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Number of Killings By Police Doubles...
Dec 22, 2016 10:42:53   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Counting Them

Now, if they'd just count them ALL, we'd have a solid starting point.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/21/number-of-killings-by-police-doubles-bec

The "Arrested Related Death (ARD) [sic]" program "reviews open information sources, including news outlets and official agency documents, to identify potential arrest-related deaths". (Yep, you read that right, "'potential' arrest-related deaths", not even 'actual'.) Can police agencies nationwide not be trusted to report their own killings for statistical records? If not, why not? "Arrest-Related Death". Dying should be the last thing you worry about when encountering a law enforcement officer; "To protect and serve", and all that. Unfortunately, it happens about 3 times a day, and that's according to the 'official' numbers, garnered from newspaper reports, no less. Maybe the reports being used to generate these egregiously high numbers are all 'fake news' designed to scare us... Well, I don't feel very 'protected' knowing that, in the presence of such heavily-armed law enforcement officers, should I make a move that they don't like, or possibly 'feel' threatened by, I might be killed or seriously wounded, because 'qualified immunity', you know:

"Qualified immunity is a doctrine in U.S. federal law that arises in cases brought against state officials under 42 U.S.C Section 1983 and against federal officials under Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971). Qualified immunity, when applicable, shields government officials from liability, unless their actions are found to violate an individual's federal constitutional rights." Nice. Apparently there is no constitutional right to 'life'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

Given the known numbers (the real numbers are assuredly much higher), is it any wonder that certain individuals are targeting police officers sitting at traffic lights and such? If I was a cop, I'd be nervous too.

http://abc13.com/news/las-vegas-officer-shot-while-stopped-at-traffic-light/972559/

I couldn't be a cop. Not that law enforcement is against any personal value or anything, just that I wouldn't last very long. I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc.. That wouldn't fly with the higher-ups in law enforcement. I'd be looking for work in a month. No, I really couldn't be a cop.

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Dec 22, 2016 10:46:42   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Counting Them

Now, if they'd just count them ALL, we'd have a solid starting point.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/21/number-of-killings-by-police-doubles-bec

The "Arrested Related Death (ARD) [sic]" program "reviews open information sources, including news outlets and official agency documents, to identify potential arrest-related deaths". (Yep, you read that right, "'potential' arrest-related deaths", not even 'actual'.) Can police agencies nationwide not be trusted to report their own killings for statistical records? If not, why not? "Arrest-Related Death". Dying should be the last thing you worry about when encountering a law enforcement officer; "To protect and serve", and all that. Unfortunately, it happens about 3 times a day, and that's according to the 'official' numbers, garnered from newspaper reports, no less. Maybe the reports being used to generate these egregiously high numbers are all 'fake news' designed to scare us... Well, I don't feel very 'protected' knowing that, in the presence of such heavily-armed law enforcement officers, should I make a move that they don't like, or possibly 'feel' threatened by, I might be killed or seriously wounded, because 'qualified immunity', you know:

"Qualified immunity is a doctrine in U.S. federal law that arises in cases brought against state officials under 42 U.S.C Section 1983 and against federal officials under Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971). Qualified immunity, when applicable, shields government officials from liability, unless their actions are found to violate an individual's federal constitutional rights." Nice. Apparently there is no constitutional right to 'life'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

Given the known numbers (the real numbers are assuredly much higher), is it any wonder that certain individuals are targeting police officers sitting at traffic lights and such? If I was a cop, I'd be nervous too.

http://abc13.com/news/las-vegas-officer-shot-while-stopped-at-traffic-light/972559/

I couldn't be a cop. Not that law enforcement is against any personal value or anything, just that I wouldn't last very long. I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc.. That wouldn't fly with the higher-ups in law enforcement. I'd be looking for work in a month. No, I really couldn't be a cop.
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Coun... (show quote)


I agree

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Dec 22, 2016 11:05:38   #
Rivers
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Counting Them

Now, if they'd just count them ALL, we'd have a solid starting point.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/21/number-of-killings-by-police-doubles-bec

The "Arrested Related Death (ARD) [sic]" program "reviews open information sources, including news outlets and official agency documents, to identify potential arrest-related deaths". (Yep, you read that right, "'potential' arrest-related deaths", not even 'actual'.) Can police agencies nationwide not be trusted to report their own killings for statistical records? If not, why not? "Arrest-Related Death". Dying should be the last thing you worry about when encountering a law enforcement officer; "To protect and serve", and all that. Unfortunately, it happens about 3 times a day, and that's according to the 'official' numbers, garnered from newspaper reports, no less. Maybe the reports being used to generate these egregiously high numbers are all 'fake news' designed to scare us... Well, I don't feel very 'protected' knowing that, in the presence of such heavily-armed law enforcement officers, should I make a move that they don't like, or possibly 'feel' threatened by, I might be killed or seriously wounded, because 'qualified immunity', you know:

"Qualified immunity is a doctrine in U.S. federal law that arises in cases brought against state officials under 42 U.S.C Section 1983 and against federal officials under Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971). Qualified immunity, when applicable, shields government officials from liability, unless their actions are found to violate an individual's federal constitutional rights." Nice. Apparently there is no constitutional right to 'life'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

Given the known numbers (the real numbers are assuredly much higher), is it any wonder that certain individuals are targeting police officers sitting at traffic lights and such? If I was a cop, I'd be nervous too.

http://abc13.com/news/las-vegas-officer-shot-while-stopped-at-traffic-light/972559/

I couldn't be a cop. Not that law enforcement is against any personal value or anything, just that I wouldn't last very long. I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc.. That wouldn't fly with the higher-ups in law enforcement. I'd be looking for work in a month. No, I really couldn't be a cop.
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Coun... (show quote)


You're so full of shit, and absolutely clueless about what cops do. I know a lot of cops, active and retired, and they would have a great laugh over your stupid post.

