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Obamacare is ruining the lives of Americans
Oct 25, 2013 17:39:48   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
That's right... entire businesses are being driven to the brink of bankruptcy and American families are being ruined. So claims the blogger at the other end of the link.

One of our members posted this link in my thread about the NSA. He may have found some relevance but I don't really see it. So I decided to repost his link in a new thread so you folks can continue to rant about the ACA.

http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/10/21/the-definitive-guide-to-how-obamacare-is-destroying-american-lives/

As for me, I read the blog, written by some dude who apparently collects horror stories about Obama. I found his meandering to be over dramatic and entirely based on the opinions of pissed off people. So have fun folks!

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Oct 25, 2013 19:37:21   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
That's right... entire businesses are being driven to the brink of bankruptcy and American families are being ruined. So claims the blogger at the other end of the link.

One of our members posted this link in my thread about the NSA. He may have found some relevance but I don't really see it. So I decided to repost his link in a new thread so you folks can continue to rant about the ACA.

http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/10/21/the-definitive-guide-to-how-obamacare-is-destroying-american-lives/

As for me, I read the blog, written by some dude who apparently collects horror stories about Obama. I found his meandering to be over dramatic and entirely based on the opinions of pissed off people. So have fun folks!
That's right... entire businesses are being driven... (show quote)


From my perspective the absolute only way we can get out of this ACA mess is 6o elect a Republican controlled House and Senate. They would not be able to repeal the law because Obama would veto such an attempt but they could defund it. Barring such an event, we are stuck with this monster because as long as Harry Reid controls the senate the ACA is here to stay and the hurting families be damned. The democrats who are now joining the republicans to ask for a one year delay are only doing so to get re-elected and if they do then its Katie bar the door as there is no way they can be stopped. This abomination is a democrat law passed by democrats only and to date not a single democrat lawmaker has even insinuated that he or she has read the entire law. They still do not know what is in it but are damning republicans for wanting to back off on the individual mandate. Their logo represents them well=a bunch of jackasses.

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Oct 29, 2013 16:18:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Ricko wrote:
From my perspective the absolute only way we can get out of this ACA mess is 6o elect a Republican controlled House and Senate. They would not be able to repeal the law because Obama would veto such an attempt but they could defund it. Barring such an event, we are stuck with this monster because as long as Harry Reid controls the senate the ACA is here to stay and the hurting families be damned. The democrats who are now joining the republicans to ask for a one year delay are only doing so to get re-elected and if they do then its Katie bar the door as there is no way they can be stopped. This abomination is a democrat law passed by democrats only and to date not a single democrat lawmaker has even insinuated that he or she has read the entire law. They still do not know what is in it but are damning republicans for wanting to back off on the individual mandate. Their logo represents them well=a bunch of jackasses.
From my perspective the absolute only way we can g... (show quote)


I think the Republicans have to get their act together first. Even Orin Hatch is referring to the House Republicans as "children". They also need to provide the American people with something real instead of just a lot of whining and stomping about what the Democrats are doing. Regardless of how divided people are about the ACA, it's pretty damned obvious that the vast majority of Americans are NOT happy with the current state of healthcare in this country and it's obvious to me that healthcare is going to have an ever increasingly important role in the future and that the current system is vastly incapable of meeting the challenges.

I think if we give the ACA a year or two it could mature into a solid basis for a better system. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, or that it's even close to being perfect but I think it's way to early to call it a failure. I support the ACA because it's the closest we've come to actually doing anything about the horrible system we have now and I don't have much confidence that the Republicans will even make an attempt to do anything about it. Since the Tea Party moved into the House, the GOP has been much better at destroying things than building things.

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Oct 29, 2013 16:58:28   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
I think the Republicans have to get their act together first. Even Orin Hatch is referring to the House Republicans as "children". They also need to provide the American people with something real instead of just a lot of whining and stomping about what the Democrats are doing. Regardless of how divided people are about the ACA, it's pretty damned obvious that the vast majority of Americans are NOT happy with the current state of healthcare in this country and it's obvious to me that healthcare is going to have an ever increasingly important role in the future and that the current system is vastly incapable of meeting the challenges. I am not an insurance expert by any means, however, it seems to me that it would have been much simpler to let everyone enroll the healthcare plan enjoyed by federal workers. It already exists and keeps the IRS out of our health care. They would have to subsidize some as they are now subsidizing federal workers and expand Medicaid as they have already done. The ACA is unworkable unless young, healthy people sign up to off-set those being subsidized or getting free health care. It is not happening and I do not believe it will happen in sufficient numbers to carry the load. This is all about control of the citizenry and has nothing to do with actual health care. A policy with a high deductible held by a person of average means is basically useless and many doctors will not accept them because they will not get paid.
If a person working 40 hours a week cannot afford to buy health insurance how is he going to do it while working 29 hours a week ? If you are a young , healthy 30 year old man of average means what do you give up to make that $400 to $500 monthly insurance premium payment ? Your car payment ? Your rent ? Food? Entertainment ? This is an ill conceived plan by a man who lives in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and it has to work because he designed it. The government knew in 2010 that several million (14+_) would lose their health insurance but the president continued to spew his BS that "If you like your plan you can keep your plan, Period" or "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, Period." He knew those were lies and his democrat congress knew they were lies but they rammed it down the citizenry's throat regardless. If you like the IRS in the middle of your health care, so be iit, but I venture to say that most people find it reprehensible. Good Luck America !!!

