California Churches Forced to Pay for Abortions
Jun 24, 2016 06:08:51 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
Follow this link Catholic Bishops Blast Obama Admin for Forcing Churches to Pay for Abortions
Catholic Bishops Blast Obama Admin for Forcing Churches to Pay for Abortions
The leading pro-life spokesmen for the Catholic bishops are blasting an Obama administration decision revoking f...
for the latest in the Obama adminstration's duplicity. Churches are being forced to pay for abortions in California. This isn't surprising under Gov. Jerry 'Space shot' Brown. Obama could have stopped it!
It is important for everyone to realize that this is coming right from the top. At a minimum, Barack H. Obama is aware of it. He is, far & away, the most assiduously pro-abortion president in history and probably the most of any politician in our history.
He lied to then Archbishop Timothy Dolan when he promised him that there would be a conscience exemption in his Affordable Care Act. His word was as good as what has happened to The Little Sisters of the Poor. Obama could have stopped it!
Catholic Bishops Blast Obama Admin for Forcing Churches to Pay for Abortions
The leading pro-life spokesmen for the Catholic bishops are blasting an Obama administration decision revoking f...
for the latest in the Obama adminstration's duplicity. Churches are being forced to pay for abortions in California. This isn't surprising under Gov. Jerry 'Space shot' Brown. Obama could have stopped it!
It is important for everyone to realize that this is coming right from the top. At a minimum, Barack H. Obama is aware of it. He is, far & away, the most assiduously pro-abortion president in history and probably the most of any politician in our history.
He lied to then Archbishop Timothy Dolan when he promised him that there would be a conscience exemption in his Affordable Care Act. His word was as good as what has happened to The Little Sisters of the Poor. Obama could have stopped it!
Jun 24, 2016 06:35:32 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
Follow this link Catholic Bishops Blast Obama Admi... (show quote)
Well, since the church does everything to stop birth control it's only fair they help pay for the consequences...
Jun 24, 2016 06:50:56 #
PeterS wrote:
Well, since the church does everything to stop birth control it's only fair they help pay for the consequences...
Ridiculous statement Pete , how is teaching abstinence , marriage , love not the absolute best form of birth control and the best way for a child to be raised .. I suppose just discarding children from the womb is your idea of love .
Jun 24, 2016 07:56:18 #
reconreb wrote:
Ridiculous statement Pete , how is teaching abstinence , marriage , love not the absolute best form of birth control and the best way for a child to be raised .. I suppose just discarding children from the womb is your idea of love .
Agreed.We've become so desensitized as a country that things like abortion are no big deal anymore.The moral decay is escalating out of control.
Jun 24, 2016 08:09:45 #
PeterS wrote:
Your ignorance is obvious on so many levels.Well, since the church does everything to stop birth control it's only fair they help pay for the consequences...
1. Church stances on birth control are voluntary. Nobody is forced to become Catholic. Nobody is stopped from changing to another or no religion.
2. Church members are not forced in any way to stop using birth control.
3. Like most liberals, you see people as rutting animals with no self control and no inability to abstain from sex. I can't say whether or not this is true for you and your family and friends, but it is not true by and large for humans as a species.
As a side note:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Jun 24, 2016 08:23:32 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
Follow what link?Follow this link Catholic Bishops Blast Obama Admi... (show quote)
Jun 24, 2016 08:54:15 #
reconreb wrote:
Ridiculous statement Pete , how is teaching abstinence , marriage , love not the absolute best form of birth control and the best way for a child to be raised .. I suppose just discarding children from the womb is your idea of love .
Your methods seem, in reality, to produce the opposite results than those you desire and report.
Regarding abortion:
Ecclesiastes 6:3
King James Bible
If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he.
The Bible supports discarding people preemptively from the womb if it is assumed they would be unhappy at the end of a long life, even if that also preempts the existance of a hundred progeny!
I believe that biblical practice takes abortion much further than reasonable
Jun 24, 2016 08:56:33 #
Jun 24, 2016 09:22:10 #
Super Dave wrote:
Your ignorance is obvious on so many levels. br b... (show quote)
1. Church stances on birth control are voluntary. Nobody is forced to become Catholic. Nobody is stopped from changing to another or no religion.
