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Aug 23, 2016 15:04:18   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
Here are some facts. So let them speak to whether we have a Christian Constitutional Republic, or a Democracy.

A republic: a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people.
Rule of law.
A democracy: a form of government, in which the supreme power is lodged in the hands of the people collectively. Rule of majority.

Start with the United States Constitution article 4 Sec 4.
The United States Shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government.

Thomas Jefferson, who penned so much of our national identity, had an opinion about democracy. “Democracy he said, is nothing more than mob rule.

Alexander Hamilton, who vigorously endorsed the U.S.
Constitution prior to it’s ratification said, €œ We are a republic. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy

James Madison, hailed as Father of the Constitution, stated unequivocally, €œ Democracy is the most vile form of government. Democracies have always been spectacles of turbulence and contention; and have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property;€œ

Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, put it succinctly. €œ A simple democracy is the devil'€™s own government.€

These men, among many others one could quote, knew the enemy and called it out. How is it they were so clear on something we see so vaguely in our day?
This is why, they knew liberty under rule of law, which was their stated goal, could not be founded on a democracy, which is rule by majority, because 51 % of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
( Thomas Jefferson ).

They further knew the foundations for liberty were in the
citizen, self governed by morality, which is where the Bible comes in.

Our founding fathers. even the deists knew, that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And they built our form of government with the timbers of scripture,
Enshrining them in monuments to be remembered through the generations. Our nation’s capitol city is replete with these reminders, including:

Moses holding the 10 Commandments in the Supreme Court building, with the Holy Decalogue engraved throughout the chamber.

All 8 of the Capitol building rotunda paintings depict a Christian history.
The plaque above the Senate main door states:€œ ( In God We Trust )

The National Monument, among many others, states plainly that the basis of our country, in form and principle, was undeniably Christian.

There is not a Greek god or philosopher among them.

If Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson had had it there way, our U.S. Seal would have depicted Moses leaving
Egypt for the promised land, and even the progenitor of Christendom. Anglo-Saxon law would have graced our seal. The Republican form of government is what Moses established ( Deuteronomy l ) over the Hebrew people, and
is what our Constitution established for us as a representative form of bottom-up government. It keeps the national government small with few and enumerated power’s. Read your country’s Constitution-its all in there!
But what we were given looks nothing like what we’re living now, because we’ve forgotten who we are, and why it'€™s so important.

Our founding fathers explain more thoroughly as to there intentions of creating America as they did.
We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government: that is, the universal education
of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.
For this divine book, above all others; favors that equality among man-kind, that respect for just laws, and all those sober and frugal virtues which constitute the soul of republicans. ( Benjamin Rush )

No truth is more evident to my mind that that of the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
Christian religion in its purity is the basis or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. I am persuaded that no evil government of a republican form can exist and be durable, in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence. ( Noah Webster )

I encourage all to research U.S.A. history from the original sources, not modern publications that seek to rip us from our historical moorings by evolutionary politics. Get a pocket Constitution and read it. Its your binding contract with the federal government. Read the original documents and become an informed citizen,

The blessings of liberty are for all, .... every citizen .... but
their foundations must be established upon the immutable truths that our founding fathers understood.

And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


RETW


PS: Some of this writing is mine, most of it is not. Either way, I hope the truth of this writing will ring clear to all



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Aug 23, 2016 15:22:08   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
RETW wrote:
Here are some facts. So let them speak to whether we have a Christian Constitutional Republic, or a Democracy.

A republic: a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people.
Rule of law.
A democracy: a form of government, in which the supreme power is lodged in the hands of the people collectively. Rule of majority.

Start with the United States Constitution article 4 Sec 4.
The United States Shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government.

Thomas Jefferson, who penned so much of our national identity, had an opinion about democracy. “Democracy he said, is nothing more than mob rule.”

Alexander Hamilton, who vigorously endorsed the U.S.
Constitution prior to it’s ratification said, “ We are a republic. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.”

James Madison, hailed as Father of the Constitution, stated unequivocally, “ Democracy is the most vile form of government …. Democracies have always been spectacles of turbulence and contention; and have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; “

Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, put it succinctly. “ A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”

These men, among many others one could quote, knew the enemy and called it out. How is it they were so clear on something we see so vaguely in our day?
This is why, they knew liberty under rule of law, …. which was their stated goal…. Could not be founded on a democracy, which is rule by majority, because 51 % of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
( Thomas Jefferson ).

