Wars and Rumors of Wars: “Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War”
Oct 15, 2016 23:37:11 #
These are some very serious allegations. Anyone know who this author is or the source group Russia-Insider is?
Wars and Rumors of Wars: “Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War”
Posted: 15 Oct 2016 07:35 PM PDT
“Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War”
by Eric Zuesse
“It’ll be at a time of our choosing,” says U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, on NBC’’s “Meet the Press,” to be aired on Sunday, October 16th. Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”
Of course, that “Hope not” could mean many things. It might mean: A blitz nuclear attack in line with our government’s belief that we now enjoy Nuclear Primacy (an idea that was first published by the Council on Foreign Relations in 2006, and which has never yet been renounced by the U.S. government, during the decade since). That would be very much a public response, which Biden would “hope not” to be ’necessary'. In other words: Biden might have meant, there: "I hope it won’t have to be that.” But, clearly, Biden isn’t wanting the public to understand anything, other than that President Obama has threatened President Putin, with something, and that it will be “proportionate,” and the excuse for it will be — if it will happen — that Putin had done something which Obama thinks caused Hillary Clinton to lose the election to Donald Trump.
Standing behind what Biden is saying there, is the belief that Putin does have in his possession some option that might “fundamentally alter the election.” This is clearly a threat that’s meant to deter Putin from doing something that Putin hasn’t yet done. Obama is telling Putin that either the winner will be the person he wants to be his successor, or else — or else what?
In other words: what Biden is saying, is that, if Trump wins this election, then there is going to be some sudden, unannounced, U.S. government response against Putin, and that only after it is over, will the U.S. government explain to the public why it did what it did.
But, of course, that assumes Americans will still be alive, even if Russians are not; and, so, if the “proportionate” response turns out to be a blitz nuclear attack against Russia, then anyone who is still alive will be wondering: what was it ‘proportionate’ to?
The United States is no longer — at least not in Syria — actually fighting the thing that Trump calls “extremist Islamic terrorism”: we are instead arming Al Qaeda in Syria to overthrow and replace Putin’s ally, Bashar al-Assad, there. All of the U.S. government’s talk against “ISIL” (the Sauds’ preferred acronym for “ISIS”) is mere distraction from the tens of thousands of other jihadist fighters from other jihadist groups that have also been imported by the U.S. and Saudi governments into Syria as Obama’s and the Sauds’ “boots on the ground” to overthrow Assad there.
The leadership now for all of those jihadist groups (except for ISIS itself) is, in fact, Al Qaeda in Syria, which has gone under the name “al-Nusra.” Nusra is supplying the leadership now to all the jihadist factions that have been sent into Syria; Nusra is the only jihadist group that possesses the long experience and training in jihad and military matters, which is needed in order to be able to overthrow Assad. Al Qaeda is now America’s essential ally, at doing what the U.S. government most wants to do: overthrow and replace Assad.
The U.S. is deadly serious about that intention, as can be seen here from the NBC News preview video of their interview with Biden, from which the above quotations are sourced. Looking at Biden’s face there, one can see that this is deadly serious. This isn’t about sexual aggression — either Donald Trump’s or Bill Clinton’s — it’s about the survival of civilization, or else nuclear war.
There have been many reports in the U.S. press saying that Obama has, ever since at least October 6th, been contemplating an all-out U.S. bombing campaign to bring down Assad. But that would mean war with Russia, which has been actively bombing Nusra and all the other jihadists in Syria.
Hillary Clinton is urging a “no-fly zone” in Syria, so that we can do to Assad what we did to another ally of Moscow, Muammar Gaddafi. However, when that was done to Gaddafi, Putin stood aside and wasn’t supplying military assistance to Gaddafi, which would have enabled Gaddafi to wipe out the fundamentalist Muslims who were trying to overthrow him. Russia is involved actively, this time, to prevent happening in Syria what happened in Libya. A no-fly zone in Syria would thus mean U.S. war against Russia.
These are tense times. Any escalation that the U.S. can do against Russia, can be met by an escalation that Russia can do against the United States. Consequently, whatever escalation Obama is now threatening against Putin, might be met by an escalation on the other side. Where will it stop, or would it even be able to stop?
