When capitalism fails: There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

robmull Loc: florida

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

I suppose nothing's "so special about Monsanto and Bayer," minor, except that billions of their profits have {and always WILL go} into the American "exceptionalism," and our basic need to try to make the world a better place. And "WE" have about the best education in the world available to try to figure-out what's best for diseases and sicknesses and disasters all OVER the planet, and faster to reach natural and man-made calamities, usually even faster than our little cousin in the Middle-East, Israel. And "WE" hire Scientist and Archeologists and Anarchologists and Marine Biologists and doctors and whosoever else is needed to continue to try to make our "experimental" Republic, America, leaps-and-bounds ahead of whoever's next. I suggest you should pack-up and go to a nice little hut in like Haiti or Uruguay to get away from this (D)amn stinki'n greedy free-market "hijacked" noxious "Neonic" capitalist "lobbyist" rotten (D)amn "ruthless/bribing" "pesticide-ridden" (D) anm stinkin' America. Just a thought. Hummmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R)!!!

peter11937 Loc: NYS

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

Decline is due to DISEASE and viruses and fungus. That is war research shows. https://phys.org/news/2016-04-multi-year-honey-bee-parasites-disease.html Get in touch with actual research.

Mr Bombastic

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

Revelation 6:6

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Revelation 6:6

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Remember when the book "Silent Spring" came out, claiming that all the birds were dying because of DDT? The science was faulty, and has been proven invalid but the public doesn't care, and DDT is a thing of the past, Hence the Zika virus and several other mosquito born fatal diseases. The same kind of false "science" has forced the claim of "Man made global warming" even though it required misrepresenting data to do so.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

no propaganda please wrote:

Remember when the book "Silent Spring" came out, claiming that all the birds were dying because of DDT? The science was faulty, and has been proven invalid but the public doesn't care, and DDT is a thing of the past, Hence the Zika virus and several other mosquito born fatal diseases. The same kind of false "science" has forced the claim of "Man made global warming" even though it required misrepresenting data to do so.

Jusy for fun. here's one of many. Where is the effect of man obvious? www.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg&action=click" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg#id=1&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg&action=click" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=vostok+ice+core+graphs&fr=yhs-visicom-panda1&hspart=visicom&hsimp=yhs-panda1&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg&action=click" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg#id=1&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelivingmoon.com%2F47brotherthebig%2F04images%2FAntarctica%2F415k-year-temp-graph.jpg&action=click

son of witless

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

Well I think you have to look at who the honey bees competition are . I mean what products go up against honey in the market place. There are artificial sweetners. Then there are the international sugar producers. a shifty bunch indeed. I'm sorry, I do not see them wiping out the bees. Maybe the sugar beet industry/?

But I am really leaning toward the maple syrup moguls in Canada. A shifty bunch if ever I have heard.

emarine

robmull wrote:

I suppose nothing's "so special about Monsant... (show quote)

Rob buddy... I didn't take you for a crony capitalist... the free market is one thing but the wealthy piss ants bribing elected officials is another... I don't think the Major was trying to save the bee's here...

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

son of witless wrote:

Well I think you have to look at who the honey bees competition are . I mean what products go up against honey in the market place. There are artificial sweetners. Then there are the international sugar producers. a shifty bunch indeed. I'm sorry, I do not see them wiping out the bees. Maybe the sugar beet industry/?

But I am really leaning toward the maple syrup moguls in Canada. A shifty bunch if ever I have heard.

Bye Jove Dr. Watson , I think you are onto something. What what , pip pip . Jolly good ole man.
Fine deductive reasoning .

Rivers

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

Hey phony non-partisan, let's have some of that "significant scientific evidence", come on, cough it up. We're waiting.

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

lpnmajor wrote:

There is significant scientific evidence to suggest that neonics, a pesticide, is contributing to the decline of honey bees. Why should we care? Bees are pollinators and a good portion of our food crops require their services. Then, there's the honey. Notice a steep rise in the price of honey? It's because it's becoming scarce. Supply and demand, the capitalist mantra.