They further knew the foundations for liberty were in the
citizen, self governed by morality, which is where the Bible comes in.

Our founding fathers …. even the deists … knew that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And they built our form of government with the timbers of scripture,
Enshrining them in monuments to be remembered through the generations. Our nation’s capitol city is replete with these reminders, including:

Moses holding the 10 Commandments in the Supreme Court building, with the Holy Decalogue engraved throughout the chamber.

All 8 of the Capitol building rotunda paintings depict a Christian history.
The plaque above the Senate main door states: “ In God We Trust “

The National Monument, among many others, states plainly that the basis of our country, in form and principle, was undeniably Christian.

There is not a Greek god or philosopher among them.

If Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson had had it there way, our U.S. Seal would have depicted Moses leaving
Egypt for the promised land, and even the progenitor of Christendom. …. Anglo- Saxon law would have graced our seal. The Republican form of government is what Moses established ( Deuteronomy l ) over the Hebrew people, and
is what our Constitution established for us as a representative form of bottom-up government. It keeps the national government small with few and enumerated power’s. Read your country’s Constitution-its all in there!
But what we were given looks nothing like what we’re living now, because we’ve forgotten who we are, and why it’s so important.

Our founding fathers explain more thoroughly as to there intentions of creating America as they did.
We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government: that is, the universal education
of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.
For this divine book, above all others; favors that equality among man-kind, that respect for just laws, and all those sober and frugal virtues which constitute the soul of republicans. ( Benjamin Rush )

No truth is more evident to my mind that that of the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
Christian religion in its purity is the basis or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. I am persuaded that no evil government of a republican form can exist and be durable, in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence. ( Noah Webster )

I encourage all to research U.S.A. history from the original sources, not modern publications that seek to rip us from our historical moorings by evolutionary politics. Get a pocket Constitution and read it. Its your binding contract with the federal government. Read the original documents and become an informed citizen,

The blessings of liberty are for all, …. every citizen …. but
their foundations must be established upon the immutable truths that our founding fathers understood.

And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


RETW


PS: Some of this writing is mine and some of it is not. Either way, I hope the truth of this writing will ring clear to all
Here are some facts. So let them speak to whether... (show quote)


It is definately a constitutional republic. While it was founded by and the Constitution was written by Christians, Christianity was not officially incorporated into the Republic. Because the values reflected in the constitution are JudeoChristian values they were the guiding light toward the design for the country and the Constitution, not Hindu, Pagan or Muslim. Wisely, the framers did not declare any one form of Christianity nor any other religion to be the one and only by which the country would be governed. It might have been done differently if they could look toward the future and see what has now happened. Now the STATE (government) is god moral relativism and the concept that each person can decide anything they want to be good or bad, and the rest of society must accept that definition for that person, and decide that each is valid unto that persons beliefs. were it a democracy the rule of the mob would be the rule of the land.

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Aug 23, 2016 15:30:05   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Your ignorance must be your bliss! The term "Nation under God" was not in the Pledge of Allegiance when it was first written in 1892! The term you mentioned was not added until 1954, and our forefathers have been turning over in their graves ever since!

"The US is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion." John Adams




RETW wrote:
Here are some facts. So let them speak to whether we have a Christian Constitutional Republic, or a Democracy.

A republic: a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people.
Rule of law.
A democracy: a form of government, in which the supreme power is lodged in the hands of the people collectively. Rule of majority.

Start with the United States Constitution article 4 Sec 4.
The United States Shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government.

Thomas Jefferson, who penned so much of our national identity, had an opinion about democracy. “Democracy he said, is nothing more than mob rule.”

Alexander Hamilton, who vigorously endorsed the U.S.
Constitution prior to it’s ratification said, “ We are a republic. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.”

James Madison, hailed as Father of the Constitution, stated unequivocally, “ Democracy is the most vile form of government …. Democracies have always been spectacles of turbulence and contention; and have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; “

Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, put it succinctly. “ A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”

These men, among many others one could quote, knew the enemy and called it out. How is it they were so clear on something we see so vaguely in our day?
This is why, they knew liberty under rule of law, …. which was their stated goal…. Could not be founded on a democracy, which is rule by majority, because 51 % of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
( Thomas Jefferson ).