Whatever escalation Obama might consider to be ‘proportionate’, could consequently end up ending the world as we know it — and not for the better. Hillary Clinton has threatened Putin with war; now Barack Obama has done likewise.
Whatever Biden’s assignment here actually was from Obama, one thing about it is clear: this President is determined that Hillary Clinton be his successor, and Obama will target anyone who gets in his way if he doesn’t get his way on this. And Obama wants the American public to know that this is how he feels about the matter.
This Biden-interview is really intended, in that sense, to be a threat aimed at America’s voters, telling them, telling each one of us: Vote for Hillary Clinton, or else! He’s not telling us what that “or else!” is going to be — and maybe he himself has no accurate idea of how far it will ultimately cycle and go. Ultimately, whatever he thinks it would be, might not turn out to be the last step in this cycle of escalation — unless it’s going to go directly to a blitz attack against Russia.
Obama is thus coercing us, before he coerces Putin. He’s telling us: If we vote against Hillary Clinton — if she loses this election — then President Obama has something in mind that we won’t like — and he won’t wait until the next President is inaugurated on 20 January 2017 to do it, whatever ‘it’ might be.
Obama here is threatening not only Vladimir Putin, but the American people. Even if Obama truly believes that he alone possesses all the power, he does not, unless he possesses the power to terrorize America’s voters to elect Hillary Clinton, even if we otherwise would not.”
- http://russia-insider.com/
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Wars and Rumors of Wars: “Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War”
Posted: 15 Oct 2016 07:35 PM PDT
“Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War”
by Eric Zuesse
“It’ll be at a time of our choosing,” says U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, on NBC’’s “Meet the Press,” to be aired on Sunday, October 16th. Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”
Of course, that “Hope not” could mean many things. It might mean: A blitz nuclear attack in line with our government’s belief that we now enjoy Nuclear Primacy (an idea that was first published by the Council on Foreign Relations in 2006, and which has never yet been renounced by the U.S. government, during the decade since). That would be very much a public response, which Biden would “hope not” to be ’necessary'. In other words: Biden might have meant, there: "I hope it won’t have to be that.” But, clearly, Biden isn’t wanting the public to understand anything, other than that President Obama has threatened President Putin, with something, and that it will be “proportionate,” and the excuse for it will be — if it will happen — that Putin had done something which Obama thinks caused Hillary Clinton to lose the election to Donald Trump.
Standing behind what Biden is saying there, is the belief that Putin does have in his possession some option that might “fundamentally alter the election.” This is clearly a threat that’s meant to deter Putin from doing something that Putin hasn’t yet done. Obama is telling Putin that either the winner will be the person he wants to be his successor, or else — or else what?
In other words: what Biden is saying, is that, if Trump wins this election, then there is going to be some sudden, unannounced, U.S. government response against Putin, and that only after it is over, will the U.S. government explain to the public why it did what it did.
But, of course, that assumes Americans will still be alive, even if Russians are not; and, so, if the “proportionate” response turns out to be a blitz nuclear attack against Russia, then anyone who is still alive will be wondering: what was it ‘proportionate’ to?
The United States is no longer — at least not in Syria — actually fighting the thing that Trump calls “extremist Islamic terrorism”: we are instead arming Al Qaeda in Syria to overthrow and replace Putin’s ally, Bashar al-Assad, there. All of the U.S. government’s talk against “ISIL” (the Sauds’ preferred acronym for “ISIS”) is mere distraction from the tens of thousands of other jihadist fighters from other jihadist groups that have also been imported by the U.S. and Saudi governments into Syria as Obama’s and the Sauds’ “boots on the ground” to overthrow Assad there.
The leadership now for all of those jihadist groups (except for ISIS itself) is, in fact, Al Qaeda in Syria, which has gone under the name “al-Nusra.” Nusra is supplying the leadership now to all the jihadist factions that have been sent into Syria; Nusra is the only jihadist group that possesses the long experience and training in jihad and military matters, which is needed in order to be able to overthrow Assad. Al Qaeda is now America’s essential ally, at doing what the U.S. government most wants to do: overthrow and replace Assad.
