Ruling by the minority: It is a first in these United States.. We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters.. While this was also true of the last...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

Should any one encorage cooperation between indiveduals with this unwelcomn development? As the republicans refused for 8 years to anything other the obstruct the work of a twice elected President who won both the electoral and the popular vote by a strong margerine..

Would we not be justified to follow the example of the GOP/right wing and return the same in kind?

This is about 1/3 of an article which addresses this issue and I would like those with some interest to study it with an open mind..

Yes, it is from Salon and the balance can be found on line today..

In terms of his political legitimacy, however, Trump is on shakier ground — partly because this is a vaguer concept, but mostly because a president’s perceived legitimacy stems from a couple of different sources.

For one, political legitimacy comes from opposing lawmakers recognizing it and from that same group’s treating this recognition as one of the unwritten political norms that has long kept our democracy functioning. Republicans in particular have tossed this norm right out the window over the last eight years by adopting a scorched-earth tactic of opposition to President Obama at every turn. They winked at and even encouraged the increasing hostility and nihilism of the Republican base and adopted those attitudes in their roles as legislators. In the final act of violence toward governing norms, they let the country’s most well-known proponent of birtherism, the ultimate in racist delegitimization of Obama, take over their party and helped his election as president.

Trump’s political legitimacy is also at issue due to his enormous deficit in the popular vote. Even if that vote does not count in terms of deciding the winner, the wide gap between its results and those of the Electoral College should make clear — and would do so, were Trump not a malignant narcissist — that our incoming government represents a minority of Americans and is therefore contrary to the spirit of democracy we are being asked to celebrate next weekend during Trump’s inauguration.

As long as Trump and his party refuse to recognize this glaring aspect of his victory, as long as they try to erase it from the election’s narrative by calling Trump’s victory a historic landslide or ascribing Clinton’s popular vote margin entirely to alleged fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, partisans on the left have no reason to work with the GOP on any legislative initiatives. They have no reason to give Trump’s presidency the political legitimacy he craves, and which Republicans denied Obama for eight years, despite his obvious and overwhelming victories in both the popular and electoral votes in two successive elections.

The GOP at large will not care about this question of legitimacy. (The last Republican president, let’s remember, was also elected under dubious circumstances, after losing the popular vote.) But Trump and his fragile ego will care about it very much. Which makes it a powerful weapon in fighting him and his hard-right agenda for the next four years.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

permafrost wrote:

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

Should any one encorage cooperation between indiveduals with this unwelcomn development? As the republicans refused for 8 years to anything other the obstruct the work of a twice elected President who won both the electoral and the popular vote by a strong margerine..

Would we not be justified to follow the example of the GOP/right wing and return the same in kind?

This is about 1/3 of an article which addresses this issue and I would like those with some interest to study it with an open mind..

Yes, it is from Salon and the balance can be found on line today..

In terms of his political legitimacy, however, Trump is on shakier ground — partly because this is a vaguer concept, but mostly because a president’s perceived legitimacy stems from a couple of different sources.

For one, political legitimacy comes from opposing lawmakers recognizing it and from that same group’s treating this recognition as one of the unwritten political norms that has long kept our democracy functioning. Republicans in particular have tossed this norm right out the window over the last eight years by adopting a scorched-earth tactic of opposition to President Obama at every turn. They winked at and even encouraged the increasing hostility and nihilism of the Republican base and adopted those attitudes in their roles as legislators. In the final act of violence toward governing norms, they let the country’s most well-known proponent of birtherism, the ultimate in racist delegitimization of Obama, take over their party and helped his election as president.

Trump’s political legitimacy is also at issue due to his enormous deficit in the popular vote. Even if that vote does not count in terms of deciding the winner, the wide gap between its results and those of the Electoral College should make clear — and would do so, were Trump not a malignant narcissist — that our incoming government represents a minority of Americans and is therefore contrary to the spirit of democracy we are being asked to celebrate next weekend during Trump’s inauguration.