You couldn't be a cop because you would be a joke....not to mention probably in the morgue.

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Dec 22, 2016 11:22:40   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
[quote=Larry the Legend][I]n the presence of such heavily-armed law enforcement officers, should I make a move that they don't like, or possibly 'feel' threatened by, I might be killed or seriously wounded, because 'qualified immunity'[/quote]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article121930353.html

"Two-thirds were intentionally killed." Intentionally. On purpose. Killed. Two-thirds. Wow.

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Dec 22, 2016 11:24:01   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Rivers wrote:
...[P]robably in the morgue.


Death by cop, perhaps?

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Dec 22, 2016 11:29:07   #
Rivers
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Death by cop, perhaps?


No, death by stupidity. You don't have a clue what it takes to be a police officer.

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Dec 22, 2016 11:51:01   #
maureenthannon
 
I'm a lot more afraid of the race baiters(like the Obamas, Jesse Jackson, BLM,etc. than police or criminals). The professional race baiters do every thing they can to stir up violence and hatred of police and law abiding people and groups. They're so concerned about the" poor black folks" thatthey start riots in the minority neighborhoods that bring about so very much destruction of property and lives in the neighborhoods they claim to care so much about.

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Dec 22, 2016 12:30:04   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Rivers wrote:
No, death by stupidity. You don't have a clue what it takes to be a police officer.


I see. You certainly have a way of endearing people to your cause, don't you? My first ad-hominem attack of the day. Of the week, actually. And I was doing so well...

Anyway, what is it about my post that makes you assert that I "don't have a clue what it takes to be a police officer"? Hmm?

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Dec 24, 2016 00:42:13   #
Hogback
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Counting Them

Now, if they'd just count them ALL, we'd have a solid starting point.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/21/number-of-killings-by-police-doubles-bec

The "Arrested Related Death (ARD) [sic]" program "reviews open information sources, including news outlets and official agency documents, to identify potential arrest-related deaths". (Yep, you read that right, "'potential' arrest-related deaths", not even 'actual'.) Can police agencies nationwide not be trusted to report their own killings for statistical records? If not, why not? "Arrest-Related Death". Dying should be the last thing you worry about when encountering a law enforcement officer; "To protect and serve", and all that. Unfortunately, it happens about 3 times a day, and that's according to the 'official' numbers, garnered from newspaper reports, no less. Maybe the reports being used to generate these egregiously high numbers are all 'fake news' designed to scare us... Well, I don't feel very 'protected' knowing that, in the presence of such heavily-armed law enforcement officers, should I make a move that they don't like, or possibly 'feel' threatened by, I might be killed or seriously wounded, because 'qualified immunity', you know:

"Qualified immunity is a doctrine in U.S. federal law that arises in cases brought against state officials under 42 U.S.C Section 1983 and against federal officials under Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971). Qualified immunity, when applicable, shields government officials from liability, unless their actions are found to violate an individual's federal constitutional rights." Nice. Apparently there is no constitutional right to 'life'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

Given the known numbers (the real numbers are assuredly much higher), is it any wonder that certain individuals are targeting police officers sitting at traffic lights and such? If I was a cop, I'd be nervous too.

http://abc13.com/news/las-vegas-officer-shot-while-stopped-at-traffic-light/972559/

I couldn't be a cop. Not that law enforcement is against any personal value or anything, just that I wouldn't last very long. I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc.. That wouldn't fly with the higher-ups in law enforcement. I'd be looking for work in a month. No, I really couldn't be a cop.
... Because Feds Finally Put Some Effort Into Coun... (show quote)


So all the police do is fine people for small petty crimes?

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Dec 24, 2016 07:47:52   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Hogback wrote:
So all the police do is fine people for small petty crimes?


Where did I say that?

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Dec 24, 2016 15:56:42   #
Hogback
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Where did I say that?


This what you said:
I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc..

maybe I mis copied and pasted.

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Dec 24, 2016 16:31:15   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Hogback wrote:
This what you said:
I'd be out looking for 'real' criminals, not enforcing punitive 'victimless' crimes and harassing people for money because they fail to wear seat belts, etc..

maybe I mis copied and pasted.


I asked where I said that's 'all' they do. What you just quoted is my assertion of what I would be doing in their place. I didn't say they do, or don't do, anything. I have no 'inside' information on what it is that a cop occupies himself with all day (night). I have never spent a day in the life of a cop and honestly have very little interest in doing so. Seems to me you're assigning meanings and intentions to my words that are clearly not there. Please don't do that, it's not nice and has the potential to devolve into misunderstandings.

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