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May 25, 2016 15:29:27   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of OPP for a very long time and am aware of you guys "joking" with each other. I'd like to bring to your attention a very well-written letter.

This is a pass-through post I happened upon in my niece’s timeline on Facebook, which apparently has been removed for violating some policy or other of theirs. It was written by a young lady named Kasey Rose-Hodge. I think it has sufficient merit that it should be promulgated far and wide. Herewith, I make my small contribution to that effort.

"Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world". - Kasey Rose-Hodge

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May 25, 2016 16:45:50   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Um...is there a way you can shorten that? You seem to be saying that men are wrong to be concerned about who is in the ladies room with their loved ones, now that the federal government has decided to add Bathroom Laws to the level of control it seeks to exercise over us and has given every fruitloop in America the green light to take advantage of the situation.

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May 25, 2016 17:48:18   #
son of witless
 
Alicia wrote:
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of OPP for a very long time and am aware of you guys "joking" with each other. I'd like to bring to your attention a very well-written letter.

This is a pass-through post I happened upon in my niece’s timeline on Facebook, which apparently has been removed for violating some policy or other of theirs. It was written by a young lady named Kasey Rose-Hodge. I think it has sufficient merit that it should be promulgated far and wide. Herewith, I make my small contribution to that effort.

"Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world". - Kasey Rose-Hodge
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of... (show quote)



Dear creepy feminist. Please cover up your body. We do not wish to frighten the children. I suggest you confine your bathroom visits to outhouses. Back in the day the outhouse was gender neutral. Whoever got in there first had it until they were done.

Back in the day women like you were covered up for a reason. You were not pleasant to look at. Shrews never are. Your men hating attitude shows that your personality did not make up for your lack of looks. You are obviously alone and bitter in your old age. It is good you never found a way to reproduce. The gene pool thanks you.

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May 25, 2016 19:36:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Alicia wrote:
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of OPP for a very long time and am aware of you guys "joking" with each other. I'd like to bring to your attention a very well-written letter.

This is a pass-through post I happened upon in my niece’s timeline on Facebook, which apparently has been removed for violating some policy or other of theirs. It was written by a young lady named Kasey Rose-Hodge. I think it has sufficient merit that it should be promulgated far and wide. Herewith, I make my small contribution to that effort.

"Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world". - Kasey Rose-Hodge
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of... (show quote)


WOW!! This reminds me of my mother! A man hating feminist who demands that everyone bow before her, and serve her needs because she is a WOMAN.

Sorry Alicia. I will continue to open doors, change flats, and generally help out the ladies of this world. Go burn your bras and celebrate your independence from evil men!

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May 25, 2016 20:31:48   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
son of witless wrote:
Dear creepy feminist. Please cover up your body. We do not wish to frighten the children. I suggest you confine your bathroom visits to outhouses. Back in the day the outhouse was gender neutral. Whoever got in there first had it until they were done.


Except for the the Multi-Gender Neutral Outhouses...

I suggest bringing your own Sears & Roebucks catalogue...
I suggest bringing your own Sears & Roebucks catal...

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May 25, 2016 21:38:15   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Oh, they're not worried about the heterosexual predators out there, they're only worried about the tranny's and dykes, I suspect because they make THEM uncomfortable. Grown men can't admit that a chick with a dick scares the bejezus out of them, so they have to pretend that they're worried about you girls, you know, to protect their fragile egos. I think they're afraid the adage "once you go tranny, there's no other fanny" is true - and don't want to be tempted.

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May 25, 2016 21:40:34   #
son of witless
 
Ferrous wrote:
Except for the the Multi-Gender Neutral Outhouses...


Great picture. Takes me back. Some of these feminists need to rough it a little. You use and clean an out house, and hatred and bee up your butt attitudes give way to humility. Suddenly a man who can give you indoor plumbing ain't such a bad guy after all.

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May 25, 2016 22:26:19   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
BigMike wrote:
Um...is there a way you can shorten that? You seem to be saying that men are wrong to be concerned about who is in the ladies room with their loved ones, now that the federal government has decided to add Bathroom Laws to the level of control it seeks to exercise over us and has given every fruitloop in America the green light to take advantage of the situation.

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It's obvious you didn't read the entire post. It is stated that I, personally, did not write it but it was submitted by a young girl. I happen to agree with her. Why should the males be free of responsibility? Can't they learn to control themselves? It seems that "that's the way boys are" gives you the freedom from guilt or responsibility. Are males such animals that they need keepers? Women do have "urges" but, for the most part they are not the rapers.

