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Jan 18, 2017 20:08:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).

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Jan 18, 2017 20:14:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
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"I got your poll hangin', bitch."
"I got your poll hangin', bitch."...

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Jan 18, 2017 20:26:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
LOL. It's what the left does. Fake news. Fake polls. How can you believe the same people who just lied and got everything not just wrong, but historically wrong? Come to think of it liberals would believe their own propaganda. They've been lied to for eight years and swallowed every bit of it.
Blade_Runner wrote:
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Jan 18, 2017 20:32:41   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
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Perma-first of all we do not know who was polled. Anyone who is subsidized or has obtained medicaid under this law thinks it is a good law. The problem is with those who do not qualify for subsidies and have to pay the full premium. Example: family member, male, 2016 premiums were $280.00 monthly with a 2K deductible. Had 4 doctors visits in 2016 and paid out of pocket for all four. In 2017-his premium is $430.00 monthly and the deductible is 6K. The plan is the least expensive he could find under the ACA. Would you like that plan ? His situation is not one of the worst. At least one person has posted that he pays $1100 monthly for husband and Wife with a 10K deductible. The polls need to isolate the full premium payers, from those who are subsidized and finally those on medicaid to have any kind of validity. We cannot afford to wait until this thing implodes and leaves people hanging. Some States are down to a single insurer while others have 2 or more. The government mandates are hurting both the insured and the insurers so something has to give. In a Republic, nobody should have to pay a penalty for not buying a product that the governments wants them to buy. What if the government decided that people on medicare must buy a government supplement at a set fee of $500 per person per month or pay a penalty would you be happy about it ?? Good Luck America !!!

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Jan 18, 2017 20:41:36   #
timofrock
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
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Your a broken record, permaclown.

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Jan 18, 2017 20:48:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
timofrock wrote:
Your a broken record, permaclown.




What the frock,

Didn`t you say that on the last post? You should work on a 2nd line..

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Jan 18, 2017 20:53:00   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricko wrote:
Perma-first of all we do not know who was polled. Anyone who is subsidized or has obtained medicaid under this law thinks it is a good law. The problem is with those who do not qualify for subsidies and have to pay the full premium. Example: family member, male, 2016 premiums were $280.00 monthly with a 2K deductible. Had 4 doctors visits in 2016 and paid out of pocket for all four. In 2017-his premium is $430.00 monthly and the deductible is 6K. The plan is the least expensive he could find under the ACA. Would you like that plan ? His situation is not one of the worst. At least one person has posted that he pays $1100 monthly for husband and Wife with a 10K deductible. The polls need to isolate the full premium payers, from those who are subsidized and finally those on medicaid to have any kind of validity. We cannot afford to wait until this thing implodes and leaves people hanging. Some States are down to a single insurer while others have 2 or more. The government mandates are hurting both the insured and the insurers so something has to give. In a Republic, nobody should have to pay a penalty for not buying a product that the governments wants them to buy. What if the government decided that people on medicare must buy a government supplement at a set fee of $500 per person per month or pay a penalty would you be happy about it ?? Good Luck America !!!
Perma-first of all we do not know who was polled. ... (show quote)




ricko,

the private policy of the ACA is also what is giving congress fits in trying to replace the ACA...

Also in Minnesota, the same problem exists, But while I know a couple of people who have to buy off the exchange, they do not have t he same degree of the problem as you show.. Why? I can not tell you... have no idea..

do not recall premiums but the deductible for both were 4500 $.... If congress does get a plan together, it will need some very inventive terms.. Otherwise, they could simply change the name and most would think it was wonderful...

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Jan 18, 2017 20:54:25   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
LOL. It's what the left does. Fake news. Fake polls. How can you believe the same people who just lied and got everything not just wrong, but historically wrong? Come to think of it liberals would believe their own propaganda. They've been lied to for eight years and swallowed every bit of it.




j,

You think that is fake news???

I am going to post some real fake news before I hang the lamp tonight.. Look for it on latest postings in a few min...

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Jan 18, 2017 21:12:07   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
permafrost wrote:
ricko,

the private policy of the ACA is also what is giving congress fits in trying to replace the ACA...

Also in Minnesota, the same problem exists, But while I know a couple of people who have to buy off the exchange, they do not have t he same degree of the problem as you show.. Why? I can not tell you... have no idea..

do not recall premiums but the deductible for both were 4500 $.... If congress does get a plan together, it will need some very inventive terms.. Otherwise, they could simply change the name and most would think it was wonderful...
ricko, br br the private policy of the ACA is als... (show quote)


Perma- If the average person has a deductible of 2K, how many do you think will be able to use their plan for normal care ? Some have reported deductibles of up to 14K. OK lets consider the people you are talking about with a deductible of 4.5K . Their plan is basically useless unless they incur medical costs of over 4.5K in one year. So what they really have is a catastrophic plan for which they are paying a very high premium unless they qualify for a subsidy. Were you aware that hidden in the plan are over 40billion in new taxes ? Some of these will take effect in 2017 along with premium increases so someone will get hurt unless this is replaced. I agree that merely changing the name will not do the trick and it is not as simple as one would believe. The main concern is that everybody who is now insured gets coverage. I understand that there are proposals being considered that will greatly reduce costs while providing adequate coverage. We shall see !!! Good Luck America!!!

