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Jan 10, 2017 20:51:04   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Another 79 percent of voters approve of children being included on their parents' plans until age 26. The rest of it, well, not so much:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12295/poll-how-many-americans-want-obamacare-dead-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=011017-news&utm_campaign=position2

On the question of repeal, even Democrats agree to get rid of it, 48 percent to 43 percent.

Speaking of pre-existing conditions, while Obamacare is supposed to offer coverage, as TIME highlights, that is, in reality, yet another broken promise:

"As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County [AZ]—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody." They simply threw their hands up and walked away.

And it doesn't end there:

"If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan

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Jan 10, 2017 20:53:11   #
Ve'hoe
 
Everything the leftists are screeching are just lies,,,,,,,

Larry the Legend wrote:
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Another 79 percent of voters approve of children being included on their parents' plans until age 26. The rest of it, well, not so much:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12295/poll-how-many-americans-want-obamacare-dead-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=011017-news&utm_campaign=position2

On the question of repeal, even Democrats agree to get rid of it, 48 percent to 43 percent.

Speaking of pre-existing conditions, while Obamacare is supposed to offer coverage, as TIME highlights, that is, in reality, yet another broken promise:

"As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County [AZ]—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody." They simply threw their hands up and walked away.

And it doesn't end there:

"If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover p... (show quote)

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Jan 10, 2017 20:53:15   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
And in another poll, the Hill notes another finding: The Democrats "Make Americans Sick Again" slogan is a bomb, only 32 percent saying it was an accurate description of the Republicans' repeal efforts.

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Jan 10, 2017 21:51:04   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Liberals should just go ahead and change their name...to LIARS!

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Jan 10, 2017 23:20:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I'm not sure what Obamacare is. It sure ain't insurance. If you can force a company to insure an incident after the fact it's technically not insurance.
Larry the Legend wrote:
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Another 79 percent of voters approve of children being included on their parents' plans until age 26. The rest of it, well, not so much:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12295/poll-how-many-americans-want-obamacare-dead-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=011017-news&utm_campaign=position2

On the question of repeal, even Democrats agree to get rid of it, 48 percent to 43 percent.

Speaking of pre-existing conditions, while Obamacare is supposed to offer coverage, as TIME highlights, that is, in reality, yet another broken promise:

"As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County [AZ]—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody." They simply threw their hands up and walked away.

And it doesn't end there:

"If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover p... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2017 00:46:59   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
I was reading somethiong from twitchy whatever this morning and appearnatly one of schumers staff accidently wrote"DONT MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" prior to the dont make America sick again. The original was immediately taken down and corrected to what the progressive slugs are now hash tagging. How interesting. Fruedian slip ar just plain ole wishfull thinking.HMMM.

Semper Fi



Larry the Legend wrote:
And in another poll, the Hill notes another finding: The Democrats "Make Americans Sick Again" slogan is a bomb, only 32 percent saying it was an accurate description of the Republicans' repeal efforts.

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Jan 11, 2017 07:22:48   #
Ve'hoe
 
Its a TAX,,,, period,,,, I sold three homes,,,,, and lost 60K in equity to capital gains,, ala ACA act

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Jan 11, 2017 09:38:47   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Most of the people defending this dumbass law don't ever see that side of it. They get theirs' virtually free. Haven't received a thank you from anyone for the outrageous amount of taxes I pay yet. Like our progressive tax this law is a redistribution tax period. You nailed it.
Ve'hoe wrote:
Its a TAX,,,, period,,,, I sold three homes,,,,, and lost 60K in equity to capital gains,, ala ACA act

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Jan 11, 2017 09:50:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JFlorio wrote:
I'm not sure what Obamacare is. It sure ain't insurance. If you can force a company to insure an incident after the fact it's technically not insurance.


It was a scam job to appease his narcissistic need for greatness in one of the worst piece of legislation put through under a tax bill so they could even get it through...

Insurers will have a hell of a mess all over again trying to work with the Trump team in getting it straighten out...If he goes with allowing coverage to be written across state lines it will help keep it competitive on premiums...

I understand his people are looking at a plan similar in nature to Medicare for preexisting conditions or catastrophic illness... Have you read on this yet??