I recall that when OPP gained a new poster. The avatars were always of very attractive, and young, females. I also recall how absolutely kind and accepting you "guys" were and never spoke rudely. You even discussed it among yourself and decided, from the avatar, that this definitely was a very attractive female and should be treated with respect. You were basing your opinions on a photo! ! ! ! ! And not too long ago, "she" gave you a choice between two photos! It would not at all surprise me if "she" turned out to be male - or possibly homosexual. How do you know?

I was raised to be the subservient female and behaved as such until I grew up. I realized how, for different people, I donned a different personality - one that they would approve of. Then, one day I asked myself who "I" was and decided to find out. It took a few years but I found myself being regarded was a truly liberated female. That thought had never entered my mind and I was surprised by those comments. Let me tell you, it was a difficult time because, although I (as I promised myself) would make a comment off the top of my head, would then look around to see how it was accepted. Introspection is difficult. It entails being honest with oneself. Why don't you try it sometime.

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May 25, 2016 22:48:27   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Alicia wrote:
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It's obvious you didn't read the entire post. It is stated that I, personally, did not write it but it was submitted by a young girl. I happen to agree with her. Why should the males be free of responsibility? Can't they learn to control themselves? It seems that "that's the way boys are" gives you the freedom from guilt or responsibility. Are males such animals that they need keepers? Women do have "urges" but, for the most part they are not the rapers.

I recall that when OPP gained a new poster. The avatars were always of very attractive, and young, females. I also recall how absolutely kind and accepting you "guys" were and never spoke rudely. You even discussed it among yourself and decided, from the avatar, that this definitely was a very attractive female and should be treated with respect. You were basing your opinions on a photo! ! ! ! ! And not too long ago, "she" gave you a choice between two photos! It would not at all surprise me if "she" turned out to be male - or possibly homosexual. How do you know?

I was raised to be the subservient female and behaved as such until I grew up. I realized how, for different people, I donned a different personality - one that they would approve of. Then, one day I asked myself who "I" was and decided to find out. It took a few years but I found myself being regarded was a truly liberated female. That thought had never entered my mind and I was surprised by those comments. Let me tell you, it was a difficult time because, although I (as I promised myself) would make a comment off the top of my head, would then look around to see how it was accepted. Introspection is difficult. It entails being honest with oneself. Why don't you try it sometime.
**************** br It's obvious you didn't read t... (show quote)


As far as I'm concerned a rapist should have his pecker cut off, but that's just how I feel about it.

I don't want the feds making bathroom proclamations. Period.

PS: The avatar thing...who people are come out in what they say. Consider that.

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May 25, 2016 22:52:24   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
archie bunker wrote:
WOW!! This reminds me of my mother! A man hating feminist who demands that everyone bow before her, and serve her needs because she is a WOMAN.

Sorry Alicia. I will continue to open doors, change flats, and generally help out the ladies of this world. Go burn your bras and celebrate your independence from evil men!
WOW!! img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.c... (show quote)


: and A M E N!

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May 25, 2016 23:45:45   #
jelun
 
Alicia wrote:
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It's obvious you didn't read the entire post. It is stated that I, personally, did not write it but it was submitted by a young girl. I happen to agree with her. Why should the males be free of responsibility? Can't they learn to control themselves? It seems that "that's the way boys are" gives you the freedom from guilt or responsibility. Are males such animals that they need keepers? Women do have "urges" but, for the most part they are not the rapers.

I recall that when OPP gained a new poster. The avatars were always of very attractive, and young, females. I also recall how absolutely kind and accepting you "guys" were and never spoke rudely. You even discussed it among yourself and decided, from the avatar, that this definitely was a very attractive female and should be treated with respect. You were basing your opinions on a photo! ! ! ! ! And not too long ago, "she" gave you a choice between two photos! It would not at all surprise me if "she" turned out to be male - or possibly homosexual. How do you know?

I was raised to be the subservient female and behaved as such until I grew up. I realized how, for different people, I donned a different personality - one that they would approve of. Then, one day I asked myself who "I" was and decided to find out. It took a few years but I found myself being regarded was a truly liberated female. That thought had never entered my mind and I was surprised by those comments. Let me tell you, it was a difficult time because, although I (as I promised myself) would make a comment off the top of my head, would then look around to see how it was accepted. Introspection is difficult. It entails being honest with oneself. Why don't you try it sometime.
**************** br It's obvious you didn't read t... (show quote)


Good points, Alicia.

Not one of these caring souls was able to focus on the alternatives suggested by the young person who wrote the post.
No consideration at all to what young women believe they need support to accomplish.

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May 25, 2016 23:50:23   #
Fluffy
 
Alicia wrote:
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of OPP for a very long time and am aware of you guys "joking" with each other. I'd like to bring to your attention a very well-written letter.