The U.S. is deadly serious about that intention, as can be seen here from the NBC News preview video of their interview with Biden, from which the above quotations are sourced. Looking at Biden’s face there, one can see that this is deadly serious. This isn’t about sexual aggression — either Donald Trump’s or Bill Clinton’s — it’s about the survival of civilization, or else nuclear war.
There have been many reports in the U.S. press saying that Obama has, ever since at least October 6th, been contemplating an all-out U.S. bombing campaign to bring down Assad. But that would mean war with Russia, which has been actively bombing Nusra and all the other jihadists in Syria.
Hillary Clinton is urging a “no-fly zone” in Syria, so that we can do to Assad what we did to another ally of Moscow, Muammar Gaddafi. However, when that was done to Gaddafi, Putin stood aside and wasn’t supplying military assistance to Gaddafi, which would have enabled Gaddafi to wipe out the fundamentalist Muslims who were trying to overthrow him. Russia is involved actively, this time, to prevent happening in Syria what happened in Libya. A no-fly zone in Syria would thus mean U.S. war against Russia.
These are tense times. Any escalation that the U.S. can do against Russia, can be met by an escalation that Russia can do against the United States. Consequently, whatever escalation Obama is now threatening against Putin, might be met by an escalation on the other side. Where will it stop, or would it even be able to stop?
Whatever escalation Obama might consider to be ‘proportionate’, could consequently end up ending the world as we know it — and not for the better. Hillary Clinton has threatened Putin with war; now Barack Obama has done likewise.
Whatever Biden’s assignment here actually was from Obama, one thing about it is clear: this President is determined that Hillary Clinton be his successor, and Obama will target anyone who gets in his way if he doesn’t get his way on this. And Obama wants the American public to know that this is how he feels about the matter.
This Biden-interview is really intended, in that sense, to be a threat aimed at America’s voters, telling them, telling each one of us: Vote for Hillary Clinton, or else! He’s not telling us what that “or else!” is going to be — and maybe he himself has no accurate idea of how far it will ultimately cycle and go. Ultimately, whatever he thinks it would be, might not turn out to be the last step in this cycle of escalation — unless it’s going to go directly to a blitz attack against Russia.
Obama is thus coercing us, before he coerces Putin. He’s telling us: If we vote against Hillary Clinton — if she loses this election — then President Obama has something in mind that we won’t like — and he won’t wait until the next President is inaugurated on 20 January 2017 to do it, whatever ‘it’ might be.
Obama here is threatening not only Vladimir Putin, but the American people. Even if Obama truly believes that he alone possesses all the power, he does not, unless he possesses the power to terrorize America’s voters to elect Hillary Clinton, even if we otherwise would not.”
- http://russia-insider.com/
◆
Related:
• “US Lights Fuse in Syria to World War III Countdown”
• "Obama Tells CIA To Prepare For Cyber War With Russia”
• "Russia Slams "Unprecedented, Insolent" US Cyber Threats, Vows Retaliation"
• "A Pretext Is Needed": A False Flag May Be Imminent To Drag U.S. Into War"
Oct 16, 2016 02:00:02 #
I don't think our Military will follow that order. It would be an order made by a crazy person. The world sees it why not Americans. Congress needs to act now to take his power away.
pafret wrote:
These are some very serious allegations. Anyone k... (show quote)
Oct 16, 2016 05:39:17 #
pafret wrote:
You must be a Russian propagandist, this isn't a threat by Biden to launch a nuclear attack, it is a clear announcement that the US will retaliate for the Russians cyber attacks. We will respond in kind, perhaps grounding their aircraft for a few days or mucking up their banking system. How do you thing Putin would fare if a bunch of his oligarchs had their money disappear? Putin is going to get a swift kick in the pants, and there are countless ways the US can do it without resorting to atomic bombs.These are some very serious allegations. Anyone k... (show quote)
Oct 16, 2016 07:39:06 #
Kevyn wrote:
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? Putin will be laughing, as the only thing this president has done to threaten anyone was to draw a line in the sand. Putin has aligned his country with Iran and has been doing alot of sabre rattling lately. I can't see this president doing anything, he is hoping that something happens before the election. So, Obama is saying, "nanny nanny boo boo, come and get me!" and declare Marshall Law.Swift kick in the pants
Oct 16, 2016 07:54:07 #
Mom8052 wrote:
? Putin will be laughing, as the only thing this president has done to threaten anyone was to draw a line in the sand. Putin has aligned his country with Iran and has been doing alot of sabre rattling lately. I can't see this president doing anything, he is hoping that something happens before the election. So, Obama is saying, "nanny nanny boo boo, come and get me!" and declare Marshall Law.