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Jan 18, 2017 21:34:02   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricko wrote:
Perma- If the average person has a deductible of 2K, how many do you think will be able to use their plan for normal care ? Some have reported deductibles of up to 14K. OK lets consider the people you are talking about with a deductible of 4.5K . Their plan is basically useless unless they incur medical costs of over 4.5K in one year. So what they really have is a catastrophic plan for which they are paying a very high premium unless they qualify for a subsidy. Were you aware that hidden in the plan are over 40billion in new taxes ? Some of these will take effect in 2017 along with premium increases so someone will get hurt unless this is replaced. I agree that merely changing the name will not do the trick and it is not as simple as one would believe. The main concern is that everybody who is now insured gets coverage. I understand that there are proposals being considered that will greatly reduce costs while providing adequate coverage. We shall see !!! Good Luck America!!!
Perma- If the average person has a deductible of... (show quote)





As an old guy, I do not have the first hand knowledge I should have..

One of those i mentioned is my niece and both she and her husband have medical issues.. What I should have asked her, she explained that the 4500 deductible was not paid b4 any benefits, but sort of prorated over charges as they came up.. I should have asked how that worked if the 4500 was not consumed. do the then have to pay a lump at the end of the year? they may not know, she has had a brain tumor, a pretty good car crash and some sort of arm surgery.. Kind of ongoing all the time.. Also the both have diabetes.. You would not know he does but she could be the poster person for the disease..

those Taxes, I once was told about some, when i searched those were not true.. but I do believe some manufacturing is or will be taxed..

But with this I see it as a done deal that the GOP will change it so I hope they do a good job..

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Jan 18, 2017 21:45:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
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And Santa was seen in his sleigh coming in for a landing on The White House greens too.. Superman was quoted as saying" look it's a bird, it's a plane, sorry I can't attend, your such a pain..The Easter Bunny is too busy burying all that terrorist information BO had set aside, and the Turkey is just trying to find where he's suppose to be on Friday.

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Jan 18, 2017 22:18:54   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
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These are the same polls that told you that the Clinton Pig would win.

In some polls she was given an 80% chance to win.

Not one single poll favored Trump.

Are you that naive permaschtoop ?

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Jan 18, 2017 22:45:27   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that d... (show quote)




Well.......you just go ahead and buy you one of them thar obammy commemorative collector plates for your collection............he will be history in short order, bad history.

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Jan 18, 2017 22:49:10   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
And Santa was seen in his sleigh coming in for a landing on The White House greens too.. Superman was quoted as saying" look it's a bird, it's a plane, sorry I can't attend, your such a pain..The Easter Bunny is too busy burying all that terrorist information BO had set aside, and the Turkey is just trying to find where he's suppose to be on Friday.





Lets leave the little easter bunny out of this................he didn't see nothing

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Jan 18, 2017 23:17:20   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
permafrost wrote:
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that do not match what we believe..

With that in mind I would like to direct your attention to these short and handy bit of information...

As President Barack Obama leaves the White House, both he and his signature domestic policy achievement have higher marks than the man and plan that are about to replace them.

President Obama will have a 58 percent favorability rating as he exits office, according to a Gallup poll conducted two weeks ago and released Monday. By contrast, George W. Bush’s presidency ended with a 40 percent favorability rating, Bill Clinton left with a 57 percent favorability rating and George H. W. Bush left with a 62 percent favorability rating.

Just as notably, a poll released by NBC News/Wall Street Journal on Tuesday found that 45 percent of Americans believe the Affordable Care Act is a good law — the highest percentage ever received for the law in that survey. Only 41 percent said it was a bad idea, the first time that the pro camp outweighed the con camp on this issue. Exactly half of the respondents said that they have little to no confidence that Republican replacement proposals will make things better. Half of those surveyed also said the ACA is either working well (6 percent) or only needs minor modifications (44 percent), while 49 percent believe it needs either a major overhaul (33 percent) or should be repealed altogether (16 percent).
We all seem to have a hissy fit about polls that d... (show quote)


This proves conclusively that selective polling, conducted among supporters and sycophants, will always produce favorable outcomes. Try polling some of the coal producing states or away from the metropolitan areas and see what the numbers look like. Try the areas overloaded with child rapist Somalians, maybe they will have a different opinion.

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