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Pope says Global Warming is a Moral Issue
Jun 27, 2015 12:40:55   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
I have to say, it's been interesting to see Christians and politicians on the right responding to the Pope's 200-page edict stating that Global Warming is real, man-made AND a moral issue. I expect there are a lot of Christians that are quiet on the issue right now while trying to wrap their heads around what their moral leader is telling them, but there is also an immediate response from right-wingers who I don't think really care about what he is saying and for them, it seems to be a matter of marginalizing the Pope. It's like all of a sudden they switched to secular mode telling us that the Pope needs to stay out of politics.

This is actually nothing new... The Vatican often does stand against the aggressions of right-wing politics on issues such as poverty. I also realize that the Christian Right is almost entirely reformist so the links to the Pope are weak but these reformists don't seem to have any other moral leaders who aren't involved in running a church as a commercial enterprise.

Could it be that money is their true god? Certainly, it seems that every argument against global warming is a matter of avoiding costs and saving profit. They say the devil's greatest accomplishment is making people believe he isn't real. Well, it seems to me that if the devil wanted to influence people without being identified then the business of money would be the best cover. Nothing else drives people quite the way the business of money does. Maybe there's a good reason why Jesus had such an issue with it.

In the meantime, I'm just going to stand up and applaud the Pope for his stance and for putting morals and awareness first. AND for reminding me that not all Christians are morally bankrupt.

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Jun 27, 2015 12:58:01   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
straightUp wrote:
I have to say, it's been interesting to see Christians and politicians on the right responding to the Pope's 200-page edict stating that Global Warming is real, man-made AND a moral issue. I expect there are a lot of Christians that are quiet on the issue right now while trying to wrap their heads around what their moral leader is telling them, but there is also an immediate response from right-wingers who I don't think really care about what he is saying and for them, it seems to be a matter of marginalizing the Pope. It's like all of a sudden they switched to secular mode telling us that the Pope needs to stay out of politics.

This is actually nothing new... The Vatican often does stand against the aggressions of right-wing politics on issues such as poverty. I also realize that the Christian Right is almost entirely reformist so the links to the Pope are weak but these reformists don't seem to have any other moral leaders who aren't involved in running a church as a commercial enterprise.

Could it be that money is their true god? Certainly, it seems that every argument against global warming is a matter of avoiding costs and saving profit. They say the devil's greatest accomplishment is making people believe he isn't real. Well, it seems to me that if the devil wanted to influence people without being identified then the business of money would be the best cover. Nothing else drives people quite the way money does. Maybe there's a good reason why Jesus had such an issue with it.
I have to say, it's been interesting to see Christ... (show quote)


straightup: I agree with you 100% Christians and conservatives politicians don't agreed with Pope Francis's edict for their own convenience making money and polluting the earth.

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Jun 27, 2015 12:58:01   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
straightUp wrote:
I have to say, it's been interesting to see Christians and politicians on the right responding to the Pope's 200-page edict stating that Global Warming is real, man-made AND a moral issue. I expect there are a lot of Christians that are quiet on the issue right now while trying to wrap their heads around what their moral leader is telling them, but there is also an immediate response from right-wingers who I don't think really care about what he is saying and for them, it seems to be a matter of marginalizing the Pope. It's like all of a sudden they switched to secular mode telling us that the Pope needs to stay out of politics.

This is actually nothing new... The Vatican often does stand against the aggressions of right-wing politics on issues such as poverty. I also realize that the Christian Right is almost entirely reformist so the links to the Pope are weak but these reformists don't seem to have any other moral leaders who aren't involved in running a church as a commercial enterprise.

Could it be that money is their true god? Certainly, it seems that every argument against global warming is a matter of avoiding costs and saving profit. They say the devil's greatest accomplishment is making people believe he isn't real. Well, it seems to me that if the devil wanted to influence people without being identified then the business of money would be the best cover. Nothing else drives people quite the way money does. Maybe there's a good reason why Jesus had such an issue with it.
I have to say, it's been interesting to see Christ... (show quote)


straightup: I agree with you 100% ,many Christians and conservatives politicians don't agreed with Pope Francis's edict about "Global Warming" for their own convenience making money, polluting the earth, and killing innocent people.

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Jun 27, 2015 13:16:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Jerry A. wrote:
straightup: I agree with you 100% Christians and conservatives politicians don't agreed with Pope Francis's edict for their own convenience making money and polluting the earth.


It's hard to see it any other way. It seems fairly common for political factions to pose as religious factions for the obvious benefit of gaining popular support among those who are weak on education and strong on faith. This is why I separate Islam from the terrorists because I think it's essentially the same thing (political factions leveraging religious popularity). At least Christians aren't running around chopping off heads, but those Christians on the right almost always seem to be the first to defend the geopolitical forces that have killed millions of people for commercial gain.

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Jun 29, 2015 11:54:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Wow... so apparently this is something Christian conservatives are NOT willing to talk about. Getting back to my original post at the beginning of this one page topic... quiet, because they are still trying to wrap their heads around it...

I guess I was hoping for some insight to their thinking. From what I understand, the Pope officially determines what the truth is and Christians are bound to believe it. This is the Christian conservative counterpart, to science. It's called the Magisterium.

Some conservatives (Jeb Bush for instance) are taking their stand and saying that religion doesn't belong in politics... So I guess secularism has it's place even on the right when it's convenient for the obviously overriding importance of their political agenda.