My thoughts also , obammy has made comments in the past about 3rd term with a sly grin on his mug , made executive orders and directives to set this up , has put (CAIR) muzzi brotherhood in very important positions .. We may have to overthrow this SOB ..
Oct 16, 2016 08:35:07 #
reconreb wrote:
My thoughts also , obammy has made comments in the past about 3rd term with a sly grin on his mug , made executive orders and directives to set this up , has put (CAIR) muzzi brotherhood in very important positions .. We may have to overthrow this SOB ..
Obama is only a puppet. Those who want Putin gone control our government from behind the curtain.
When Putin was elected, he purged many wealthy Jews from power in Russia.
Jews maintain a worldwide financial power which is all connected.
When powerful Jews in Russia are thrown out of power, the powerful Jews in the rest of the world come to their defense.
Unfortunately they drag us non-Jews into the wars they initiate for the advancement of Jewish power in the world.
Oct 16, 2016 08:44:15 #
pafret wrote:
These are some very serious allegations. Anyone k... (show quote)
BO is an ass and should be locked up until the election is over....His narcissism is in control of him, nothing more...He fumes in Putin making him the laughing stock of the world and that is what motivates him...Temper tantrum wimp, draws his lines in the sand and then runs and hides when crossed over...
Putin will not be outdone by He or hillary..One I suspect he detests more, but war will not come of this..Big talk by little people flexing their stupid mouths while the real movers and shakers of this world will never let it happen..
Oct 16, 2016 08:45:49 #
pafret, You got it all wrong. It was Putin's buddy that threatened nuclear war.
pafret wrote:
These are some very serious allegations. Anyone k... (show quote)
Oct 16, 2016 09:04:06 #
Mom8052 wrote:
I would bet Bin Laden has a slightly different opinion.? Putin will be laughing, as the only thing this president has done to threaten anyone was to draw a line in the sand. Putin has aligned his country with Iran and has been doing alot of sabre rattling lately. I can't see this president doing anything, he is hoping that something happens before the election. So, Obama is saying, "nanny nanny boo boo, come and get me!" and declare Marshall Law.
Oct 16, 2016 09:04:27 #
hprinze
Loc: Central Florida
Kevyn wrote:
You must be a Russian propagandist, this isn't a t... (show quote)
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I would be happy to swap Obama and Clinton for Putin,but the Russians would not allow it
Oct 16, 2016 09:26:33 #
hprinze, Are you a former KGB thug like Putin?
hprinze wrote:
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I would be happy to swap Obama and Clinton for Putin,but the Russians would not allow it
I would be happy to swap Obama and Clinton for Putin,but the Russians would not allow it
Oct 16, 2016 09:33:38 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
hprinze, Are you a former KGB thug like Putin?
Saltwind, do you hate Putin because he purged Russia of wealthy Jewish oligarchs?
Oct 16, 2016 09:36:50 #
Kevyn wrote:
I would bet Bin Laden has a slightly different opinion.
Bin Laden died in 2001.
His opinions died with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWK2uovheOs
Oct 16, 2016 10:07:43 #
Kevyn wrote:
I would bet Bin Laden has a slightly different opinion.
BO had not a thing to do with Bin Laden, the Seals and our military intelligence had everything to do I with it though...
Left to that man bin Laden would be running freely about the desserts!!
Oct 16, 2016 10:49:32 #
lindajoy wrote:
BO had not a thing to do with Bin Laden, the Seals and our military intelligence had everything to do I with it though...
Left to that man bin Laden would be running freely about the desserts!!
Left to that man bin Laden would be running freely about the desserts!!
The residents of Abbottabad say the old man the seals murdered was not Bin Laden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkqTH91PxJM
Bin Laden died in 2001.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html
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