Some ARE compelled by sincerely held belief in the threat of the the loss of Heaven or the pain of Hell! How disingenuous of you!
If your statement were true, why does this issue even arise? The Church's leaders do all this because of an optional tenent of belief!
2. Church members are not forced in any way to stop using birth control.
Except for the political activities of the RCC in this country and worldwide to make them unobtainable!
3. Like most liberals, you see people as rutting animals with no self control and no inability to abstain from sex. I can't say whether or not this is true for you and your family and friends, but it is not true by and large for humans as a species.
This statement is ridiculous. Liberals see LESS REASON to abstain from sexual activity than conservative religious people, and are generally more responsible about its consequences. Conservative religious people are generally jealous of this license and come up with these kind of mean spirited sour grape responses.
As a side note:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Liberals do not support banning birth control methods as they are the most effective means of preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus reducing the rates of abortion.
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
Selling fetal tissue is illegal in the USA.
Jun 24, 2016 09:34:25 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
Kevyn wrote:
Follow what link?
I expected it to transmit but it didn't. Go to Lifenews.com or prolifenews.com.
Jun 24, 2016 12:22:48 #
Singularity wrote:
1. Church stances on birth control are voluntary. Nobody is forced to become Catholic. Nobody is stopped from changing to another or no religion. .
Some ARE compelled by sincerely held belief in the threat of the the loss of Heaven or the pain of Hell! How disingenuous of you!Yet you chose freely not to believe even in the face of these threats. Your lack of belief proves I was being honest and, at best, you were being willfully ignorant of the obvious facts.
If your statement were true, why does this issue even arise? The Church's leaders do all this because of an optional tenent of belief! Who put you in charge of determining what is optional in another person's belief? They have the same God given right to believe that you have, and I see no evidence that you are any more capable of doing so with wisdom.
2. Church members are not forced in any way to stop using birth control.
Except for the political activities of the RCC in this country and worldwide to make them unobtainable! I don't know who the RCC is, and you didn't specify what actions you meant, but if you mean that they don't pay for them, that's different than making them unattainable.
3. Like most liberals, you see people as rutting animals with no self control and no inability to abstain from sex. I can't say whether or not this is true for you and your family and friends, but it is not true by and large for humans as a species.
This statement is ridiculous. Liberals see LESS REASON to abstain from sexual activity than conservative religious people, and are generally more responsible about its consequences. Conservative religious people are generally jealous of this license and come up with these kind of mean spirited sour grape responses.How could your response possibly be genuine? Conservative Christians can't possibly be jealous of a lifestyle that they could emulate at a moment's notice by doing nothing but devolving their own morality.
As a side note:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Liberals do not support banning birth control methods as they are the most effective means of preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus reducing the rates of abortion.If that were true, then abortions would have been reduced, as contraception is much more readily available than ever before. If you're not stupid you know abortions have skyrocketed, and if you were honest you would admit it.
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?
Selling fetal tissue is illegal in the USA.
Illegal only matters if an admin isn't in bed with the people committing the crime. PP was caught on tape discussing how they sell baby parts. Perhaps your memory has an convenient gap.
Jun 24, 2016 14:48:21 #
1. Church stances on birth control are voluntary. Nobody is forced to become Catholic. Nobody is stopped from changing to another or no religion.
Some ARE compelled by sincerely held belief in the threat of the the loss of Heaven or the pain of Hell! How disingenuous of you.
Yet you chose freely not to believe even in the face of these threats. Your lack of belief proves I was being honest and, at best, you were being willfully ignorant of the obvious facts.
I am not arguing the question of whether a person has a choice to believe or not believe in religious notions and don't see the relevance to the issue under discussion. The point I was interested in discussing is the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) leadership's efforts to limit availability of contraception by demanding legal relief from the burden of supplying insurance coverage for contraception for employees. This reciprocally restricts non-catholic women's access to insurance coverage for their medical needs!
It is not the woman's choice of religion but her ability to use contraceptive methods that is at question. It is my point here that the Roman Catholic Church's overreach into matters that significantly impact secular matters involving non Catholic women results in non Catholic women being denied the choice.
Full Definition of belief
1. a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2. something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3. conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence.