I even saw some interesting attempts being made by Christians to imply exceptions to the rule so they don't HAVE to assent to the magisterial Laudata Si' Encyclical that says Global Warming is real, man-made AND a moral issue.

Here's my favorite one...

https://www.catholicvote.org/keeping-track-of-truths-why-catechism-doesnt-equal-magisterium/

In here, the author uses the Catechism as an example of something that contains magisterial teaching (pope and bishops) AND common teaching (theologians etc...) of which only the magisterial components requires assent. The author's point is that Christians (Catholics to be specific) don't have to believe EVERYTHING in the Catechism - only the magisterial stuff. But the Pope's Encyclical *IS* magisterial. So I guess the Catechism was a bad example. LOL.

Anyway, I'm hoping this Laudato Si' Encyclical can bring the Christian Right more in-line with reality with respect to global warming because the only thing their crack-pot attempt at counter-science is doing is making us laugh.

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Jun 29, 2015 12:47:27   #
Anigav6969
 
straightUp wrote:
Wow... so apparently this is something Christian conservatives are NOT willing to talk about. Getting back to my original post at the beginning of this one page topic... quiet, because they are still trying to wrap their heads around it...

I guess I was hoping for some insight to their thinking. From what I understand, the Pope officially determines what the truth is and Christians are bound to believe it. This is the Christian conservative counterpart, to science. It's called the Magisterium.

Some conservatives (Jeb Bush for instance) are taking their stand and saying that religion doesn't belong in politics... So I guess secularism has it's place even on the right when it's convenient for the obviously overriding importance of their political agenda.

I even saw some interesting attempts being made by Christians to imply exceptions to the rule so they don't HAVE to assent to the magisterial Laudata Si' Encyclical that says Global Warming is real, man-made AND a moral issue.

Here's my favorite one...

https://www.catholicvote.org/keeping-track-of-truths-why-catechism-doesnt-equal-magisterium/

In here, the author uses the Catechism as an example of something that contains magisterial teaching (pope and bishops) AND common teaching (theologians etc...) of which only the magisterial components requires assent. The author's point is that Christians (Catholics to be specific) don't have to believe EVERYTHING in the Catechism - only the magisterial stuff. But the Pope's Encyclical *IS* magisterial. So I guess the Catechism was a bad example. LOL.

Anyway, I'm hoping this Laudato Si' Encyclical can bring the Christian Right more in-line with reality with respect to global warming because the only thing their crack-pot attempt at counter-science is doing is making us laugh.
Wow... so apparently this is something Christian c... (show quote)


I think you scare them straightup

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Jun 29, 2015 15:34:13   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
It's hard to see it any other way. It seems fairly common for political factions to pose as religious factions for the obvious benefit of gaining popular support among those who are weak on education and strong on faith. This is why I separate Islam from the terrorists because I think it's essentially the same thing (political factions leveraging religious popularity). At least Christians aren't running around chopping off heads, but those Christians on the right almost always seem to be the first to defend the geopolitical forces that have killed millions of people for commercial gain.
It's hard to see it any other way. It seems fairly... (show quote)


straightUP-the Pope has a right to his opinion. The reason he needs to stay out of politics is that the IRS will use that to take away the church's tax exempt status. The Pope probably does not realize how devious our government is. i agree that man pollutes too much but nobody has proven that Climate Change is man made. Maybe he received a generous contribution from the scientific community and is now a spokesperson. Need money to feed the poor in the third world. Bernie Sanders needs to draft the Pope as his VP. lol Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 29, 2015 17:44:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
I think you scare them straightup

Everything scares them Anigav.

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Jun 29, 2015 17:53:28   #
Anigav6969
 
straightUp wrote:
Everything scares them Anigav.


Good point

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Jun 29, 2015 20:24:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Ricko wrote:
straightUP-the Pope has a right to his opinion. The reason he needs to stay out of politics is that the IRS will use that to take away the church's tax exempt status. The Pope probably does not realize how devious our government is.

You apparently have a very casual idea of who the Pope is. The kind of people that can be oblivious to the degree of corruption, malice and deceit in our country or any other country do not become popes. Also, the IRS is not authorized to levy taxes or even modify tax laws, they are tasked with facilitating the collection of of taxes for the U.S. Treasury and for auditing transactions to prevent cheating. Also, you're trying to make tax exemption look like something the Vatican has any interest in. Dude... the Vatican...
Google the Vatican's central bank and tell me if you think they look like they need a fucking break from the IRS. And finally, yes, the Pope has a right to his own opinion, as a mortal human. But that isn't all this is. I don't know how religious you are but according to many of those who are, the "opinion" that he recently published, his "Laudato Si' Encyclical", is written as a magisterial teaching, which from the perspective of the flock means the Word of God.

But by all means, consider the possibility that tax policy may be the exception to the Word of God, Right?

Ricko wrote:
i agree that man pollutes too much but nobody has proven that Climate Change is man made.

No one is say they have. What the scientists are saying is that they have reached consensus, which they have actually described as 98% probable. So for the rest of us it's a matter of playing the odds and being smart.

Ricko wrote:
Maybe he received a generous contribution from the scientific community and is now a spokesperson. Need money to feed the poor in the third world.

Yeah, there we go... Have you ever seen the struggle scientists actually go through to fund what they are trying to do? Research and development is a cost center for every organization that supports one. Get real.

Ricko wrote:
Bernie Sanders needs to draft the Pope as his VP. lol Good Luck America !!!

LOL... yeah, OK - that was a good one.

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