Anigav6969

To say that this plan is a plan for communism, I think you need to show the details of that claim.....I'm not denying it.....I'm asking you to provide evidence for that claim

Anigav6969

Yeah okay...thanks....go back to bed

Doc110 Loc: York PA

I cautioned you on your accretion of the U.N. 17 point plan.

Read this article piece. I say caution, caution, caution.

10/06/2015 The New World Order Coming to You: - Obama’s U.N. Plan: -Major Cities Join U.N. Globalized Cops, Against “Violent Extremists”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/obamas-u-n-plan-globalize-cops-against-violent-extremists/

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, with Baltimore police, announced the new “Strong Cities Network” to plug local departments into international cooperation and “shared resources” with their peers across the globe adhering to “Strong Cities Network,” principles.

President Obama’s new “Strong Cities Network,” announced with little fanfare last week at the United Nations, appears to be another effort to strip authority from local police departments and to demonize conservative Christians, say advocates of civil and religious liberties.

The stated goal of the program is to connect local police departments with their peers around the world in an effort to combat “violent extremism,” according to Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who announced the program to the U.N. on Sept. 30.

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch Announces the Launch of the Strong Cities Network at the United Nations General Assembly
http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-loretta-e-lynch-announces-launch-stron...

Lynch, with New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio by her side, told world leaders that the time has come for a more globalized and comprehensive effort to combat violent extremism. She said:


“Until now, we have lacked that mechanism.


[b/We haven’t had the benefit of sustained or coordinated cooperation among the growing number of cities and municipalities that are confronting this ongoing challenge. Communities have too often been left isolated and alone.

But through the Strong Cities Network that we have unveiled today, we are making the first systematic effort in history to bring together cities around the world to share experiences, to pool resources and to forge partnerships in order to build local cohesion and resilience on a global scale.[/b]

Today we tell every city, every town and every community that has lost the flower of its youth to a sea of hatred – you are not alone. We stand together and we stand with you.”

De Blasio called it a global coalition of cities seeking to combat extremism and terrorism in all of its “many forms,” and he assured the ACLU that the program would not lead to the profiling of Muslims.

NYC Joins Global Terror-Fighting Network, But NYCLU Head Fears Muslims Will Be Targeted
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/nyc-joins-strong-cities-network/

So far, about two dozen other cities have signed up including Paris, London, Mumbai, Montreal, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Denver, Tunis, Oslo, Beirut and Palermo, among others.

Pastor Shahram Hadian of the Everette, Washington-based Truth in Love Project, said it’s no coincidence that the project was launched at the United Nations.

“So who are they going to target when they talk about violent extremism?”

Asked Hadian, a former Muslim who grew up in Iran and now travels nationwide teaching churches and law enforcement about the dangers of Shariah law.

“Well, if you look at their track record, it always seems to be that your violent extremists are your Christians, your veterans and your Second Amendment advocates.”



National media blackout:



Paul McGuire, a Fox News and History Channel contributor who has authored several books including the new release, “The Babylon Code: Solving the Bible’s Greatest End Times Mystery,” said it’s also interesting how little media coverage was given to Obama’s Strong Cities global policing program.

“There was no national media coverage whatsoever of the Strong Cities Network; it was completely buried,” McGuire said.



“So the question is, why?



This is massive because it’s such a contradiction to the Constitution, and there was no consultation with Congress, and they did a complete end-run around everything that our Constitution stands for.”

Like Hadian, McGuire sees a sinister motive in the use of the term “violent extremism,” which he said is an attempt to draw a moral equivalency among all religions, even though 99 percent of all religious-based violence in the world today involves Muslims killing non-Muslims.


“That’s code for ‘We’re going to crack down on Christian values and conservative values,’ because they’ve already announced that they’re pro-Islamic,” McGuire said.

“Proof that both political parties are involved in this, is the fact that not one single Republican has brought it up.

This is a direct intrusion of the U.N. into the sovereign status of the U.S. at every level, and not one single Republican brought it up.”

WND reported in August that [b]the Obama administration is, indeed, targeting conservatives in its campaign against “violent extremism.” The FBI, according to the report, sent out a bulletin to state, local and national law enforcement warning of attacks against Muslims by “militia extremists” even though no proof of such an impending attack existed.

‘RIDICULOUS': FBI WARNS OF NEXT BIG TERROR ATTACK Leaked document blames Fox, WND, Pam Geller for fueling militias.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/ridiculous-fbi-warns-of-next-big-terror-attack/

Police and veterans are also under pressure to conform to Obama’s agenda of giving special concern to Muslims and other minorities in the wake of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

Hadian said that as racial tensions increase in U.S cities, often stoked by paid outside radicals to whom the government turns a blind eye, it appears Obama is trying to goad the so-called “right wingers” into an attack.



“They tried the race bait, and it hasn’t really happened the way they had planned,” he said.

“Perhaps Muslim baiting is now a part of their plan, even though the true narrative is the exact opposite as we’ve seen in Roseburg, Oregon, and in Garland, Texas; Chattanooga, Tennessee; Oklahoma City; Fort Hood, Texas; and the Boston Marathon.”

In each of those attacks, Muslims or Muslim sympathizers were identified as the attackers, with their targets being innocent Christians, civilians or the military.

Even in Charleston, South Carolina, it was black Christians who were targeted, in that case by an anti-Christian young white man, Dylan Roof, with mental health problems.


When a young Muslim couple was killed in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, last year in an argument over a parking space, the Council for American-Islamic Relations tried to paint the crime as motivated by anti-Muslim bigotry.

This theory was debunked by all the evidence collected by police, but CAIR has never retracted its statements.

So CAIR, in bed with federal law enforcement, is looking hard to pin a “hate crime” on a conservative Christian so they will have their poster child for a police-state crack down on free speech along with new gun-control laws, Hadian said.

“That’s CAIR’s modus operandi now, saying not just that you’re an Islamophobe but that you’re inciting violence (against Muslims) whenever you say anything critical of Islam,” Hadian said.

CAIR was exposed as a front for the Muslim Brotherhood in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terror-financing trial ever conducted on U.S. soil, yet several of its leaders have gone on to fill advisory roles within the Obama administration.



