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Feb 20, 2017 09:19:04   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Levin, Meckler uncover extreme left-right coalition against Convention of States
Posted by Convention of States Project on February 17, 2017

Groups from both the extreme left and the extreme right have come together to oppose a Convention of States. Usually they're fiercely opposed to each other, but in this case they have one thing in common: they like the status quo in Washington, D.C.
Click the video below to listen to Mark Levin and Mark Meckler discuss how these groups have fear-mongered their way into state legislatures across the country.

https://youtu.be/9nsxWmronxk?list=PL8h4sleiAEjVsj34mcSDLupCnWYIwdXaY

There is a follow up video after this one. Levin goes into one of his rages and starts screaming at the end of this video and through the next so turn your volume down.

There are significant changes required in our government, most notably term limits for Congressmen and Federal Judges including the Supremes. These changes will never be effected by the sitting Congress no matter what flavor it is. To correct the abuses, which have come to be customary, a convention of states (Article 5 convention) is needed to install new amendments. Hopefully this convention will address the necessary proof of eligibility to be President as well as eliminating automatic citizenship for children born to those who are in the country illegally.

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Feb 20, 2017 09:42:45   #
bahmer
 
pafret wrote:
Levin, Meckler uncover extreme left-right coalition against Convention of States
Posted by Convention of States Project on February 17, 2017

Groups from both the extreme left and the extreme right have come together to oppose a Convention of States. Usually they're fiercely opposed to each other, but in this case they have one thing in common: they like the status quo in Washington, D.C.
Click the video below to listen to Mark Levin and Mark Meckler discuss how these groups have fear-mongered their way into state legislatures across the country.

https://youtu.be/9nsxWmronxk?list=PL8h4sleiAEjVsj34mcSDLupCnWYIwdXaY

There is a follow up video after this one. Levin goes into one of his rages and starts screaming at the end of this video and through the next so turn your volume down.

There are significant changes required in our government, most notably term limits for Congressmen and Federal Judges including the Supremes. These changes will never be effected by the sitting Congress no matter what flavor it is. To correct the abuses, which have come to be customary, a convention of states (Article 5 convention) is needed to install new amendments. Hopefully this convention will address the necessary proof of eligibility to be President as well as eliminating automatic citizenship for children born to those who are in the country illegally.
Levin, Meckler uncover extreme left-right coalitio... (show quote)


If the right people came together in a convention of states it could be a wonderful and fruitful convention and things could get passed for the good of the country. If the wrong group of people took control it could be disastrous for the country. Think what would happen if say California took control of the convention of states and they passed laws similar to where California is today. That would destroy America for sure.

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Feb 20, 2017 10:05:11   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
bahmer wrote:
If the right people came together in a convention of states it could be a wonderful and fruitful convention and things could get passed for the good of the country. If the wrong group of people took control it could be disastrous for the country. Think what would happen if say California took control of the convention of states and they passed laws similar to where California is today. That would destroy America for sure.


I seem to remember there was a constitutional convention back in 1787, meant to address perceived flaws in the articles of confederation. Once the doors were closed, they threw out their mandate, completely started from scratch and gave us the constitution we suffer with today. These were the ones who literally fought the British in the revolutionary war. Imagine what kind of disaster would come out of a modern day constitutional convention. I shudder to think.

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Feb 20, 2017 10:12:59   #
okie don
 
i have read a Con-Con is NOT wise.
Like Larry said it can go terribly wrong.

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Feb 20, 2017 10:23:48   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
pafret wrote:
Levin, Meckler uncover extreme left-right coalition against Convention of States
Posted by Convention of States Project on February 17, 2017

Groups from both the extreme left and the extreme right have come together to oppose a Convention of States. Usually they're fiercely opposed to each other, but in this case they have one thing in common: they like the status quo in Washington, D.C.
Click the video below to listen to Mark Levin and Mark Meckler discuss how these groups have fear-mongered their way into state legislatures across the country.

https://youtu.be/9nsxWmronxk?list=PL8h4sleiAEjVsj34mcSDLupCnWYIwdXaY

There is a follow up video after this one. Levin goes into one of his rages and starts screaming at the end of this video and through the next so turn your volume down.

There are significant changes required in our government, most notably term limits for Congressmen and Federal Judges including the Supremes. These changes will never be effected by the sitting Congress no matter what flavor it is. To correct the abuses, which have come to be customary, a convention of states (Article 5 convention) is needed to install new amendments. Hopefully this convention will address the necessary proof of eligibility to be President as well as eliminating automatic citizenship for children born to those who are in the country illegally.
Levin, Meckler uncover extreme left-right coalitio... (show quote)


There is no "automatic citizenship for children born to those in this country illegally." It is a convenient fiction that flies in the face of at least 2 SCOTUS decisions.
The First was Elk v Wilkins 1884, in which the court ruled that John Elk, an Indian, was NOT a citizen because he was born to parents who were not citizens.