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Jan 11, 2017 10:46:38   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
A little bit. They are talking about forming high risk pools for the people with pre-existing conditions and /or the poor. Medicaid will still pay the bills for the majority of the people covered that weren't covered before. Unfortunately (In my opinion) when health care became a right, then everyone "deserves" it. This gives the government the right to take my money and force me to pay for someone else's care. No matter how irresponsible that person is with their own health. What's next? Everyone deserves a nice house, car, bank account? I believe this group think in Washington threatens our Republic. Just because something is called a tax doesn't mean it isn't institutional thievery.
lindajoy wrote:
It was a scam job to appease his narcissistic need for greatness in one of the worst piece of legislation put through under a tax bill so they could even get it through...

Insurers will have a hell of a mess all over again trying to work with the Trump team in getting it straighten out...If he goes with allowing coverage to be written across state lines it will help keep it competitive on premiums...

I understand his people are looking at a plan similar in nature to Medicare for preexisting conditions or catastrophic illness... Have you read on this yet??
It was a scam job to appease his narcissistic need... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2017 11:11:34   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JFlorio wrote:
A little bit. They are talking about forming high risk pools for the people with pre-existing conditions and /or the poor. Medicaid will still pay the bills for the majority of the people covered that weren't covered before. Unfortunately (In my opinion) when health care became a right, then everyone "deserves" it. This gives the government the right to take my money and force me to pay for someone else's care. No matter how irresponsible that person is with their own health. What's next? Everyone deserves a nice house, car, bank account? I believe this group think in Washington threatens our Republic. Just because something is called a tax doesn't mean it isn't institutional thievery.
A little bit. They are talking about forming high ... (show quote)


I heard the same on the high risk pools with government subsidizing to off set the "nominal additional premium, if any for it...

Medicaid recipients stayed pretty much the same even with BOcare and won't change regardless of what they do..BO cap was needed income of 11k and Medicaid was if you made more than 6k you didn't qualify...I know because I was involved in a case where the mother of two, covered under no child left behind, could not get insurance since she worked part time making $8200 annually, yet that was not considered poverty level..

Long and the short of it she cut back her hours working to make less than 6k so she would have coverage and not get hit on taxes later..Of course that was after a required medical emergency requiring surgery and 14k bill after it...

Guess who pays?? You and I of course..

Do you like the free trade position Trump supports?? I do..

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Jan 11, 2017 11:30:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Much of it. I believe strong arming American companies to stay in the US when their fiduciary responsibility by law to their share holders could be dangerous. I am for fair trade. If China puts a 25% tariff on a good then we should reciprocate. If they manipulate their currency we need to make up for that with trade sanctions. If car companies are leaving solve why they are leaving. Labor is not always the most onerous cost in doing business. Reduce expensive regulations that just raise costs and make some group feel better about themselves when in actuality the regulation accomplishes nothing. Reduce our corporate tax for companies staying here. Mostly government should get out of the way.
lindajoy wrote:
I heard the same on the high risk pools with government subsidizing to off set the "nominal additional premium, if any for it...

Medicaid recipients stayed pretty much the same even with BOcare and won't change regardless of what they do..BO cap was needed income of 11k and Medicaid was if you made more than 6k you didn't qualify...I know because I was involved in a case where the mother of two, covered under no child left behind, could not get insurance since she worked part time making $8200 annually, yet that was not considered poverty level..

Long and the short of it she cut back her hours working to make less than 6k so she would have coverage and not get hit on taxes later..Of course that was after a required medical emergency requiring surgery and 14k bill after it...

Guess who pays?? You and I of course..

Do you like the free trade position Trump supports?? I do..
I heard the same on the high risk pools with gover... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2017 11:45:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Another 79 percent of voters approve of children being included on their parents' plans until age 26. The rest of it, well, not so much:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12295/poll-how-many-americans-want-obamacare-dead-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=011017-news&utm_campaign=position2

On the question of repeal, even Democrats agree to get rid of it, 48 percent to 43 percent.

Speaking of pre-existing conditions, while Obamacare is supposed to offer coverage, as TIME highlights, that is, in reality, yet another broken promise:

"As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County [AZ]—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody." They simply threw their hands up and walked away.

And it doesn't end there:

"If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover p... (show quote)


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92% approval rating they say~~yet here are the facts.....

Post Election Analysis -
Hillary President of California. Interesting AD

Excellent analysis but I doubt if it will be discussed in the media.

A short and informative read.
Our fore-fathers were brilliant !


We hear a cacophony of blaring and bleating from the media and the Hillary gaggle
that she won the popular vote and therefore she should be president,
60,839,497 to 60,265,847. 47.8% to 47,3%
with the remaining 4.9% going to the other candidates.