‘Waiting for someone to attack a Muslim’



So the threat to Christians is real, said Hadian, and that’s why it’s important to balance the truth about Islam and its Quranic calls to jihad and Shariah with a call for evangelization and love.

“It’s not about hating Muslims. We want to save them, reach out to them with the truth of the gospel, and we know this is a spiritual battle,” he said.

“At the same time, we are becoming targets.

It seems like at everyone one of these (mass shooting) events they are going to go out of their way to paint the extremist as some right-wing guy, and it just seems to fall apart every time they try to push that narrative.”

“I have no problem encouraging people to defend their homes and their lives, but we certainly don’t need to go on the offensive because this is what they are looking for,” Hadian said.

“They’re waiting for someone to attack a Muslim so they can say, ‘Aha, see, I told you so.’”



‘Eyes in the sky’



Enlisting global “cooperation” against the “violent extremist” should send chills down the spine of every American, said John Whitehead, a constitutional lawyer, founder of the Rutherford Institute and author of “Battlefield America: The War on the American People.”

In Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the follow-up to his award-winning book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead paints a terrifying portrait of a nation at war with itself and which is on the verge of undermining the basic freedoms guaranteed to the citizenry in the Constitution.

Indeed, police have been transformed into extensions of the military, towns and cities have become battlefields, and the American people have been turned into enemy combatants, to be spied on, tracked, scanned, frisked, searched, subjected to all manner of intrusions, intimidated, invaded, raided, manhandled, censored, silenced, shot at, locked up, and denied due process.

Yet this police state did not come about overnight.

As Whitehead notes, this shift into totalitarianism cannot be traced back to a single individual or event.

Rather, the evolution has been so subtle that most American citizens were hardly even aware of it taking place.

Yet little by little, police authority expanded, one weapon after another was added to the police arsenal, and one exception after another was made to the standards that have historically restrained police authority.

Add to this mix the merger of Internet megacorporations with government intelligence agencies, and you have the making of an electronic concentration camp that not only sees the citizenry as databits but will attempt to control every aspect of their lives. And if someone dares to step out of line, they will most likely find an armed SWAT team at their door.

“As I have been saying for quite a while, we have practically moved into a global government already,” Whitehead told WND.
“
You look at the NSA’s Five Eyes Program, and this is spread around the world,” he said.

“They’ve created basically an electronic concentration camp, and they’re working with Google to do it. In essence, globalism armed with technology is going to happen and under Obama we’ve moved closer and closer to federalizing the police.

The FBI is moving into several local police departments, most recently in Oakland (California). Their main job is to use social media to track people.”

Now, with Strong Cities Network, U.S. cities will be cooperating and “sharing resources” with foreign governments around the world. Local police are already training with FBI, DHS and even the military.

Obama’s new program lays the groundwork for them to train with foreign police units under the banner of the U.N.

“With the Strong Cities program we see the goal is to have global police, so it’s going to be very hard to rein in global cops,” Whitehead said. “Cops who were trained locally are going by the wayside, dealing solely with local cops is going to be a thing of the past.

It’s sort of in your face, it’s saying the U.N. is going to be a global police force, working in this country one way or the other. New York City, L.A., Chicago are going to lead the way.

Americans better get ready for this because what it means is, our Constitution is being replaced, and the constitutional protections we have eventually will be gone.”

Among the first steps taken will involve merging some of the law-enforcement capacities within regions, with U.S. cops cooperating more closely with those of Mexico and Canada, Whitehead said.

“They’re working to fuse them together, so local autonomy, local authority, will be diluted and eventually eliminated,” he said.

“They’re already globalizing, technology demands it.

“Google is moving quickly with robotics, driverless cars, and coordinating everything on the web under one umbrella,” he continued.

“Amazon was paid $600 million to build an intelligence cloud for the FBI, DHS and CIA.” Eric Schmidt, the renowned software engineer, is involved in international elitist groups such as the secretive Bilderbergs, Whitehead said, and Hillary Clinton spoke at the last three major events for Google.

“You have John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager). Eric Schmidt. Google, Amazon,” he said. “They want world government. Hillary wants it, Obama wants it. So that is where it is heading.”


McGuire said the U.N. will always pick a “politically correct” situation in which to intervene.

It will not intervene to stop the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East, but it will intervene to protect transgenders, Islam or perceived racial bias by police.

That’s why U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for the protection of civil rights during the Ferguson uprising in August 2014 even as rioters were looting, turning over police cars and burning buildings.



Gun control tops U.N. agenda for law enforcement



“Whatever the U.N. moves into, it’s always a politically correct situation.

So when the Michael Brown protests were going on, the U.N. secretary general demanded that police adhered to what he called ‘U.S. and international standards,’ and he’s basically taking authority over local police forces,” McGuire said.

Amid Missouri protests, Ban urges restraint, respect for right to peaceful assembly
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48508#.VhRiavlVhBd


Another critical aspect of the U.N. agenda is universal gun registration and gun control.


“We all know that you have to get rid of the guns to bring in the dictatorship. Hitler did this, the Soviets did it,” McGuire said.

“So they know that, and that’s why Hillary Clinton wants to overhaul gun laws and Obama is now talking about using executive actions to enact gun control.”




After finishing the research for his latest book, “The Babylon Code,” which he co-authored with journalist Troy Anderson, McGuire said he came to an unavoidable conclusion.

THE BABYLON CODE: SOLVING THE BIBLE'S GREATEST END-TIMES MYSTERY:
What if God embedded a code in the Bible that could only be cracked in the end times – a prophetic cypher that reveals how the four blood moons and the biblical Shemitah are just signs of the beginning of end-time events?

Unlocking a great mystery that has puzzled scholars for nearly 2,000 years, "The Babylon Code" reveals how powerful forces are now at work to create a global government, cashless society and universal religion as predicted by the prophets.

The result of a five-year journalistic investigation: "The Babylon Code" takes readers on a spellbinding journey to explore the link between the world's most secret organizations, the Bible's greatest prophetic riddle and what world-renowned evangelist Billy Graham describes as a convergence in end-time signs for the first time in history

This prophetic mystery book pieces together the apocalyptic puzzle – uncovering what may be not only the biggest story and political scandal in modern history, but also the secret to both our survival and our salvation.