The second was US v Wong Kim Ark 1898 in which SCOTUS ruled that Wong Kim Ark WAS a citizen, because while his parents were not citizens, they were domiciled here with the intention of becoming citizens. In other words, they were permanent LEGAL residents.

The author of the first section of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan, stated that it's purpose was solely to guarantee full citizenship rights to slaves and their progeny. That it was not intended to apply to children born to non-citizens here illegally. Also, the 5th section of the Amendment provides for a legislative solution, a Constitutional Amendment is not necessary. Just a Congress with balls.

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Feb 20, 2017 10:28:56   #
okie don
 
What my friend Bill and I are working on here in Okla is Ratifying a 28th Amendment. To ratify an Amendment take 3/4ths of the 50 States or 38 States.
11 have already Ratified it back in the 1800's and the war of 1812 came along and it was shelved, gathering dust all these years.
These guys in TX have been working on this for 9 years now. David Zuniga and Assoc. It will involves bringing our ' elected representstive's' back to their
respective States so they can be monitored by "We the People" who elected them and away from the lobbiests that wine and dine them in DC.
It will involve ' term limits' and Americans like you and I can participate running our Government as it was intended in the beginning.

A second step is to establish " well Maintained Militias".
Our 2nd amendment is 13 words: " A well maintined Militia and the right to bear arms shall not be infrienged'...
The 3rd step is to reclaim the land the Feds have stolen from the People.
Think Bundy ranch in NEVADA as then mess in OREGON where LaVoy Finnicum as murdered
by the BLM...

It will take time and 'we the people' to unify and " Get-r-Done" in the remaining 27 States in our nation.

www.americaagain.net

Check it out if you may be interested in doing something for your progeny (:

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Feb 20, 2017 10:28:56   #
okie don
 
What my friend Bill and I are working on here in Okla is Ratifying a 28th Amendment. To ratify an Amendment take 3/4ths of the 50 States or 38 States.
11 have already Ratified it back in the 1800's and the war of 1812 came along and it was shelved, gathering dust all these years.
These guys in TX have been working on this for 9 years now. David Zuniga and Assoc. It will involves bringing our ' elected representstive's' back to their
respective States so they can be monitored by "We the People" who elected them and away from the lobbiests that wine and dine them in DC.
It will involve ' term limits' and Americans like you and I can participate running our Government as it was intended in the beginning.

A second step is to establish " well Maintained Militias".
Our 2nd amendment is 13 words: " A well maintined Militia and the right to bear arms shall not be infrienged'...
The 3rd step is to reclaim the land the Feds have stolen from the People.
Think Bundy ranch in NEVADA as then mess in OREGON where LaVoy Finnicum as murdered
by the BLM...

It will take time and 'we the people' to unify and " Get-r-Done" in the remaining 27 States in our nation.

www.americaagain.net

Check it out if you may be interested in doing something for your progeny (:

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Feb 20, 2017 10:33:34   #
okie don
 
We are in the process of introducing this to Donald trump now as to 'Make America Great Again' and assist him!!!

It's gonna take the people to do it. He cannot do it alone.
After all it is ' OUR GOVERNMENT ' and up to us to make it the way our founders intended it to be
when the ball as dropped some 200+ years ago. (:

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Feb 20, 2017 10:46:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
okie don wrote:
We are in the process of introducing this to Donald trump now as to 'Make America Great Again' and assist him!!!

It's gonna take the people to do it. He cannot do it alone.
After all it is ' OUR GOVERNMENT ' and up to us to make it the way our founders intended it to be
when the ball as dropped some 200+ years ago. (:


Perfect!!!

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Feb 20, 2017 11:03:20   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
bahmer wrote:
If the right people came together in a convention of states it could be a wonderful and fruitful convention and things could get passed for the good of the country. If the wrong group of people took control it could be disastrous for the country. Think what would happen if say California took control of the convention of states and they passed laws similar to where California is today. That would destroy America for sure.


As Levin points out, any amendments have to be approved by a certain number of states in the state congress. There is no likelihood of any group controlling that many disparate viewpoints.

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Feb 20, 2017 11:09:03   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Loki wrote:
There is no "automatic citizenship for children born to those in this country illegally." It is a convenient fiction that flies in the face of at least 2 SCOTUS decisions.
The First was Elk v Wilkins 1884, in which the court ruled that John Elk, an Indian, was NOT a citizen because he was born to parents who were not citizens.