But here are the facts:

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC.
62% to her 38%.

Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California 5,860,714 to Trump’s 3,151,821.
61.6% to 33.1% exclusive of the other candidates.

Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states
as claimed by the Democrats and their media stooges.

But deduct her California vote from her national vote
leaving her with 54,978,783,
and deduct Trump’s California vote from his national total,
leaving him with 57,113.976,
he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%.

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California
and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College,
to prevent the vote of any one populace
state from overriding the vote of the others.
Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway,
whose expertise is polling, saw this early on and devised
her strategy of “6 pathways to the White House”.

This meant ignoring California with its huge Democrat majority and
going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes
to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.

At its lowest point since the civil war !
Could this mean the end of the Democrat Party ?
When the afternoon of January 20, 2017 arrives,
the Republican Party will have :

1) The Presidency.
2) A majority of the House of Representatives.
3) A majority of the Senate.
4) Almost two-thirds of all the governorships.
5) Total control of the statehouses in almost two-thirds of all the states.
And in the near future, Republicans will be able to add :
6) A majority of the Supreme Court.

The above has NEVER happened before in American history.
Think about that and let it sink in for a moment…
And it's all because of one reason :

92% Approval rating, that brought this kind of a shellacking...How sweet of them to lie yet again...

Barack Obama's forcing his extreme far-left agenda
on an unwilling country by executive orders,
left wing judges, and obsequious bureaucrats.

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Jan 11, 2017 12:03:35   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
JFlorio wrote:
I'm not sure what Obamacare is. It sure ain't insurance. If you can force a company to insure an incident after the fact it's technically not insurance.


Absolutely, 100%, cast iron, without a shadow of a doubt, correct! Insurance protects against future misfortune, not past liabilities. Discharging a past liability is called debt payment. I thought I just heard a bunch of lawyers blow a gasket over that last statement so let's clarify:

If I have health insurance, that I pay into every month, and I have an accident, my insurance company will pay a portion of my expenses as laid out in the insurance contract. The same is true if I should contract some illness or malady and require medical attention. If I go the entire contract period without a mishap, the insurance company keeps the premiums I have paid as reward for assuming the risks. On the other hand, if I should be afflicted with an ongoing or incurable condition, the insurance company will still continue to pay out per the insurance contract. This could be many times the premiums collected from me and thus relieves the financial burden. Pooled resources, reduced risk consequences. So far so good.

Let's say that I contract an incurable disease that is properly managed by expensive medications and therapies on a monthly basis. If I have a limit on my insurance payout written into my contract (a common situation), my insurance company will terminate my contract when this limit is reached. Once this happens, I find myself without insurance to pay for my medications and therapies and possibly no ability to earn these funds. If I try to contract with another healthcare insurer, they will be appraised of my now preexisting condition (they have their ways), and the price of insuring me will start at the cost of my ongoing treatments, plus profits, and be added to from there. From a contracting standpoint, this is perfectly reasonable because the new company did not assume the risks associated with my preexisting condition and therefore are not required to make payments in restoration. Except under the Affordable Care Act.

This law has the effect of forcing insurers to write policies allowing for preexisting conditions that are not financed by those insured. The resulting losses being suffered by healthcare insurers is staggering. Even after increasing premiums, sometimes over many multiples of the original pricing, health insurers are still unable to financially service the industry under the restrictions imposed. The results of this have been skyrocketing premiums and providers leaving some markets due to the inability to cover costs at the required premium payments.

You're right. It is not 'insurance'. It is a blatant attempt to 'socialize' healthcare by forcing the healthy to pay for the care of the less healthy. For a primer on how this ends, just ask any Brit about the National Health Service.

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Jan 11, 2017 21:22:30   #
Radiance3
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Another 79 percent of voters approve of children being included on their parents' plans until age 26. The rest of it, well, not so much:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12295/poll-how-many-americans-want-obamacare-dead-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=011017-news&utm_campaign=position2

On the question of repeal, even Democrats agree to get rid of it, 48 percent to 43 percent.

Speaking of pre-existing conditions, while Obamacare is supposed to offer coverage, as TIME highlights, that is, in reality, yet another broken promise:

"As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County [AZ]—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody." They simply threw their hands up and walked away.

And it doesn't end there:

"If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan
...But only the part requiring insurers to cover p... (show quote)

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