They further knew the foundations for liberty were in the
citizen, self governed by morality, which is where the Bible comes in.

Our founding fathers …. even the deists … knew that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And they built our form of government with the timbers of scripture,
Enshrining them in monuments to be remembered through the generations. Our nation’s capitol city is replete with these reminders, including:

Moses holding the 10 Commandments in the Supreme Court building, with the Holy Decalogue engraved throughout the chamber.

All 8 of the Capitol building rotunda paintings depict a Christian history.
The plaque above the Senate main door states: “ In God We Trust “

The National Monument, among many others, states plainly that the basis of our country, in form and principle, was undeniably Christian.

There is not a Greek god or philosopher among them.

If Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson had had it there way, our U.S. Seal would have depicted Moses leaving
Egypt for the promised land, and even the progenitor of Christendom. …. Anglo- Saxon law would have graced our seal. The Republican form of government is what Moses established ( Deuteronomy l ) over the Hebrew people, and
is what our Constitution established for us as a representative form of bottom-up government. It keeps the national government small with few and enumerated power’s. Read your country’s Constitution-its all in there!
But what we were given looks nothing like what we’re living now, because we’ve forgotten who we are, and why it’s so important.

Our founding fathers explain more thoroughly as to there intentions of creating America as they did.
We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government: that is, the universal education
of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.
For this divine book, above all others; favors that equality among man-kind, that respect for just laws, and all those sober and frugal virtues which constitute the soul of republicans. ( Benjamin Rush )

No truth is more evident to my mind that that of the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
Christian religion in its purity is the basis or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. I am persuaded that no evil government of a republican form can exist and be durable, in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence. ( Noah Webster )

I encourage all to research U.S.A. history from the original sources, not modern publications that seek to rip us from our historical moorings by evolutionary politics. Get a pocket Constitution and read it. Its your binding contract with the federal government. Read the original documents and become an informed citizen,

The blessings of liberty are for all, …. every citizen …. but
their foundations must be established upon the immutable truths that our founding fathers understood.

And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


RETW


PS: Some of this writing is mine and some of it is not. Either way, I hope the truth of this writing will ring clear to all
Here are some facts. So let them speak to whether... (show quote)





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Aug 23, 2016 17:21:06   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Your ignorance must be your bliss! The term "Nation under God" was not in the Pledge of Allegiance when it was first written in 1892! The term you mentioned was not added until 1954, and our forefathers have been turning over in their graves ever since!

"The US is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion." John Adams




You are so stupid. I did not say, " Nation under God " was in the Pledge back than. If you had a brain that functioned
correctly, and were able to understand what I wrote, you would know that.

"And they built our form of government with the timbers of scripture. " What part of that sentence don't you understand?
You shall not lie, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, etc. These and more are timbers. Course,you being a
self made no-it-all would know that, right?

John Adams said a lot of things. Adams was aware of (and wary of) the risks, such as persecution of minorities and the temptation to wage holy wars, that an established religion poses. Nonetheless, he believed that religion, by uniting and morally guiding the people, should have a large roll in public life. You should also know,.... being as smart as you are ....
we here in this country do not have a government sponsored religion. But the vast majority of People in this country do believe in God. Even John Adams believed in God. He was however, not so keen on religion.

You seem to think because you don't believe in God, you have the right to force the rest of us to follow your lead.
You're the very kind of person, Adams was talking about, and the reason behind my post.

Think of the United States as perched atop a tall, tall, table. And it is held up by large timbers to carry the weight of the country and it's people. What do you think would happen when you cut, or pull down any of these timbers?

You can't be so ignorant as to not know what would follow. If I were you, I would look for ways to add to the timbers.

But that's up to you.



RETW



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Aug 23, 2016 18:03:56   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Your ignorance must be your bliss! The term "Nation under God" was not in the Pledge of Allegiance when it was first written in 1892! The term you mentioned was not added until 1954, and our forefathers have been turning over in their graves ever since!

