both sides tend to leverage the federal government where it's convenient to their cause.
2. autocratic leader (dictator).... Neither side aspires to autocracy but power has nevertheless shifted from the Legislative Branch to the Executive Branch often under the guise of "fast-track" laws. In the 20 years that I've been paying attention almost all of these power grabs have occurred under Republican presidents. In addition, Bush is the only president that bypassed the Judicial Branch by creating his own justice system (military tribunals). So I give the Republicans this one.
3. economic regimentation... Both sides are guilty of this, but in general I'd say the Democrats are more about controlling the economy than Republicans are.
4. social regimentation... This is all right-wing here... I won't even say Republican, although Republicans are far more sympathetic to the right-wing.
5. militant nationalism... Right wing/Republican ALL THE WAY.

Trump exacerbates ALL five of these characteristics if not through his so far unsuccessful actions, then certainly through his rhetoric and this is why I feel comfortable calling him and his like-minded supporters fascists and this is me being polite about it.

archie bunker wrote:

Keep pushing though. You will continue to lose.

I suggest you enjoy your perceived glory for as long as you can. Trump supporters are vastly outnumbered by true Americans.