I think if we give the ACA a year or two it could mature into a solid basis for a better system. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, or that it's even close to being perfect but I think it's way to early to call it a failure. I support the ACA because it's the closest we've come to actually doing anything about the horrible system we have now and I don't have much confidence that the Republicans will even make an attempt to do anything about it. Since the Tea Party moved into the House, the GOP has been much better at destroying things than building things.
I think the Republicans have to get their act toge... (show quote)

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Oct 30, 2013 19:44:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
ricko wrote:

I am not an insurance expert by any means, however, it seems to me that it would have been much simpler to let everyone enroll the healthcare plan enjoyed by federal workers. It already exists and keeps the IRS out of our health care. They would have to subsidize some as they are now subsidizing federal workers and expand Medicaid as they have already done.

Not sure I understand how a government subsidized system keeps the IRS out.

ricko wrote:

The ACA is unworkable unless young, healthy people sign up to off-set those being subsidized or getting free health care.

Don't get confused. The ACA is not socialized medicine, which is precisely WHY your statement is true. In fact, the same can be said for any insurance product on the market today. Healthy policy-holders are needed to offset the cost of unhealthy policy-holders. There isn't a single health insurance company that can escape that reality. The ACA is no different.

ricko wrote:

It is not happening and I do not believe it will happen in sufficient numbers to carry the load.

Well, it's not happening now because the system has only just rolled out and people without insurance still have months to decide what they want to do. Just look at the mad rush of last minute tax returns every April 15th and you can get some idea of the procrastination in our culture.
Don't worry - people will sign up. :)

ricko wrote:

This is all about control of the citizenry and has nothing to do with actual health care.

oh... you're one of those. Well, have fun with your conspiracy theories.

ricko wrote:

A policy with a high deductible held by a person of average means is basically useless and many doctors will not accept them because they will not get paid.
If a person working 40 hours a week cannot afford to buy health insurance how is he going to do it while working 29 hours a week ? If you are a young , healthy 30 year old man of average means what do you give up to make that $400 to $500 monthly insurance premium payment ? Your car payment ? Your rent ? Food? Entertainment ? This is an ill conceived plan by a man who lives in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and it has to work because he designed it.
br A policy with a high deductible held by a pers... (show quote)

Actually, the plan was already designed by Republicans. Newt Genrich advocated the plan (even though now he says it was a mistake), the Herritage Foundation advocated the plan and Mit Romney deployed the plan when he was governor of Massachusetts. All Obama did was push it to the federal level.

Also the most aggitated opposition to the ACA is the insurance industry because they know with the public option they can't control prices like they have been. The cost of healthcare is going up anyway so with the ACA we can expect an increase but without it we can expect and even greater increase.


ricko wrote:

The government knew in 2010 that several million (14+_) would lose their health insurance but the president continued to spew his BS that "If you like your plan you can keep your plan, Period" or "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, Period." He knew those were lies and his democrat congress knew they were lies but they rammed it down the citizenry's throat regardless.

I'm keeping my insurance... I'm keeping my doctor... So what the hell are you talking about?

And, he didn't ram anything down your throats (good Lord, you conservatives are so melodramatic). Obama put the plan out there before he was even elected and the people voted him in expecting him to push for it. For a very long time, the plan was bounced around between all parties. Everyone who was paying attention could see it evolve. I remember reading numerous editions of the bill including the conditions and amendments that were added by the Republicans.

A final version was drafted and passed unanimously by the House, not just 242 Democrats but also 174 Republicans! Only 12 Democrats and 4 Republicans didn't vote. Total number of NO votes = 0!

Then the Senate approved it with 39 Republicans voting NO and 60 Democrats and Independents voting YES.

And then Obama signed it.

Yeah... he really rammed that one down our throats. :roll:

ricko wrote:

If you like the IRS in the middle of your health care, so be iit, but I venture to say that most people find it reprehensible.

I think the fact that Obama was voted in twice by the people is proof that you're wrong. ;)

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