"The US is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion." John Adams

Still the moron rayban show me in the constitution where it states separation state and religion. It does not so put up or STFU and vote for miss piggy

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Aug 23, 2016 18:12:18   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
RETW wrote:
You are so stupid. I did not say, " Nation under God " was in the Pledge back than. If you had a brain that functioned
correctly, and were able to understand what I wrote, you would know that.

"And they built our form of government with the timbers of scripture. " What part of that sentence don't you understand?
You shall not lie, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, etc. These and more are timbers. Course,you being a
self made no-it-all would know that, right?

John Adams said a lot of things. Adams was aware of (and wary of) the risks, such as persecution of minorities and the temptation to wage holy wars, that an established religion poses. Nonetheless, he believed that religion, by uniting and morally guiding the people, should have a large roll in public life. You should also know,.... being as smart as you are ....
we here in this country do not have a government sponsored religion. But the vast majority of People in this country do believe in God. Even John Adams believed in God. He was however, not so keen on religion.

You seem to think because you don't believe in God, you have the right to force the rest of us to follow your lead.
You're the very kind of person, Adams was talking about, and the reason behind my post.

Think of the United States as perched atop a tall, tall, table. And it is held up by large timbers to carry the weight of the country and it's people. What do you think would happen when you cut, or pull down any of these timbers?

You can't be so ignorant as to not know what would follow. If I were you, I would look for ways to add to the timbers.

But that's up to you.



RETW
You are so stupid. I did not say, " Nation u... (show quote)

Adams and Jefferson were great intelligent men raglan not so much.

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Aug 23, 2016 19:24:10   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
kenjay wrote:
Still the moron rayban show me in the constitution where it states separation state and religion. It does not so put up or STFU and vote for miss piggy


I'll be damned, are you attempting to say you know more than Reagan, about this subject!



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Aug 23, 2016 19:42:09   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
I'll be damned, are you attempting to say you know more than Reagan, about this subject!




Just because Reagan said this does not meant it is in the CONSTITUTION. In fact it is NOT in the Constitution, but is taken out of context from a letter. Maybe you should do a little more reading and find out just where that did come from. Maybe then you would not sound so stupid to others on this site.

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Aug 23, 2016 20:45:31   #
gaconservative74
 
MrEd wrote:
Just because Reagan said this does not meant it is in the CONSTITUTION. In fact it is NOT in the Constitution, but is taken out of context from a letter. Maybe you should do a little more reading and find out just where that did come from. Maybe then you would not sound so stupid to others on this site.


He can't read.

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Aug 23, 2016 20:53:49   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
He can't read.

Or comprehend.

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Aug 23, 2016 20:56:04   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
He can't read.

He can't think either.

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Aug 23, 2016 21:38:13   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
And what non existent letter are mistakenly speaking of?




MrEd wrote:
Just because Reagan said this does not meant it is in the CONSTITUTION. In fact it is NOT in the Constitution, but is taken out of context from a letter. Maybe you should do a little more reading and find out just where that did come from. Maybe then you would not sound so stupid to others on this site.

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Aug 23, 2016 22:17:52   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
And what non existent letter are mistakenly speaking of?

Here’s what Ronald Reagan said, IN CONTEXT, in a speech to Temple Hillel and Community Leaders in Valley Stream (October 26, 1984): Read these words carefully Rayloon, especially the ones empjhasized…

We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate. All are free to believe or not believe, all are free to practice a faith or not, and those who believe are free, and should be free, to speak of and act on their belief.

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Aug 23, 2016 23:15:12   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Meaning all religions, including Muslims who worship Islam!

And don't forget, "Church and state are and must remain separate." Reagan




mwdegutis wrote:
Here’s what Ronald Reagan said, IN CONTEXT, in a speech to Temple Hillel and Community Leaders in Valley Stream (October 26, 1984): Read these words carefully Rayloon, especially the ones empjhasized…

We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate. All are free to believe or not believe, all are free to practice a faith or not, and those who believe are free, and should be free, to speak of and act on their belief.
Here’s what Ronald Reagan said, IN CONTEXT, in a... (show quote)



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Aug 23, 2016 23:58:38   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Meaning all religions, including Muslims who worship Islam!

And don't forget, "Church and state are and must remain separate." Reagan


When did Reagan become your hero? Thought your were in the bag for Clinton the pig.

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