This is a pass-through post I happened upon in my niece’s timeline on Facebook, which apparently has been removed for violating some policy or other of theirs. It was written by a young lady named Kasey Rose-Hodge. I think it has sufficient merit that it should be promulgated far and wide. Herewith, I make my small contribution to that effort.

"Dear creepy heterosexual men guarding our bathrooms,

My entire life, I've been told to fear you in one way or another. I've been told to cover my body as to not distract you in school, to cover my body to help avoid unwanted advances or comments, to cover my body as to not tempt you to sexually assault me, to reject your unwanted advances politely as to not anger you. I've been taught to never walk alone at night, to hold my keys in my fist while walking in parking lots, to check the backseat of my car, to not drink too much because you might take advantage of me. I've been told what I should and shouldn't do with my body as to not jeopardize my relationships with you.

I've been warned not to emasculate you, to let "boys be boys", to protect your fragile ego and to not tread on your even more fragile masculinity. I've been taught to keep my emotions in check, to let you be the unit of measure for how much emotion is appropriate and to adjust my emotions accordingly. I've been taught that you're allowed to categorize women into mothers/sisters/girlfriends/wives/daughters but any woman outside of your protected categories is fair game.

So to those of you who think you're being helpful by "protecting" me and my fellow women, you're like a shark sitting in the Lifeguard chair. I wasn't uncomfortable until you showed up at the pool and the only potential predator I see is you.

Your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives and daughters don't need you to walk them to the bathroom for safety. Your fathers, brothers, friends and sons need to walk themselves away from their own double standards. Women are sexually harassed and sexually assaulted on school campuses, on the street, at their jobs, on the Internet, in their own homes, in ANY public place. And it has been excused or ignored for so long because of what you and I are taught from the first years of our interactions with each other: You, as a male, are not accountable for your own actions. It's MY responsibility, as a female, to not "provoke" you. But then you get to Knight-In-Shining-Armor your way through life for those in your protected categories and I am expected to applaud you. Why the outrage now over bathrooms? Why aren't you outraged every single day?

If you're telling me that there are high volumes of boys and men out there, in schools or in general, who are just waiting for a "loop hole" to sexually assault girls and women, we have bigger problems on our hands than bathrooms. The first problem would be your apparent lack of knowledge of how often it happens OUTSIDE of bathrooms, with no "loop holes" needed. This isn't about Transgender bathroom access. This is about you not trusting the boys and men in your communities and/or fearing that they're all secretly predators. Why do you have this fear? How many fathers have panicked when their daughters started dating because they "know how teenaged boys can be because they used to be one"? How many times have girls been warned "boys are only after one thing"? A mother can bring her young son into the women's restroom and that's fine but a father bringing his young daughter into the men's restroom is disturbing because men are assumed to be predators and "little girls" shouldn't be exposed to that.

So instead of picking up your sword and heading to Target or the girls' locker room to defend our "rights", why don't you start somewhere that could actually make a difference? Challenge your children's schools to end sexist dress codes and dress codes that sexualize girls as young as age 5. Advocate for proper (or any) sex education classes in all public schools by a certain grade level. Focus more on teaching your sons not to rape vs teaching your daughters how to avoid being raped. Stop asking "How would you feel if that was your mother or sister?" It shouldn't take the comparison to clue you in to what's right or wrong. Question why you're more worried about your daughter being around men than your son being around women in bathrooms and dressing rooms. Stop walking by Victoria's Secret with no problem but covering your son's eyes if a woman is breastfeeding in public. Stop treating your daughter's body as some fortress you're sworn to protect as if that's all she's got to offer the world". - Kasey Rose-Hodge
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of... (show quote)


Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. Where are men when women get raped? Many of them, blaming the woman.

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May 26, 2016 02:26:45   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
jelun wrote:
Good points, Alicia.

Not one of these caring souls was able to focus on the alternatives suggested by the young person who wrote the post.
No consideration at all to what young women believe they need support to accomplish.

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These "caring souls" just might find it interesting to see what they are unloading on women as follows:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/25/1530662/-Sarah-Silverman-Sperm-is-life-And-you-know-what-that-means-We-ve-gotta-legislate-that-shit?detail=email&link_id=4&can_id=59eecd6c1f869e4579e346f144171f8a&source=email-

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May 26, 2016 08:06:14   #
chiefg
 
You may need help.

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May 26, 2016 11:23:57   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Alicia wrote:
I've lived over 80 years and have been a member of OPP for a very long time and am aware of you guys "joking" with each other. I'd like to bring to your attention a very well-written letter...


Alicia - That is one of the most hateful anti-Muslim rants I've ever read. Why are you such a racist bigot?

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