“I believe we are now reaching a tipping point that is going to happen very soon,” McGuire said. “It could happen overnight and most likely after a crisis event. The U.N. is already in control of a great deal, but we are going to see the U.N. come out of the shadows and openly exercise its authority over the United States.

They will still have some kind of illusion of the United States for the masses, but I believe the elites are ready to bring global government out of the closet, and we’re going to see a very radical, aggressive change.

They want to do this by 2030, and in Paris they’re going to announce another round of sweeping changes (in November) and then you look at all the trigger points, the Syrian war, the international debt crisis, etcetera.”


Using refugees, mass waves of immigrants


While the Strong Cities Network talks on its website about “building social cohesian,” the actions of the globalists are causing just the opposite.

They are using Islam and Muslim refugees to “break down social cohesion all over the world,” McGuire says, setting the stage for mass unrest.



The solution will be police-state crackdowns.



Inspiring Local Resilience on a Global Scale: A global network of local authorities united in building resilience to prevent violent extremism.
http://strongcitiesnetwork.org

“They’re using refugees in Germany to take over towns and cities. And here in U.S., they’re using refugees to war on the social cohesion of our society.

So they’re going to slam-dunk the global government, and it will be a terrorist crisis or financial crisis that triggers it,” McGuire said.

This is made obvious by the fact that the majority of “refugees” are healthy Islamic men between the ages of 18 and 45.

“That’s an army. The Europeans aren’t stupid,” McGuire said.“

They have strategically allowed this in collusion with the pope, who softened the people up with his statements, and so the purpose of this is, you’ve broken down the Euro-centric identity with European Western values, and even though it’s not Judeo-Christian values but Western nonetheless, in their customs and culture that produces a culture of excellence.”

By forcibly injecting waves of Islamic migrants into Europe, the stage has been set for riots and violence should a crisis occur, such as a financial meltdown or terror attack where public services get disrupted.



“That will demand a police-state crack down,” McGuire said.



“And the other half of the equation is you create Shariah law, and you break apart that non-Islamic consensus so Europe no longer has a European culture and is therefore more likely to assimilate into globalism. “That synergistically with the Muslim refugees would produce anarchy throughout Europe that would demand an authoritarian police state takeover, and suddenly the U.N. is no longer a set of ‘would you please do this, or please do that’ type recommendations. You’ve created the trigger points and the crisis points. You’ve created on top of it a huge number of people who will always vote socialist. The same potential exists here as in Europe, a crisis and then an authoritarian U.N. government moving in to take control of the mayhem. It’s dark and dirty, and most people do not want to face it, but it’s a real danger.”



If anyone doubts that sinister motives lie behind efforts like the Strong Cities Network, McGuire says all they need do is study the words of the world’s most elite globalists, such as Henry Kissinger.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence.

It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”

– Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1991, as transcribed from a tape-recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.

Anigav6969

[quote=Doc110]I cautioned you on your accretion of the U.N. 17 point plan.

Read this article piece. I say caution, caution, caution.

10/06/2015 The New World Order Coming to You: - Obama’s U.N. Plan: -Major Cities Join U.N. Globalized Cops, Against “Violent Extremists”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/obamas-u-n-plan-globalize-cops-against-violent-extremists/

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, with Baltimore police, announced the new “Strong Cities Network” to plug local departments into international cooperation and “shared resources” with their peers across the globe adhering to “Strong Cities Network,” principles.

President Obama’s new “Strong Cities Network,” announced with little fanfare last week at the United Nations, appears to be another effort to strip authority from local police departments and to demonize conservative Christians, say advocates of civil and religious liberties.

The stated goal of the program is to connect local police departments with their peers around the world in an effort to combat “violent extremism,” according to Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who announced the program to the U.N. on Sept. 30.

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch Announces the Launch of the Strong Cities Network at the United Nations General Assembly
http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-loretta-e-lynch-announces-launch-stron...

Lynch, with New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio by her side, told world leaders that the time has come for a more globalized and comprehensive effort to combat violent extremism. She said:


“Until now, we have lacked that mechanism.


[b/We haven’t had the benefit of sustained or coordinated cooperation among the growing number of cities and municipalities that are confronting this ongoing challenge. Communities have too often been left isolated and alone.

But through the Strong Cities Network that we have unveiled today, we are making the first systematic effort in history to bring together cities around the world to share experiences, to pool resources and to forge partnerships in order to build local cohesion and resilience on a global scale.[/b]

Today we tell every city, every town and every community that has lost the flower of its youth to a sea of hatred – you are not alone. We stand together and we stand with you.”

De Blasio called it a global coalition of cities seeking to combat extremism and terrorism in all of its “many forms,” and he assured the ACLU that the program would not lead to the profiling of Muslims.

NYC Joins Global Terror-Fighting Network, But NYCLU Head Fears Muslims Will Be Targeted
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/nyc-joins-strong-cities-network/

So far, about two dozen other cities have signed up including Paris, London, Mumbai, Montreal, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Denver, Tunis, Oslo, Beirut and Palermo, among others.

Pastor Shahram Hadian of the Everette, Washington-based Truth in Love Project, said it’s no coincidence that the project was launched at the United Nations.

“So who are they going to target when they talk about violent extremism?”

Asked Hadian, a former Muslim who grew up in Iran and now travels nationwide teaching churches and law enforcement about the dangers of Shariah law.

“Well, if you look at their track record, it always seems to be that your violent extremists are your Christians, your veterans and your Second Amendment advocates.”



National media blackout:



Paul McGuire, a Fox News and History Channel contributor who has authored several books including the new release, “The Babylon Code: Solving the Bible’s Greatest End Times Mystery,” said it’s also interesting how little media coverage was given to Obama’s Strong Cities global policing program.

“There was no national media coverage whatsoever of the Strong Cities Network; it was completely buried,” McGuire said.



“So the question is, why?



This is massive because it’s such a contradiction to the Constitution, and there was no consultation with Congress, and they did a complete end-run around everything that our Constitution stands for.”

Like Hadian, McGuire sees a sinister motive in the use of the term “violent extremism,” which he said is an attempt to draw a moral equivalency among all religions, even though 99 percent of all religious-based violence in the world today involves Muslims killing non-Muslims.


“That’s code for ‘We’re going to crack down on Christian values and conservative values,’ because they’ve already announced that they’re pro-Islamic,” McGuire said.