As long as Trump and his party refuse to recognize this glaring aspect of his victory, as long as they try to erase it from the election’s narrative by calling Trump’s victory a historic landslide or ascribing Clinton’s popular vote margin entirely to alleged fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, partisans on the left have no reason to work with the GOP on any legislative initiatives. They have no reason to give Trump’s presidency the political legitimacy he craves, and which Republicans denied Obama for eight years, despite his obvious and overwhelming victories in both the popular and electoral votes in two successive elections.

The GOP at large will not care about this question of legitimacy. (The last Republican president, let’s remember, was also elected under dubious circumstances, after losing the popular vote.) But Trump and his fragile ego will care about it very much. Which makes it a powerful weapon in fighting him and his hard-right agenda for the next four years.

It is a first in these United States.. br br We w... (show quote)

Sorry Permi. Didn't bother to read your article. Just the topic post.
Isn't that what the fags have pretty much done to us?

kenjay Loc: Arkansas

permafrost wrote:

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

Should any one encorage cooperation between indiveduals with this unwelcomn development? As the republicans refused for 8 years to anything other the obstruct the work of a twice elected President who won both the electoral and the popular vote by a strong margerine..

Would we not be justified to follow the example of the GOP/right wing and return the same in kind?

This is about 1/3 of an article which addresses this issue and I would like those with some interest to study it with an open mind..

Yes, it is from Salon and the balance can be found on line today..

In terms of his political legitimacy, however, Trump is on shakier ground — partly because this is a vaguer concept, but mostly because a president’s perceived legitimacy stems from a couple of different sources.

For one, political legitimacy comes from opposing lawmakers recognizing it and from that same group’s treating this recognition as one of the unwritten political norms that has long kept our democracy functioning. Republicans in particular have tossed this norm right out the window over the last eight years by adopting a scorched-earth tactic of opposition to President Obama at every turn. They winked at and even encouraged the increasing hostility and nihilism of the Republican base and adopted those attitudes in their roles as legislators. In the final act of violence toward governing norms, they let the country’s most well-known proponent of birtherism, the ultimate in racist delegitimization of Obama, take over their party and helped his election as president.

Trump’s political legitimacy is also at issue due to his enormous deficit in the popular vote. Even if that vote does not count in terms of deciding the winner, the wide gap between its results and those of the Electoral College should make clear — and would do so, were Trump not a malignant narcissist — that our incoming government represents a minority of Americans and is therefore contrary to the spirit of democracy we are being asked to celebrate next weekend during Trump’s inauguration.

As long as Trump and his party refuse to recognize this glaring aspect of his victory, as long as they try to erase it from the election’s narrative by calling Trump’s victory a historic landslide or ascribing Clinton’s popular vote margin entirely to alleged fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, partisans on the left have no reason to work with the GOP on any legislative initiatives. They have no reason to give Trump’s presidency the political legitimacy he craves, and which Republicans denied Obama for eight years, despite his obvious and overwhelming victories in both the popular and electoral votes in two successive elections.

The GOP at large will not care about this question of legitimacy. (The last Republican president, let’s remember, was also elected under dubious circumstances, after losing the popular vote.) But Trump and his fragile ego will care about it very much. Which makes it a powerful weapon in fighting him and his hard-right agenda for the next four years.

It is a first in these United States.. br br We w... (show quote)

Then maybe the the republicans should take a page out of the democrat play book and make the nuclear option the rule on everything and let the democrats pound sand Frosty. How does that sound to you sounds good to me.

rebob14

permafrost wrote:

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

Should any one encorage cooperation between indiveduals with this unwelcomn development? As the republicans refused for 8 years to anything other the obstruct the work of a twice elected President who won both the electoral and the popular vote by a strong margerine..

Would we not be justified to follow the example of the GOP/right wing and return the same in kind?

This is about 1/3 of an article which addresses this issue and I would like those with some interest to study it with an open mind..

Yes, it is from Salon and the balance can be found on line today..