Belief is not a choice, but a dynamic process based on the concordance of one's mental processes, suppositions and experiences with observable reality. It is a point in the validating process involved in determining the usefulness of information where one feels confident to proceed as if the matter under question were true.
Belief is a step apart from truth as it is a mental/emotional process related to observations which may be correct or include erroneous components.
Faith, which IS a choice, is even further separated from reality as it is the choice to accept information as factual without evidence or despite contradictory facts!
If your statement were true, why does this issue even arise? The Church's leaders do all this because of an optional tenent of belief!
Who put you in charge of determining what is optional in another person's belief? They have the same God given right to believe that you have, and I see no evidence that you are any more capable of doing so with wisdom.
You are the one attempting to use the concept of choice, not I. For some unclear purpose. Perhaps my question was worded clumsily. It is a fact that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) leadership has worked long and hard against the availability of contraception. If the Church's stance on the use of contraception is that it is entirely the woman's choice, what are these men up to and why?
2. Church members are not forced in any way to stop using birth control.
Except for the political activities of the RCC in this country and worldwide to make them unobtainable!
I don't know who the RCC is, and you didn't specify what actions you meant, but if you mean that they don't pay for them, that's different than making them unattainable.
Less obtainable. The refusal to provide insurance coverage for contraceptives places an unfair burden upon the woman due to less availability.
3. Like most liberals, you see people as rutting animals with no self control and no inability to abstain from sex. I can't say whether or not this is true for you and your family and friends, but it is not true by and large for humans as a species.
This statement is ridiculous. Liberals see LESS REASON to abstain from sexual activity than conservative religious people, and are generally more responsible about its consequences. Conservative religious people are generally jealous of this license and come up with these kind of mean spirited sour grape responses.
How could your response possibly be genuine? Conservative Christians can't possibly be jealous of a lifestyle that they could emulate at a moment's notice by doing nothing but devolving their own morality.
Really!?! You could voluntarily devolve your morality at a moment's notice? You believe another could or would? Your morality and that of other Christians you have observed is that weakly rooted, and poorly developed?
Then you and I could have weird threesome sex with animals and you would be perfectly ok with that!!?!! And then go rob a bank! Then eat bacon on a Friday during Lent!
No, thanks, I have standards.
As a side note:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Liberals do not support banning birth control methods as they are the most effective means of preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus reducing the rates of abortion.
If that were true, then abortions would have been reduced, as contraception is much more readily available than ever before. If you're not stupid you know abortions have skyrocketed, and if you were honest you would admit it.
You need to research this issue. You are factually incorrect.
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?
Pretty well. I am an organized, knowlegeable and dynamic public speaker.
Selling fetal tissue is illegal in the USA.
Illegal only matters if an admin isn't in bed with the people committing the crime. PP was caught on tape discussing how they sell baby parts. Perhaps your memory has an convenient gap.[/quote]
The story has been so notoriously debunked that I will not respond further to mention of selling baby parts.
Some ARE compelled by sincerely held belief in the threat of the the loss of Heaven or the pain of Hell! How disingenuous of you.
Yet you chose freely not to believe even in the face of these threats. Your lack of belief proves I was being honest and, at best, you were being willfully ignorant of the obvious facts.
I am not arguing the question of whether a person has a choice to believe or not believe in religious notions and don't see the relevance to the issue under discussion. The point I was interested in discussing is the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) leadership's efforts to limit availability of contraception by demanding legal relief from the burden of supplying insurance coverage for contraception for employees. This reciprocally restricts non-catholic women's access to insurance coverage for their medical needs!
It is not the woman's choice of religion but her ability to use contraceptive methods that is at question. It is my point here that the Roman Catholic Church's overreach into matters that significantly impact secular matters involving non Catholic women results in non Catholic women being denied the choice.
Full Definition of belief
1. a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2. something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3. conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence.
Belief is not a choice, but a dynamic process based on the concordance of one's mental processes, suppositions and experiences with observable reality. It is a point in the validating process involved in determining the usefulness of information where one feels confident to proceed as if the matter under question were true.
Belief is a step apart from truth as it is a mental/emotional process related to observations which may be correct or include erroneous components.