“Proof that both political parties are involved in this, is the fact that not one single Republican has brought it up.

This is a direct intrusion of the U.N. into the sovereign status of the U.S. at every level, and not one single Republican brought it up.”

WND reported in August that [b]the Obama administration is, indeed, targeting conservatives in its campaign against “violent extremism.” The FBI, according to the report, sent out a bulletin to state, local and national law enforcement warning of attacks against Muslims by “militia extremists” even though no proof of such an impending attack existed.

‘RIDICULOUS': FBI WARNS OF NEXT BIG TERROR ATTACK Leaked document blames Fox, WND, Pam Geller for fueling militias.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/ridiculous-fbi-warns-of-next-big-terror-attack/

Police and veterans are also under pressure to conform to Obama’s agenda of giving special concern to Muslims and other minorities in the wake of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

Hadian said that as racial tensions increase in U.S cities, often stoked by paid outside radicals to whom the government turns a blind eye, it appears Obama is trying to goad the so-called “right wingers” into an attack.



“They tried the race bait, and it hasn’t really happened the way they had planned,” he said.

“Perhaps Muslim baiting is now a part of their plan, even though the true narrative is the exact opposite as we’ve seen in Roseburg, Oregon, and in Garland, Texas; Chattanooga, Tennessee; Oklahoma City; Fort Hood, Texas; and the Boston Marathon.”

In each of those attacks, Muslims or Muslim sympathizers were identified as the attackers, with their targets being innocent Christians, civilians or the military.

Even in Charleston, South Carolina, it was black Christians who were targeted, in that case by an anti-Christian young white man, Dylan Roof, with mental health problems.


When a young Muslim couple was killed in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, last year in an argument over a parking space, the Council for American-Islamic Relations tried to paint the crime as motivated by anti-Muslim bigotry.

This theory was debunked by all the evidence collected by police, but CAIR has never retracted its statements.

So CAIR, in bed with federal law enforcement, is looking hard to pin a “hate crime” on a conservative Christian so they will have their poster child for a police-state crack down on free speech along with new gun-control laws, Hadian said.

“That’s CAIR’s modus operandi now, saying not just that you’re an Islamophobe but that you’re inciting violence (against Muslims) whenever you say anything critical of Islam,” Hadian said.

CAIR was exposed as a front for the Muslim Brotherhood in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terror-financing trial ever conducted on U.S. soil, yet several of its leaders have gone on to fill advisory roles within the Obama administration.



‘Waiting for someone to attack a Muslim’



So the threat to Christians is real, said Hadian, and that’s why it’s important to balance the truth about Islam and its Quranic calls to jihad and Shariah with a call for evangelization and love.

“It’s not about hating Muslims. We want to save them, reach out to them with the truth of the gospel, and we know this is a spiritual battle,” he said.

“At the same time, we are becoming targets.

It seems like at everyone one of these (mass shooting) events they are going to go out of their way to paint the extremist as some right-wing guy, and it just seems to fall apart every time they try to push that narrative.”

“I have no problem encouraging people to defend their homes and their lives, but we certainly don’t need to go on the offensive because this is what they are looking for,” Hadian said.

“They’re waiting for someone to attack a Muslim so they can say, ‘Aha, see, I told you so.’”



‘Eyes in the sky’



Enlisting global “cooperation” against the “violent extremist” should send chills down the spine of every American, said John Whitehead, a constitutional lawyer, founder of the Rutherford Institute and author of “Battlefield America: The War on the American People.”

In Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the follow-up to his award-winning book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead paints a terrifying portrait of a nation at war with itself and which is on the verge of undermining the basic freedoms guaranteed to the citizenry in the Constitution.

Indeed, police have been transformed into extensions of the military, towns and cities have become battlefields, and the American people have been turned into enemy combatants, to be spied on, tracked, scanned, frisked, searched, subjected to all manner of intrusions, intimidated, invaded, raided, manhandled, censored, silenced, shot at, locked up, and denied due process.

Yet this police state did not come about overnight.

As Whitehead notes, this shift into totalitarianism cannot be traced back to a single individual or event.

Rather, the evolution has been so subtle that most American citizens were hardly even aware of it taking place.

Yet little by little, police authority expanded, one weapon after another was added to the police arsenal, and one exception after another was made to the standards that have historically restrained police authority.

Add to this mix the merger of Internet megacorporations with government intelligence agencies, and you have the making of an electronic concentration camp that not only sees the citizenry as databits but will attempt to control every aspect of their lives. And if someone dares to step out of line, they will most likely find an armed SWAT team at their door.

“As I have been saying for quite a while, we have practically moved into a global government already,” Whitehead told WND.
“
You look at the NSA’s Five Eyes Program, and this is spread around the world,” he said.

“They’ve created basically an electronic concentration camp, and they’re working with Google to do it. In essence, globalism armed with technology is going to happen and under Obama we’ve moved closer and closer to federalizing the police.

The FBI is moving into several local police departments, most recently in Oakland (California). Their main job is to use social media to track people.”

Now, with Strong Cities Network, U.S. cities will be cooperating and “sharing resources” with foreign governments around the world. Local police are already training with FBI, DHS and even the military.

Obama’s new program lays the groundwork for them to train with foreign police units under the banner of the U.N.

“With the Strong Cities program we see the goal is to have global police, so it’s going to be very hard to rein in global cops,” Whitehead said. “Cops who were trained locally are going by the wayside, dealing solely with local cops is going to be a thing of the past.

It’s sort of in your face, it’s saying the U.N. is going to be a global police force, working in this country one way or the other. New York City, L.A., Chicago are going to lead the way.

Americans better get ready for this because what it means is, our Constitution is being replaced, and the constitutional protections we have eventually will be gone.”

Among the first steps taken will involve merging some of the law-enforcement capacities within regions, with U.S. cops cooperating more closely with those of Mexico and Canada, Whitehead said.

“They’re working to fuse them together, so local autonomy, local authority, will be diluted and eventually eliminated,” he said.

“They’re already globalizing, technology demands it.

“Google is moving quickly with robotics, driverless cars, and coordinating everything on the web under one umbrella,” he continued.