In terms of his political legitimacy, however, Trump is on shakier ground — partly because this is a vaguer concept, but mostly because a president’s perceived legitimacy stems from a couple of different sources.

For one, political legitimacy comes from opposing lawmakers recognizing it and from that same group’s treating this recognition as one of the unwritten political norms that has long kept our democracy functioning. Republicans in particular have tossed this norm right out the window over the last eight years by adopting a scorched-earth tactic of opposition to President Obama at every turn. They winked at and even encouraged the increasing hostility and nihilism of the Republican base and adopted those attitudes in their roles as legislators. In the final act of violence toward governing norms, they let the country’s most well-known proponent of birtherism, the ultimate in racist delegitimization of Obama, take over their party and helped his election as president.

Trump’s political legitimacy is also at issue due to his enormous deficit in the popular vote. Even if that vote does not count in terms of deciding the winner, the wide gap between its results and those of the Electoral College should make clear — and would do so, were Trump not a malignant narcissist — that our incoming government represents a minority of Americans and is therefore contrary to the spirit of democracy we are being asked to celebrate next weekend during Trump’s inauguration.

As long as Trump and his party refuse to recognize this glaring aspect of his victory, as long as they try to erase it from the election’s narrative by calling Trump’s victory a historic landslide or ascribing Clinton’s popular vote margin entirely to alleged fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, partisans on the left have no reason to work with the GOP on any legislative initiatives. They have no reason to give Trump’s presidency the political legitimacy he craves, and which Republicans denied Obama for eight years, despite his obvious and overwhelming victories in both the popular and electoral votes in two successive elections.

The GOP at large will not care about this question of legitimacy. (The last Republican president, let’s remember, was also elected under dubious circumstances, after losing the popular vote.) But Trump and his fragile ego will care about it very much. Which makes it a powerful weapon in fighting him and his hard-right agenda for the next four years.

It is a first in these United States.. br br We w... (show quote)

Now I get it...........we just need more strong margarine

buffalo Loc: Texas

rebob14 wrote:

Now I get it...........we just need more strong margarine

I use only real butter....

The Electoral College does factor the population differences into the equation; California awards 55 electoral votes. Wyoming awards 3. Wyoming is not a swing state. However, states with low vote totals are, and thus get some attention from candidates who would otherwise be parked in California and New York for much of the election, ignoring the rest of the country (if elections were determined by popular vote).

Remove all the illegals that voted in California and Trump would have won the popular vote also.

He got the majority of Electoral College votes legitimately. So, get over your butthurt frosty! And learn to spell!

Better that continuing to be ruled by moonbats:

F.D.R.

You're right about being ruled by the minority but that has nothing to do with Trump or the Republican party. It has everything to do with the Democrats, Progressives, Liberals or whatever name you choose to apply. They have split the country into numerous special interest minority groups each focused on their own particular cause and each allowed to exert an undo influence on the majority of Americans. We are supposed to change the things that have made America the great country it is in order that they can be 'happy'. It's always been called 'Live and let Live' we do not impose our will upon you, you can refuse to recite the Pledge, sit for the Anthem, refuse to pray. You can marry the man or woman of your choice. Our Constitution grants you the right to pursue happiness, it does not guarantee happiness.

Loki Loc: Georgia

permafrost wrote:

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

Should any one encorage cooperation between indiveduals with this unwelcomn development? As the republicans refused for 8 years to anything other the obstruct the work of a twice elected President who won both the electoral and the popular vote by a strong margerine..

Would we not be justified to follow the example of the GOP/right wing and return the same in kind?

This is about 1/3 of an article which addresses this issue and I would like those with some interest to study it with an open mind..

Yes, it is from Salon and the balance can be found on line today..

In terms of his political legitimacy, however, Trump is on shakier ground — partly because this is a vaguer concept, but mostly because a president’s perceived legitimacy stems from a couple of different sources.