Faith, which IS a choice, is even further separated from reality as it is the choice to accept information as factual without evidence or despite contradictory facts!
If your statement were true, why does this issue even arise? The Church's leaders do all this because of an optional tenent of belief!
Who put you in charge of determining what is optional in another person's belief? They have the same God given right to believe that you have, and I see no evidence that you are any more capable of doing so with wisdom.
You are the one attempting to use the concept of choice, not I. For some unclear purpose. Perhaps my question was worded clumsily. It is a fact that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) leadership has worked long and hard against the availability of contraception. If the Church's stance on the use of contraception is that it is entirely the woman's choice, what are these men up to and why?
2. Church members are not forced in any way to stop using birth control.
Except for the political activities of the RCC in this country and worldwide to make them unobtainable!
I don't know who the RCC is, and you didn't specify what actions you meant, but if you mean that they don't pay for them, that's different than making them unattainable.
Less obtainable. The refusal to provide insurance coverage for contraceptives places an unfair burden upon the woman due to less availability.
3. Like most liberals, you see people as rutting animals with no self control and no inability to abstain from sex. I can't say whether or not this is true for you and your family and friends, but it is not true by and large for humans as a species.
This statement is ridiculous. Liberals see LESS REASON to abstain from sexual activity than conservative religious people, and are generally more responsible about its consequences. Conservative religious people are generally jealous of this license and come up with these kind of mean spirited sour grape responses.
How could your response possibly be genuine? Conservative Christians can't possibly be jealous of a lifestyle that they could emulate at a moment's notice by doing nothing but devolving their own morality.
Really!?! You could voluntarily devolve your morality at a moment's notice? You believe another could or would? Your morality and that of other Christians you have observed is that weakly rooted, and poorly developed?
Then you and I could have weird threesome sex with animals and you would be perfectly ok with that!!?!! And then go rob a bank! Then eat bacon on a Friday during Lent!
No, thanks, I have standards.
As a side note:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Liberals do not support banning birth control methods as they are the most effective means of preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus reducing the rates of abortion.
If that were true, then abortions would have been reduced, as contraception is much more readily available than ever before. If you're not stupid you know abortions have skyrocketed, and if you were honest you would admit it.
You need to research this issue. You are factually incorrect.
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?
Pretty well. I am an organized, knowlegeable and dynamic public speaker.
Selling fetal tissue is illegal in the USA.
Illegal only matters if an admin isn't in bed with the people committing the crime. PP was caught on tape discussing how they sell baby parts. Perhaps your memory has an convenient gap.[/quote]
The story has been so notoriously debunked that I will not respond further to mention of selling baby parts.
You missed this last time, apparently!
Jun 24, 2016 15:26:45 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
[color=red]Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?[/c]
Abstinence guarantees no pregnancy.
[color=red]Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?[/c]
Abstinence guarantees no pregnancy.
Jun 24, 2016 15:44:48 #
Crazylibertarian wrote:
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
I'm surprised that liberals don't support banning birth control. Imagine the increased contributions the Democrat Party could stand to gain by the extra baby body parts sold.
Liberals do not support banning birth control methods as they are the most effective means of preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus reducing the rates of abortion.
If that were true, then abortions would have been reduced, as contraception is much more readily available than ever before. If you're not stupid you know abortions have skyrocketed, and if you were honest you would admit it.
You need to research this issue. You are factually incorrect.
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
http://www.guttmacher.org/about/gpr/2016/03/new-clarity-us-abortion-debate-steep-drop-unintended-pregnancy-driving-recent
Jun 25, 2016 06:30:46 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
Abstinence only education practices have been shown to predictably increase the incidence of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.
Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?
Abstinence guarantees no pregnancy.
Have you actually taught either abstinence, moderate or extreme promiscuity to anyone? How did you do?
Abstinence guarantees no pregnancy.
Have you not read the bibles account of Jeses' conception? Or do you belive it is not true, as do I?
If you are honest, you will admit you were in error when you claimed abortion rates have skyrocketed and that I was stupid and uninformed. If you are polite, you will apologize for the insult.
Presented with facts at odds to information you have posted, will you continue to allow your words to stand and bear false witness for you or will you just as publicly recant your false information?
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