“Amazon was paid $600 million to build an intelligence cloud for the FBI, DHS and CIA.” Eric Schmidt, the renowned software engineer, is involved in international elitist groups such as the secretive Bilderbergs, Whitehead said, and Hillary Clinton spoke at the last three major events for Google.

“You have John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager). Eric Schmidt. Google, Amazon,” he said. “They want world government. Hillary wants it, Obama wants it. So that is where it is heading.”


McGuire said the U.N. will always pick a “politically correct” situation in which to intervene.

It will not intervene to stop the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East, but it will intervene to protect transgenders, Islam or perceived racial bias by police.

That’s why U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for the protection of civil rights during the Ferguson uprising in August 2014 even as rioters were looting, turning over police cars and burning buildings.



Gun control tops U.N. agenda for law enforcement



“Whatever the U.N. moves into, it’s always a politically correct situation.

So when the Michael Brown protests were going on, the U.N. secretary general demanded that police adhered to what he called ‘U.S. and international standards,’ and he’s basically taking authority over local police forces,” McGuire said.

Amid Missouri protests, Ban urges restraint, respect for right to peaceful assembly
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48508#.VhRiavlVhBd


Another critical aspect of the U.N. agenda is universal gun registration and gun control.


“We all know that you have to get rid of the guns to bring in the dictatorship. Hitler did this, the Soviets did it,” McGuire said.

“So they know that, and that’s why Hillary Clinton wants to overhaul gun laws and Obama is now talking about using executive actions to enact gun control.”




After finishing the research for his latest book, “The Babylon Code,” which he co-authored with journalist Troy Anderson, McGuire said he came to an unavoidable conclusion.

THE BABYLON CODE: SOLVING THE BIBLE'S GREATEST END-TIMES MYSTERY:
What if God embedded a code in the Bible that could only be cracked in the end times – a prophetic cypher that reveals how the four blood moons and the biblical Shemitah are just signs of the beginning of end-time events?

Unlocking a great mystery that has puzzled scholars for nearly 2,000 years, "The Babylon Code" reveals how powerful forces are now at work to create a global government, cashless society and universal religion as predicted by the prophets.

The result of a five-year journalistic investigation: "The Babylon Code" takes readers on a spellbinding journey to explore the link between the world's most secret organizations, the Bible's greatest prophetic riddle and what world-renowned evangelist Billy Graham describes as a convergence in end-time signs for the first time in history

This prophetic mystery book pieces together the apocalyptic puzzle – uncovering what may be not only the biggest story and political scandal in modern history, but also the secret to both our survival and our salvation.

“I believe we are now reaching a tipping point that is going to happen very soon,” McGuire said. “It could happen overnight and most likely after a crisis event. The U.N. is already in control of a great deal, but we are going to see the U.N. come out of the shadows and openly exercise its authority over the United States.

They will still have some kind of illusion of the United States for the masses, but I believe the elites are ready to bring global government out of the closet, and we’re going to see a very radical, aggressive change.

They want to do this by 2030, and in Paris they’re going to announce another round of sweeping changes (in November) and then you look at all the trigger points, the Syrian war, the international debt crisis, etcetera.”


Using refugees, mass waves of immigrants


While the Strong Cities Network talks on its website about “building social cohesian,” the actions of the globalists are causing just the opposite.

They are using Islam and Muslim refugees to “break down social cohesion all over the world,” McGuire says, setting the stage for mass unrest.



The solution will be police-state crackdowns.



Inspiring Local Resilience on a Global Scale: A global network of local authorities united in building resilience to prevent violent extremism.
http://strongcitiesnetwork.org

“They’re using refugees in Germany to take over towns and cities. And here in U.S., they’re using refugees to war on the social cohesion of our society.

So they’re going to slam-dunk the global government, and it will be a terrorist crisis or financial crisis that triggers it,” McGuire said.

This is made obvious by the fact that the majority of “refugees” are healthy Islamic men between the ages of 18 and 45.

“That’s an army. The Europeans aren’t stupid,” McGuire said.“

They have strategically allowed this in collusion with the pope, who softened the people up with his statements, and so the purpose of this is, you’ve broken down the Euro-centric identity with European Western values, and even though it’s not Judeo-Christian values but Western nonetheless, in their customs and culture that produces a culture of excellence.”

By forcibly injecting waves of Islamic migrants into Europe, the stage has been set for riots and violence should a crisis occur, such as a financial meltdown or terror attack where public services get disrupted.



“That will demand a police-state crack down,” McGuire said.



“And the other half of the equation is you create Shariah law, and you break apart that non-Islamic consensus so Europe no longer has a European culture and is therefore more likely to assimilate into globalism. “That synergistically with the Muslim refugees would produce anarchy throughout Europe that would demand an authoritarian police state takeover, and suddenly the U.N. is no longer a set of ‘would you please do this, or please do that’ type recommendations. You’ve created the trigger points and the crisis points. You’ve created on top of it a huge number of people who will always vote socialist. The same potential exists here as in Europe, a crisis and then an authoritarian U.N. government moving in to take control of the mayhem. It’s dark and dirty, and most people do not want to face it, but it’s a real danger.”



If anyone doubts that sinister motives lie behind efforts like the Strong Cities Network, McGuire says all they need do is study the words of the world’s most elite globalists, such as Henry Kissinger.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence.

It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”

– Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1991, as transcribed from a tape-recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.[/quote]

Your posts are waaaaaay too long.....and the sites you are linking are obviously biased WND ?.....Cmon ........I looked into this program and it sounds pretty good.....I can't find why people would ba against this.....if this program is so dangerous, just show me an article....an unbiased article, that shows how dangerous this is......I'm open minded....I'll read it.....so far, I see nothing wrong with this program

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

[quote=Doc110]I cautioned you on your accretion of the U.N. 17 point plan.

Read this article piece. I say caution, caution, caution.

10/06/2015 The New World Order Coming to You: - Obama’s U.N. Plan: -Major Cities Join U.N. Globalized Cops, Against “Violent Extremists”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/obamas-u-n-plan-globalize-cops-against-violent-extremists/

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, with Baltimore police, announced the new “Strong Cities Network” to plug local departments into international cooperation and “shared resources” with their peers across the globe adhering to “Strong Cities Network,” principles.