The pesticide industry, Monsanto and Bayer, makes about 2.5 billion in sales annually of these Neonics. The food from pollinated sources accounts for about 30 billion in annual production. For nearly a decade, it has been known that Neonics are responsible for bee deaths, and bee weakening, yet the pesticides have not been banned here, like they have elsewhere. Why is that I wonder?

Monsanto and Bayer spend 100's of millions of dollars in lobbying and alternative testing, similar to "alternative facts". There are 100's of 1000's of food producers, and 10's of 1000's of bee keepers nation wide - who do not have millions to spare to buy consideration in State legislatures and the US Congress. What does it cost to have legislators ignore science, in favor of bribes, I mean, campaign donations? You pay more for food, and will pay even more every year.

Unless my math is faulty, 30 billion is a larger number than 2.5 billion, so why is it that the smaller number is protected, at the expense of the larger number? I already explained that; 100 million dollars worth of lobbying and bribes. True capitalism would favor the crop producers, therefor, the beekeepers who supply them with pollinators, as they have a larger market share - but that's not what we see. What we see is selfish capitalism, where the legislators concerns are with there own pockets, and to hell with everybody else.

Some food products are already pretty much extinct in the US, due to lack of pollinating bees. Farmers must rent bees to pollinate their crops, as local bees have been poisoned out of existence. Beekeepers are losing bees at a rate of near 50% every year, due to the persistence of the pesticides, forcing more beekeepers out of business. Farmers must now look further afield for bees, pay more for the bees they find, and pay more to have them shipped to their fields. Crop costs skyrocket, are not adequately compensated in the commodities market, forcing more farmers to abandon those crops. The crop prices rise sharply as a result of reduced supply - and the cycle continues.

Capitalism is fine, as long as it's not hijacked by selfish and ruthless politicians for their own gain. When you can no longer afford to buy honey, strawberry's, or any other fruit, because of the paradigm I just described - you too may come to wonder just what the hell is so special about Monsanto and Bayer ( who are trying to merge BTW ), that their precious profits have to be protected at the expense of the rest of the world.

There is significant scientific evidence to sugges... (show quote)

There have been hundreds of protests in the US in every major city over Monsanto.
Funny how it didn't get the media coverage.

I guess you have to be extatic that ol'Hillary didn't get in as she was one of they're many campaign recipients, they're "MainMan" if you will.
It seems she's not in light company either.
A couple of names you probably know quite well are also Joe Biden and the one and only Barrack Obama.
Perhaps this is why Monsanto hasn't been portrayed in a bad light.
It is a shame we can't elect a leader that isn't owned by this destructive conglomerate.
Or have we...

https://www.rt.com/news/261573-monsanto-global-protests-gmo/

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34688-big-campaign-cash-for-clinton-from-monsanto-lobbyist

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

emarine wrote:

Rob buddy... I didn't take you for a crony capitalist... the free market is one thing but the wealthy piss ants bribing elected officials is another... I don't think the Major was trying to save the bee's here...

Might not be a bad idea though, saving the bees that is.
Funny, the light may have never gotten shined on this atrocity if not for the dwindleing numbers of the Monarch Butterfly.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

the waker wrote:

Might not be a bad idea though, saving the bees that is.
Funny, the light may have never gotten shined on this atrocity if not for the dwindleing numbers of the Monarch Butterfly.

The Monarch butterfly needs the milkweed plant to reproduce. The effort to kill these "weeds" has been too successful and is at least partially responsible for their decline. The answer to that part of the problem is clear, stop killing the milkweed.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

peter11937 wrote:

The Monarch butterfly needs the milkweed plant to reproduce. The effort to kill these "weeds" has been too successful and is at least partially responsible for their decline. The answer to that part of the problem is clear, stop killing the milkweed.

We specifically plant milkweed near the creek every year so the Monarchs can have a place to be on their round trip. They are worth preserving.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

robmull wrote:

I suppose nothing's "so special about Monsant... (show quote)

The Anti-Human Mindset Of Environmentalists | Robert Zubrin and...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdYvKgl7Z_0

Mar 16, 2016 ... MP3: http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3231/the-antihuman-mindset-of- environmentalists-robert-zubrin-and-stefan-molyneux Soundcloud:

the connection is worth considering....