Who the hell wrote Obummer Care?
Aug 26, 2013 18:50:22 #
Worried for our children wrote:
Without even checking your numbers, I'll put up those against any other country, I'm sure ones chances of getting better in this country far out weigh all the others.
You said it. "without even checking your numbers". That kind of bar room braggadocio may be emotionally satisfying when you are hanging with your
homies at a post game barbeque but hardly passes for sober analysis of the serious health care problems that beset this country. Please do some research
(not Fox News) and be prepared to be shocked.
Aug 26, 2013 19:05:44 #
bmac32 wrote:
Nope 180,000 from mistakes. Roughly 16,500 hospitals in the US. Our advantage is time as they die waiting in the UK.
And you have lived in the UK and personally experienced this? One of the biggest fallacies in american thinking is that countries with a more socialized medical system are constrained to use ONLY that system. False. In almost all those countries (in fact none do not have this option that I am aware of) you can go to a private hospital and pay for the procedure. Since there is a single payer type system in place (cumbersome and sometimes inefficient though that may be) this serves to keep costs of private insurers in check for the most part because they are mindful of the fact that some people will opt for the less expensive option even if a wait is sometimes involved. Usually private health insurance can be had in these countries cheaper that America.
I realize that this nuance may not fit your rhetorical narrative but a little attention to the facts would be nice.
Aug 26, 2013 19:24:55 #
Nope never lived there. I did work with two ladies from there, 1996. That was the reason they got visa's and left, long lines for health care and the cost of insurance. Not being citizens yet they paid for their own here and it was less than half of what is was there. Insurance or no insurance everyone stands in the same line.
OBTW, if Romney care is so great why is it two months to see a doctor in and around Boston?
OBTW, if Romney care is so great why is it two months to see a doctor in and around Boston?
eden wrote:
And you have lived in the UK and personally experi... (show quote)
Aug 26, 2013 19:44:19 #
[quote=Worried for our children]Cheaper yes, better, that would be an emphatic NO!
Just in the north east (New England) alone, has the best hospitals in the whole world. With your reasoning, explain why it is that med. students from around the world choose this place out of the choices available, to be educated in, and practice medicine?.... I'll answer for you, because it's the best. As in second to none.
No. Medical schools in the US are horrendously expensive compared to the rest of the developed world. Some like Johns Hopkins are justifiably famous for their expertise. Many med students (who can afford it) come to America for one simple reason : MONEY
In their own country doctors can usually make a comfortable income but nothing like the fabulous fees they can make as a specialist working in America with it's bloated profit driven medical system. Once you graduate med school in America it is relatively easy to get residency here. I would note here that many american doctors get their training in 3rd world countries because it is more affordable then return to the US with a newly minted Medical Degree and only have to get a passing grade on the Medical boards exam in one of the more regulation lax southern states to merge into the US medical mainstream.
Just in the north east (New England) alone, has the best hospitals in the whole world. With your reasoning, explain why it is that med. students from around the world choose this place out of the choices available, to be educated in, and practice medicine?.... I'll answer for you, because it's the best. As in second to none.
No. Medical schools in the US are horrendously expensive compared to the rest of the developed world. Some like Johns Hopkins are justifiably famous for their expertise. Many med students (who can afford it) come to America for one simple reason : MONEY
In their own country doctors can usually make a comfortable income but nothing like the fabulous fees they can make as a specialist working in America with it's bloated profit driven medical system. Once you graduate med school in America it is relatively easy to get residency here. I would note here that many american doctors get their training in 3rd world countries because it is more affordable then return to the US with a newly minted Medical Degree and only have to get a passing grade on the Medical boards exam in one of the more regulation lax southern states to merge into the US medical mainstream.
Aug 26, 2013 20:42:41 #
[quote=eden]
"eden", you go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need in order to fall asleep at night. Your above statement is just simply false. Not all those that aspire a medical career(doctors) are "specialists", though I agree the ones that are, are compensated handsomely, and deservedly so, and far more often than not they're not the ones from the "southern states" you speak of, or those you claim to go outside the country and come back to practice, they're from reputable medical schools. The top hospitals recruit from the top med schools and that's just fact.
In regards to your other posts to me, I'm not exactly in the medical field, in accordance with my occupation I hold enough credits to equate me to a paramedic and I have for the last eighteen years, whoop di doo, that still doesn't make me qualified to write healthcare law, nor does it you. Hence why I have not attempted to offer any sort of remedy. What I have done is read the ACA, just over half of it(excluding the add ons),so my opinions are not uninformed or common, and so when I read you advocating for it, although you claim you're not, I feel compelled to advise others not to follow your train of thought, which seems to be geared toward allowing the ACA to destroy this country without a fight. For further reference one does not need to go to the UK to witness the weapon of mass destruction that this law is. All anyone needs is Internet access and the ability to read.
Talk about blowing smoke, all the ACA is is smoke and mirrors.
Good day sir/madam,
- worried
Worried for our children wrote:
Cheaper yes, better, that would be an emphatic NO!... (show quote)
"eden", you go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need in order to fall asleep at night. Your above statement is just simply false. Not all those that aspire a medical career(doctors) are "specialists", though I agree the ones that are, are compensated handsomely, and deservedly so, and far more often than not they're not the ones from the "southern states" you speak of, or those you claim to go outside the country and come back to practice, they're from reputable medical schools. The top hospitals recruit from the top med schools and that's just fact.