President Obama’s new “Strong Cities Network,” announced with little fanfare last week at the United Nations, appears to be another effort to strip authority from local police departments and to demonize conservative Christians, say advocates of civil and religious liberties.

The stated goal of the program is to connect local police departments with their peers around the world in an effort to combat “violent extremism,” according to Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who announced the program to the U.N. on Sept. 30.

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch Announces the Launch of the Strong Cities Network at the United Nations General Assembly
http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-loretta-e-lynch-announces-launch-stron...

Lynch, with New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio by her side, told world leaders that the time has come for a more globalized and comprehensive effort to combat violent extremism. She said:


“Until now, we have lacked that mechanism.


[b/We haven’t had the benefit of sustained or coordinated cooperation among the growing number of cities and municipalities that are confronting this ongoing challenge. Communities have too often been left isolated and alone.

But through the Strong Cities Network that we have unveiled today, we are making the first systematic effort in history to bring together cities around the world to share experiences, to pool resources and to forge partnerships in order to build local cohesion and resilience on a global scale.[/b]

Today we tell every city, every town and every community that has lost the flower of its youth to a sea of hatred – you are not alone. We stand together and we stand with you.”

De Blasio called it a global coalition of cities seeking to combat extremism and terrorism in all of its “many forms,” and he assured the ACLU that the program would not lead to the profiling of Muslims.

NYC Joins Global Terror-Fighting Network, But NYCLU Head Fears Muslims Will Be Targeted
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/nyc-joins-strong-cities-network/

So far, about two dozen other cities have signed up including Paris, London, Mumbai, Montreal, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Denver, Tunis, Oslo, Beirut and Palermo, among others.

Pastor Shahram Hadian of the Everette, Washington-based Truth in Love Project, said it’s no coincidence that the project was launched at the United Nations.

“So who are they going to target when they talk about violent extremism?”

Asked Hadian, a former Muslim who grew up in Iran and now travels nationwide teaching churches and law enforcement about the dangers of Shariah law.

“Well, if you look at their track record, it always seems to be that your violent extremists are your Christians, your veterans and your Second Amendment advocates.”



National media blackout:



Paul McGuire, a Fox News and History Channel contributor who has authored several books including the new release, “The Babylon Code: Solving the Bible’s Greatest End Times Mystery,” said it’s also interesting how little media coverage was given to Obama’s Strong Cities global policing program.

“There was no national media coverage whatsoever of the Strong Cities Network; it was completely buried,” McGuire said.



“So the question is, why?



This is massive because it’s such a contradiction to the Constitution, and there was no consultation with Congress, and they did a complete end-run around everything that our Constitution stands for.”

Like Hadian, McGuire sees a sinister motive in the use of the term “violent extremism,” which he said is an attempt to draw a moral equivalency among all religions, even though 99 percent of all religious-based violence in the world today involves Muslims killing non-Muslims.


“That’s code for ‘We’re going to crack down on Christian values and conservative values,’ because they’ve already announced that they’re pro-Islamic,” McGuire said.

“Proof that both political parties are involved in this, is the fact that not one single Republican has brought it up.

This is a direct intrusion of the U.N. into the sovereign status of the U.S. at every level, and not one single Republican brought it up.”

WND reported in August that [b]the Obama administration is, indeed, targeting conservatives in its campaign against “violent extremism.” The FBI, according to the report, sent out a bulletin to state, local and national law enforcement warning of attacks against Muslims by “militia extremists” even though no proof of such an impending attack existed.

‘RIDICULOUS': FBI WARNS OF NEXT BIG TERROR ATTACK Leaked document blames Fox, WND, Pam Geller for fueling militias.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/ridiculous-fbi-warns-of-next-big-terror-attack/

Police and veterans are also under pressure to conform to Obama’s agenda of giving special concern to Muslims and other minorities in the wake of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

Hadian said that as racial tensions increase in U.S cities, often stoked by paid outside radicals to whom the government turns a blind eye, it appears Obama is trying to goad the so-called “right wingers” into an attack.



“They tried the race bait, and it hasn’t really happened the way they had planned,” he said.

“Perhaps Muslim baiting is now a part of their plan, even though the true narrative is the exact opposite as we’ve seen in Roseburg, Oregon, and in Garland, Texas; Chattanooga, Tennessee; Oklahoma City; Fort Hood, Texas; and the Boston Marathon.”

In each of those attacks, Muslims or Muslim sympathizers were identified as the attackers, with their targets being innocent Christians, civilians or the military.

Even in Charleston, South Carolina, it was black Christians who were targeted, in that case by an anti-Christian young white man, Dylan Roof, with mental health problems.


When a young Muslim couple was killed in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, last year in an argument over a parking space, the Council for American-Islamic Relations tried to paint the crime as motivated by anti-Muslim bigotry.

This theory was debunked by all the evidence collected by police, but CAIR has never retracted its statements.

So CAIR, in bed with federal law enforcement, is looking hard to pin a “hate crime” on a conservative Christian so they will have their poster child for a police-state crack down on free speech along with new gun-control laws, Hadian said.

“That’s CAIR’s modus operandi now, saying not just that you’re an Islamophobe but that you’re inciting violence (against Muslims) whenever you say anything critical of Islam,” Hadian said.

CAIR was exposed as a front for the Muslim Brotherhood in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terror-financing trial ever conducted on U.S. soil, yet several of its leaders have gone on to fill advisory roles within the Obama administration.



‘Waiting for someone to attack a Muslim’



So the threat to Christians is real, said Hadian, and that’s why it’s important to balance the truth about Islam and its Quranic calls to jihad and Shariah with a call for evangelization and love.

“It’s not about hating Muslims. We want to save them, reach out to them with the truth of the gospel, and we know this is a spiritual battle,” he said.

“At the same time, we are becoming targets.

It seems like at everyone one of these (mass shooting) events they are going to go out of their way to paint the extremist as some right-wing guy, and it just seems to fall apart every time they try to push that narrative.”

“I have no problem encouraging people to defend their homes and their lives, but we certainly don’t need to go on the offensive because this is what they are looking for,” Hadian said.

“They’re waiting for someone to attack a Muslim so they can say, ‘Aha, see, I told you so.’”



‘Eyes in the sky’



Enlisting global “cooperation” against the “violent extremist” should send chills down the spine of every American, said John Whitehead, a constitutional lawyer, founder of the Rutherford Institute and author of “Battlefield America: The War on the American People.”

In Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the follow-up to his award-winning book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead paints a terrifying portrait of a nation at war with itself and which is on the verge of undermining the basic freedoms guaranteed to the citizenry in the Constitution.

Indeed, police have been transformed into extensions of the military, towns and cities have become battlefields, and the American people have been turned into enemy combatants, to be spied on, tracked, scanned, frisked, searched, subjected to all manner of intrusions, intimidated, invaded, raided, manhandled, censored, silenced, shot at, locked up, and denied due process.

Yet this police state did not come about overnight.

As Whitehead notes, this shift into totalitarianism cannot be traced back to a single individual or event.

Rather, the evolution has been so subtle that most American citizens were hardly even aware of it taking place.

Yet little by little, police authority expanded, one weapon after another was added to the police arsenal, and one exception after another was made to the standards that have historically restrained police authority.

Add to this mix the merger of Internet megacorporations with government intelligence agencies, and you have the making of an electronic concentration camp that not only sees the citizenry as databits but will attempt to control every aspect of their lives. And if someone dares to step out of line, they will most likely find an armed SWAT team at their door.

“As I have been saying for quite a while, we have practically moved into a global government already,” Whitehead told WND.
“
You look at the NSA’s Five Eyes Program, and this is spread around the world,” he said.

“They’ve created basically an electronic concentration camp, and they’re working with Google to do it. In essence, globalism armed with technology is going to happen and under Obama we’ve moved closer and closer to federalizing the police.

The FBI is moving into several local police departments, most recently in Oakland (California). Their main job is to use social media to track people.”

Now, with Strong Cities Network, U.S. cities will be cooperating and “sharing resources” with foreign governments around the world. Local police are already training with FBI, DHS and even the military.

Obama’s new program lays the groundwork for them to train with foreign police units under the banner of the U.N.

“With the Strong Cities program we see the goal is to have global police, so it’s going to be very hard to rein in global cops,” Whitehead said. “Cops who were trained locally are going by the wayside, dealing solely with local cops is going to be a thing of the past.

It’s sort of in your face, it’s saying the U.N. is going to be a global police force, working in this country one way or the other. New York City, L.A., Chicago are going to lead the way.

Americans better get ready for this because what it means is, our Constitution is being replaced, and the constitutional protections we have eventually will be gone.”

Among the first steps taken will involve merging some of the law-enforcement capacities within regions, with U.S. cops cooperating more closely with those of Mexico and Canada, Whitehead said.

“They’re working to fuse them together, so local autonomy, local authority, will be diluted and eventually eliminated,” he said.

“They’re already globalizing, technology demands it.

“Google is moving quickly with robotics, driverless cars, and coordinating everything on the web under one umbrella,” he continued.

“Amazon was paid $600 million to build an intelligence cloud for the FBI, DHS and CIA.” Eric Schmidt, the renowned software engineer, is involved in international elitist groups such as the secretive Bilderbergs, Whitehead said, and Hillary Clinton spoke at the last three major events for Google.

“You have John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager). Eric Schmidt. Google, Amazon,” he said. “They want world government. Hillary wants it, Obama wants it. So that is where it is heading.”


McGuire said the U.N. will always pick a “politically correct” situation in which to intervene.

It will not intervene to stop the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East, but it will intervene to protect transgenders, Islam or perceived racial bias by police.

That’s why U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for the protection of civil rights during the Ferguson uprising in August 2014 even as rioters were looting, turning over police cars and burning buildings.



Gun control tops U.N. agenda for law enforcement



“Whatever the U.N. moves into, it’s always a politically correct situation.

So when the Michael Brown protests were going on, the U.N. secretary general demanded that police adhered to what he called ‘U.S. and international standards,’ and he’s basically taking authority over local police forces,” McGuire said.

Amid Missouri protests, Ban urges restraint, respect for right to peaceful assembly
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48508#.VhRiavlVhBd


Another critical aspect of the U.N. agenda is universal gun registration and gun control.


“We all know that you have to get rid of the guns to bring in the dictatorship. Hitler did this, the Soviets did it,” McGuire said.

“So they know that, and that’s why Hillary Clinton wants to overhaul gun laws and Obama is now talking about using executive actions to enact gun control.”




After finishing the research for his latest book, “The Babylon Code,” which he co-authored with journalist Troy Anderson, McGuire said he came to an unavoidable conclusion.

THE BABYLON CODE: SOLVING THE BIBLE'S GREATEST END-TIMES MYSTERY:
What if God embedded a code in the Bible that could only be cracked in the end times – a prophetic cypher that reveals how the four blood moons and the biblical Shemitah are just signs of the beginning of end-time events?

Unlocking a great mystery that has puzzled scholars for nearly 2,000 years, "The Babylon Code" reveals how powerful forces are now at work to create a global government, cashless society and universal religion as predicted by the prophets.

The result of a five-year journalistic investigation: "The Babylon Code" takes readers on a spellbinding journey to explore the link between the world's most secret organizations, the Bible's greatest prophetic riddle and what world-renowned evangelist Billy Graham describes as a convergence in end-time signs for the first time in history

This prophetic mystery book pieces together the apocalyptic puzzle – uncovering what may be not only the biggest story and political scandal in modern history, but also the secret to both our survival and our salvation.

“I believe we are now reaching a tipping point that is going to happen very soon,” McGuire said. “It could happen overnight and most likely after a crisis event. The U.N. is already in control of a great deal, but we are going to see the U.N. come out of the shadows and openly exercise its authority over the United States.

They will still have some kind of illusion of the United States for the masses, but I believe the elites are ready to bring global government out of the closet, and we’re going to see a very radical, aggressive change.

They want to do this by 2030, and in Paris they’re going to announce another round of sweeping changes (in November) and then you look at all the trigger points, the Syrian war, the international debt crisis, etcetera.”


Using refugees, mass waves of immigrants


While the Strong Cities Network talks on its website about “building social cohesian,” the actions of the globalists are causing just the opposite.

They are using Islam and Muslim refugees to “break down social cohesion all over the world,” McGuire says, setting the stage for mass unrest.



The solution will be police-state crackdowns.