For one, political legitimacy comes from opposing lawmakers recognizing it and from that same group’s treating this recognition as one of the unwritten political norms that has long kept our democracy functioning. Republicans in particular have tossed this norm right out the window over the last eight years by adopting a scorched-earth tactic of opposition to President Obama at every turn. They winked at and even encouraged the increasing hostility and nihilism of the Republican base and adopted those attitudes in their roles as legislators. In the final act of violence toward governing norms, they let the country’s most well-known proponent of birtherism, the ultimate in racist delegitimization of Obama, take over their party and helped his election as president.

Trump’s political legitimacy is also at issue due to his enormous deficit in the popular vote. Even if that vote does not count in terms of deciding the winner, the wide gap between its results and those of the Electoral College should make clear — and would do so, were Trump not a malignant narcissist — that our incoming government represents a minority of Americans and is therefore contrary to the spirit of democracy we are being asked to celebrate next weekend during Trump’s inauguration.

As long as Trump and his party refuse to recognize this glaring aspect of his victory, as long as they try to erase it from the election’s narrative by calling Trump’s victory a historic landslide or ascribing Clinton’s popular vote margin entirely to alleged fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, partisans on the left have no reason to work with the GOP on any legislative initiatives. They have no reason to give Trump’s presidency the political legitimacy he craves, and which Republicans denied Obama for eight years, despite his obvious and overwhelming victories in both the popular and electoral votes in two successive elections.

The GOP at large will not care about this question of legitimacy. (The last Republican president, let’s remember, was also elected under dubious circumstances, after losing the popular vote.) But Trump and his fragile ego will care about it very much. Which makes it a powerful weapon in fighting him and his hard-right agenda for the next four years.

It is a first in these United States.. br br We w... (show quote)

If you don't like the Electoral College, you have a number of options, which I have listed previously...
1). Move somewhere that has elections more to your liking.
2). Begin the process of amending the Constitution. (It's somewhat lengthy and involved, if you choose this option, you'd best get cracking.)
3). Continue to bitch impotently and redundantly
4). Die.

Might I remind you that Hillary's margin of victory in the popular vote was about one percent; or that Trump was winning the popular vote also until California was counted, and that even with California's 55 electoral votes added to Hillary's total, she still lost the Electoral College?
May I also remind you that the Electoral College has served this country well since 1789. The only time Liberals ever bitch is when their candidate loses.

Ricko Loc: Florida

Loki wrote:

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Loki-Do not dazzle them with facts. It is more than their faint little hearts can bear. lol Good Luck America !!!

grace scott

archie bunker wrote:

Sorry Permi. Didn't bother to read your article. Just the topic post.
Isn't that what the fags have pretty much done to us?

You really should read it, Archie. I contains facts. Even though I voted for Trump (yeah, I'm a democrat, sue me), we can't deny history.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

It is a first in these United States..

We will now be ruled by an adminestration brought to power by a minority of voters..

While this was also true of the last Republican President the numbers of this election are beyond the pale...

How can it be a 'first' if it has happened before? In fact, 4 times before:

"Four presidents took office without winning the popular vote. In other words, they did not receive a plurality in terms of the popular vote. They were elected, instead, by the electoral college or in the case of John Quincy Adams by the House of Representatives after a tie in the electoral votes. They were:

John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election."

...And PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP makes five.

Want more?

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/f/pres_unpopular.htm

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Larry the Legend wrote:

How can it be a 'first' if it has happened before?... (show quote)

Do not forget Abe Lincoln....

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

Do not forget Abe Lincoln....

Indeed, Lincoln was even less popular than Trump!:

Abraham Lincoln 39.8%
John C. Breckinridge 18.1%
John Bell 12.6%
Stephen A. Douglas 29.5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Larry the Legend wrote:

Indeed, Lincoln was even less popular than Trump!:

Abraham Lincoln 39.8%
John C. Breckinridge 18.1%
John Bell 12.6%
Stephen A. Douglas 29.5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

I`ll be darned....