In regards to your other posts to me, I'm not exactly in the medical field, in accordance with my occupation I hold enough credits to equate me to a paramedic and I have for the last eighteen years, whoop di doo, that still doesn't make me qualified to write healthcare law, nor does it you. Hence why I have not attempted to offer any sort of remedy. What I have done is read the ACA, just over half of it(excluding the add ons),so my opinions are not uninformed or common, and so when I read you advocating for it, although you claim you're not, I feel compelled to advise others not to follow your train of thought, which seems to be geared toward allowing the ACA to destroy this country without a fight. For further reference one does not need to go to the UK to witness the weapon of mass destruction that this law is. All anyone needs is Internet access and the ability to read.
Talk about blowing smoke, all the ACA is is smoke and mirrors.
Good day sir/madam,
- worried
Aug 26, 2013 21:32:30 #
eden i saw a program about a lady with cancer that they refused to treat so her hubby wanted to bring her here and they wouldent give her a visa
Aug 26, 2013 23:06:10 #
eden wrote:
There is such a thing as "informed opinion" and then there is the common
variety of opinion that we all have. Are you a medical person with personal experience plus substantiated data to back your assertion? I was a paramedic.
Wife was a GP. Want to hear more? Don't make the mistake of thinking I support ACA in it's current form but constantly wanking about it with no suggestion for improvement or a viable replacement is just blowing smoke.
variety of opinion that we all have. Are you a medical person with personal experience plus substantiated data to back your assertion? I was a paramedic.
Wife was a GP. Want to hear more? Don't make the mistake of thinking I support ACA in it's current form but constantly wanking about it with no suggestion for improvement or a viable replacement is just blowing smoke.
Why don't you return to your garden of....?
Aug 27, 2013 00:30:43 #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Why don't you return to your garden of....?
Awwww...come on Old Gringo. You can do better that that. I have read your other posts so I know. Address the issues I raise. I am still waiting for the Republican Health Care Plan. This does not make me a Democrat or a Liberal
or a defender of ACA. The only way you can blow Obamacare out of the water is coming up with a more cohesive plan. It IS possible. Until then the political right will continue to discredit what was once a proud conservative entity,
Aug 27, 2013 00:31:30 #
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Aug 27, 2013 01:15:16 #
Worried for our children wrote:
What about it...?
I accidentally hit send when my message was not complete. See previous post.
Aug 27, 2013 08:20:57 #
eden wrote:
Awwww...come on Old Gringo. You can do better that that. I have read your other posts so I know. Address the issues I raise. I am still waiting for the Republican Health Care Plan. This does not make me a Democrat or a Liberal
or a defender of ACA. The only way you can blow Obamacare out of the water is coming up with a more cohesive plan. It IS possible. Until then the political right will continue to discredit what was once a proud conservative entity,
or a defender of ACA. The only way you can blow Obamacare out of the water is coming up with a more cohesive plan. It IS possible. Until then the political right will continue to discredit what was once a proud conservative entity,
They did but not one Democrat wuld have it. Covered pre-exiting, donut hole and a couple things. Somewhere, sometime someone will wake up and simply allow plans to be bought accros state lines with federal rules in place.
Aug 27, 2013 15:27:59 #
eden wrote:
Awwww...come on Old Gringo. You can do better that that. I have read your other posts so I know. Address the issues I raise. I am still waiting for the Republican Health Care Plan. This does not make me a Democrat or a Liberal
or a defender of ACA. The only way you can blow Obamacare out of the water is coming up with a more cohesive plan. It IS possible. Until then the political right will continue to discredit what was once a proud conservative entity,
or a defender of ACA. The only way you can blow Obamacare out of the water is coming up with a more cohesive plan. It IS possible. Until then the political right will continue to discredit what was once a proud conservative entity,
There is NOTHING WRONG with the health care we have now, except for the cost. The cost is high mostly because people with insurance abuse it. And there are many people, read illegals, who don't pay anything, and those who do pay, have to make up for the abusers. There doesn't HAVE to be a replacement plan for obamacare, we just need to weed out the abusers.
Aug 27, 2013 15:34:11 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
A few simple realities are in order:
The law that was written, regardless of who wrote it, was over 2,000 pages but really defered to bureaucrats to write the more than 15,000 pages of regulations that continue to grow.
The so called "Affordable" is a joke, unless one considers the IRS agents and the navigators that it creates will provide some health care for anyone.
Hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent, of taxpayer funds, to "sell" it to the public - interesting that such enormous funding is required to "sell" what was supposed to be so good for everyone.
The law that was written, regardless of who wrote it, was over 2,000 pages but really defered to bureaucrats to write the more than 15,000 pages of regulations that continue to grow.
The so called "Affordable" is a joke, unless one considers the IRS agents and the navigators that it creates will provide some health care for anyone.
Hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent, of taxpayer funds, to "sell" it to the public - interesting that such enormous funding is required to "sell" what was supposed to be so good for everyone.
Aug 27, 2013 17:05:28 #
Poco624 wrote:
Yeah, that was a childish remark, I did it because... (show quote)
OK, 'He who knows all', Nancy still doesn't know what's in it! She's incapable of rational thought. She just does what barry tells her he wants--like you do. Your Republican cousin is saying the same thing about you-in reverse. I'm sure you're smarter than the people at Fox News, too. I'm sure they misspell words, and take things out of context, too. You're just spouting socialist nonsense that you hear on MTV, I think.
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