Inspiring Local Resilience on a Global Scale: A global network of local authorities united in building resilience to prevent violent extremism.
http://strongcitiesnetwork.org

“They’re using refugees in Germany to take over towns and cities. And here in U.S., they’re using refugees to war on the social cohesion of our society.

So they’re going to slam-dunk the global government, and it will be a terrorist crisis or financial crisis that triggers it,” McGuire said.

This is made obvious by the fact that the majority of “refugees” are healthy Islamic men between the ages of 18 and 45.

“That’s an army. The Europeans aren’t stupid,” McGuire said.“

They have strategically allowed this in collusion with the pope, who softened the people up with his statements, and so the purpose of this is, you’ve broken down the Euro-centric identity with European Western values, and even though it’s not Judeo-Christian values but Western nonetheless, in their customs and culture that produces a culture of excellence.”

By forcibly injecting waves of Islamic migrants into Europe, the stage has been set for riots and violence should a crisis occur, such as a financial meltdown or terror attack where public services get disrupted.



“That will demand a police-state crack down,” McGuire said.



“And the other half of the equation is you create Shariah law, and you break apart that non-Islamic consensus so Europe no longer has a European culture and is therefore more likely to assimilate into globalism. “That synergistically with the Muslim refugees would produce anarchy throughout Europe that would demand an authoritarian police state takeover, and suddenly the U.N. is no longer a set of ‘would you please do this, or please do that’ type recommendations. You’ve created the trigger points and the crisis points. You’ve created on top of it a huge number of people who will always vote socialist. The same potential exists here as in Europe, a crisis and then an authoritarian U.N. government moving in to take control of the mayhem. It’s dark and dirty, and most people do not want to face it, but it’s a real danger.”



If anyone doubts that sinister motives lie behind efforts like the Strong Cities Network, McGuire says all they need do is study the words of the world’s most elite globalists, such as Henry Kissinger.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence.

It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”

– Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1991, as transcribed from a tape-recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.[/quote]

This excellent post illustrates how we are just going to repeat history but at a galactic level. It probably will take root in urban America but i can't see it go rural. All of this goes in both ears and out of Vaginaboy's blowhole.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

"They hate God", sounds like most Christians before they were saved. But there is a fine line of discernment of the unsaved and enemies of God. Maybe why Jesus says, pray for your enemies. Only God knows the point where one hardens their heart to the point God turns them over to their desires of ungodlyness. Paul the Apostle was rounding up Christians to have them imprisoned or killed, prior to "road to Damascus"

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The amount of insults on this post amazes me, if anyone would look through the threads of the discussions you and I have had on this post, they may discover mutual respect from two people of opposite ideologies and beliefs on topics such as this remiss of insults, are able to be civil and friendly.

As for our discussion, the Foundation of agenda 2030 is one of socialist/communists, not just communism. If we look at the nations who drafted this ( socialist/marxist ) marxist=communist.

Here is a link to the actual U.N documents for agenda 2030

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld

Keep in mind agenda 21 which was sold to America with good sounding language, which in part had a good side......but the hidden agenda, now the government owns nearly all state lands. This is against the Constitution, as the land is to be owned by the states. As a result government went from protecting land for future generations, to shutting down over 90% access to once owned state lands.leaving the only access restricted to national forest, state parks with all other access points, entrances, and roads being fenced or barred off. The BLM has gone from protecting land for future generations, to a toxic branch of the U.S, government. Remember the Bundy ranch controversy, if so you may remember the BLM in swat gear and assault rifles....the BLM has become a police force against Americans, unregulated. Most Americans never realized this was part of the real intentions of Agenda 21. This is only one of dozens of horrible things Included into agenda 21 under the guises of sustainable land and other agreeable language, only meant to deceive actual intentions.
Do we really want a U.N. police force on American soil, arresting Americans outside of the restraints of our Constitution and bill of rights? If you are for or against Americans owning guns, would you agree to the U.N. ignoring our Constitution and implementation of disarming Americans? I am for Americans right to own guns, and would not be happy if the second amendment was amended to disarm americans, but..... no way in hell would I agree or condone a foreign power to exercise laws on American soil, to American citizens.

Orrie

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

RWNJ

Actually, Paul did not hate God. He hated Christians. He believed that he was doing Gods will by killing Christians. God had to give him a Holy smack upside the head to set him straight. I wonder what that was like?

:twisted:

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Right, my point was....as a Christian of that time before the road to Damascus, how easy to want to hate Paul, a man God was not ready to give up on.

Anigav6969

I appreciate our conversations Jack....and I respect your opinions.....I read some but not all of the link you provided...to be honest, to me it sounds great...the goals are noble ...to end poverty and suffering worldwide....I hope they are able to do this.......I'm not familiar with agenda 21
I'm also for the right to bear arms....I would like to see universal background checks and more testing to see competency tests to own a gun

RWNJ

Paul wasn't a rapist or a murderer. My point is that anyone who engages in such behavior is lost. They have already rejected God. Someone can be an unbeliever and still be a decent person, but those who delight in evil are lost.

Anigav6969

RW...if that murderer or rapist repents, he goes to Heaven

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Paul was aggressive at hunting down Christians, he hated them. Capture Christians and turn them over to be jailed and or crucified. A christian of that period would (my guess, some of the Christians) hate Paul, thinking him an enemy of God, thus justified. I believe Jesus would want Christians not to hate Paul, but pray for him. Paul is my hands down favorite Apostle.
I find it challenging at times to pray for my enemies, those against Christians and the Constitution, it's foundation. When I think about how Christians saw Paul, with all his Roman trimmings of the Roman society, a society that worshiped idols, greed, glutinous, homosexuality, crusading against Christianity. Only God knows when a man's heart is hardened, thus it's a safe bet to replace any hate, with prayer......at times easier said.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Most states do have universal background test, and competency test is not a bad idea. As a teen I was required to undergo gun safety training in order to secure a hunting license. Training that could save lives, and gain respect for the proper use of guns. F.y.i. I'm against hunting for sport, and unless really needs to hunt, to feed themselves or family cannot support needlessly killing an animal.
Regarding Agenda 21 there are several references on the internet and youtube worth checking out. I see Agenda 2030 liken too Agenda 21 on steroids. In the coming weeks and months I'm confident more will be revealed and much talked about.