The second was US v Wong Kim Ark 1898 in which SCOTUS ruled that Wong Kim Ark WAS a citizen, because while his parents were not citizens, they were domiciled here with the intention of becoming citizens. In other words, they were permanent LEGAL residents.

The author of the first section of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan, stated that it's purpose was solely to guarantee full citizenship rights to slaves and their progeny. That it was not intended to apply to children born to non-citizens here illegally. Also, the 5th section of the Amendment provides for a legislative solution, a Constitutional Amendment is not necessary. Just a Congress with balls.
There is no "automatic citizenship for childr... (show quote)


You are quite right in your interpretation of the constitution, however, that asshole Ted Kennedy was responsible for The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. This is his legacy:

Fifty years later, the Census bureau predicts that the foreign-born population is set to increase 85 percent by 2060, where Hispanics will see their number grow by the tens of millions and native-born whites are the only group expected to decline in both absolute numbers and fertility rates.

Fifty years later, the U.S. places no numerical limit on the immediate family members of aliens admitted into the country. Despite holding only five percent of the world’s population, the U.S. is the most popular destination in the world for immigrants, attracting 20 percent of all the world’s migrants.

"Fifty years later, the U.S. allows some 11 to 20 million illegal aliens to squat on its territory while allowing over one million more each year to legally enter the country.

Fifty years later, the native-born population of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews and all the rest suffer economic loss while the foreign-born see net job growth.

Fifty years later, Central American governments are propped up by $12.2 billion in remittances taken out of the American economy by foreign workers the U.S. refuses to tax or expel."

Anchor baby citizenship is now the law of the land in contravention to the Constitution.

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Feb 20, 2017 11:16:20   #
okie don
 
Linda Lou, ummm LindaJoy lol's
FYI,
Here's the States that have already Ratified it back in the 1800's:
KY,MD,NC,NH,NJ,NY,PA,RI,SC,VA,VT.
CT DID TOO BUT FOR SOME REASON IT WASN'T RECORDED
So, as stated 11 States are on record, All we need is 27 more states and we have 3/4ths of the 50.
The last Amendment RATIFIED is the 27th. It was done by one dude, a student at University of texas [ Austin]
It says ' No elected representative will get the salary raise he gave himself until ' RE-ELECTED '

Linda, one (1) guy did this!!!
Ummm imagine that!!! { he thought, scratching his head} (:-))

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Feb 20, 2017 11:20:50   #
okie don
 
If you live in a State not listed above you could help us.
It's up to us " We the people" to get things right.

I'm tired of playing with this damn keyboard wearing out my fingrnails so
decided to get off my couch and do somethng positve for my kids and grandkids.

www.americaagain.net

They [we] have a 1 hour conference call on Sunday night 8:00pm CST here in Okla. (:

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Feb 20, 2017 13:05:19   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
bahmer wrote:
If the right people came together in a convention of states it could be a wonderful and fruitful convention and things could get passed for the good of the country. If the wrong group of people took control it could be disastrous for the country. Think what would happen if say California took control of the convention of states and they passed laws similar to where California is today. That would destroy America for sure.
The Article 5 convention IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. It is not a legislative process, no law can be passed at an Article 5 convention. This convention is solely one of two procedures specified in Article 5 for PROPOSING AMENDMENTS to the constitution. (Read Article 5, it is written in plain English, as is the entire constitution.)


One state taking control of an Article 5 convention is not possible. In order for the convention to occur, 2/3rds of the state legislatures must be represented--33 states. Any amendment proposed by the delegates must be by unanimous vote. The proposed amendment/s must then be submitted to the legislatures of ALL 50 states for ratification. 3/4ths of the state legislatures (38 states) must ratify the amendment/s for the amendment/s to become a part of the constitution.

Again, an Article 5 convention IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, the body of the constitution cannot be touched. Again, an Article 5 is one of two procedures for PROPOSING AMENDMENTS, not rewriting the constitution.

As of the 2016 election, Republicans control both houses in 33 state legislatures.

Is that clear enough for all of you? If not, take the Hillsdale College online course--Constitution 101, or read Levin's book---The Liberty Amendments. Or, visit Convention of States

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Feb 20, 2017 14:00:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
I seem to remember there was a constitutional convention back in 1787, meant to address perceived flaws in the articles of confederation. Once the doors were closed, they threw out their mandate, completely started from scratch and gave us the constitution we suffer with today. These were the ones who literally fought the British in the revolutionary war. Imagine what kind of disaster would come out of a modern day constitutional convention. I shudder to think.
Amazing how many Americans are so ignorant of our founding. An Article V convention of states IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

If we are going to "Make America Great Again" (i.e., return to the fundamental law of the nation), it only makes sense to apply the principles prescribed in our founding documents to do so. All these other extraneous "movements" are futile.

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