DHS insider: Its about to get very ugly (Page 5): Rumitoid is attempting an appeal to emotion over and against fact. I oppose such behavior. Do you? The fact is embryonic stem cell...

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

AvJoe wrote:

Allow me to make sure of what you are saying. You are advocating the use of live human beings in experiments on a non-voluntary basis in order to promote science. I wasn't aware of the acceptance or legality of human experimentation. Question if this was a legal acceptable (not to mention morally) practice how would we choose on whom to experiment ? Perhaps you would like to volunteer?

Rumitoid is attempting an appeal to emotion over and against fact. I oppose such behavior. Do you?

The fact is embryonic stem cell research is using an involuntary human in scientific research, by permission of the people who chose to kill that human. What is your issue? What exactly is your objection?

Yankee Clipper

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AvJoe wrote:

Allow me to make sure of what you are saying. u ... (show quote)

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

Is using humans for scientific experiments "anti-science. No, but alot of people have objections to it on moral grounds.

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

Don't believe George W. capable of grabbing his A*... (show quote)

PS, to NSA, DoJ, FBI, DHS and any other government entity who may be reading this, mind eigin fyrirtæki þitt and of course, Ascendo Tuum!

AvJoe

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

Rumitoid is attempting an appeal to emotion over and against fact. I oppose such behavior. Do you?

The fact is embryonic stem cell research is using an involuntary human in scientific research, by permission of the people who chose to kill that human. What is your issue? What exactly is your objection?

Question (and I am aware I am opening a can of worms here) When does life begin?

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

Question (and I am aware I am opening a can of worms here) When does life begin? I believe you know the answer to that question, why open the can on this topic, start a new one on the subject yourself. This is off topic.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

AvJoe wrote:

Question (and I am aware I am opening a can of worms here) When does life begin?

You need to ask scientifically. Or spiritually. Or metaphysically. Because the answer may change depending on the adverb.

AvJoe

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

You need to ask scientifically. Or spiritually. Or metaphysically. Because the answer may change depending on the adverb.

That is a good thought Augustus and deeply philosophical.

AvJoe

Yankee good morning. Yes it is a philosophical question but it also a political question, and by the way I was only jesting about being afraid to open the topic up. I am sure opinions will vary greatly. I have to go out but when I return a new page will be created. THINK!

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

Yankee good morning. Yes it is a philosophical question but it also a political question, and by the way I was only jesting about being afraid to open the topic up. I am sure opinions will vary greatly. I have to go out but when I return a new page will be created. THINK!

What I was trying to say is make it its own topic stir the pot and see what kind and how many responses it brings in on its own.

AvJoe

Yankee Clipper wrote:

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I don't believe I have put words in anyone's mouth YC. We are talking about the use (as in Nazi Germany) of live human beings for scientific experimentation. Let me make that perfectly clear.
2. Further as for so called dribble you seem to be doing a bit of misstatement and "dribbling" yourself.
3. If we can talk here about the use of "live" humans and since there is certainly a moral, ethical and legal question (if the right to lifers are correct) we need to talk about when legally or other wise life begins and/or ends. AND SO THE DISCUSSION BEGINS!

AvJoe

Yankee Clipper wrote:

PS, to NSA, DoJ, FBI, DHS and any other government entity who may be reading this, mind eigin fyrirtæki þitt and of course, Ascendo Tuum!

CLOSED MINDS DO NOT LEARN

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

CLOSED MINDS DO NOT LEARN

Do you know what it says? It has nothing to do about a closed mind. I don't like the government spying on its citizens.

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe wrote:

I don't believe I have put words in anyone's mouth YC. Yankee Clipper: It appears to me you tried. We are talking about the use (as in Nazi Germany) of live human beings for scientific experimentation. Let me make that perfectly clear. By AvJoe to Augustus: You are advocating the use of live human beings in experiments on a non-voluntary basis in order to promote science. Repeated by Yankee Clipper from earlier comment on this topic: Unless I missed it, somewhere in an earlier post by Augustus, you are putting words into his mouth that he didn't say. If he did say that in this conversation find it and reference it for all to see. If you can't do that them you are being dishonest to the readers of this site. I am still looking for the reference to Augustus' statement of using live humans for experiments. Let's ask Augustus what he said, because I don't think he said what you have tried to imply. Now I think you are smarter than to do that unless you have an agenda to pursue.
2. Further as for so called dribble you seem to be doing a bit of misstatement and "dribbling" yourself. Yankee Clipper: I called it drivel, not dribble. I can take it, quote me and show me where I am off base.
3. If we can talk here about the use of "live" humans and since there is certainly a moral, ethical and legal question (if the right to lifers are correct) we need to talk about when legally or other wise life begins and/or ends. AND SO THE DISCUSSION BEGINS! Yankee Clipper: Life begins at conception period, I am not a doctor, so I cannot tell you when that life is viable outside the womb. I myself was a premy, almost 4 months early, but survived at a time that most born that early did not. Now days there are lots of ways to keep premies going. At what point do you consider a fetus viable and therefore aborting it would be the same as murder. How do you define death, braindead, or when they bloat and start to smell? I believe I asked you to start a new topic on this, it deserves to stand alone rather than be just tossed into an unrelated topic. How about it?

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ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

KC,

Your thoughts seem viable, but consider the bigger picture. This conspiracy runs very deep beginning decades ago, perhaps centuries! A group of bankers got together to form the privately owned Federal Reserve System and their thugs the IRS. Over time our money was taken off the gold standard, then the silver. Today we have fiat money based solely on debt. We the People are being conned into paying interest to the banks on worthless money. This group of individuals created communism and backed Hitler and the Axis powers during WWII. Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and all the isms are the children of these bankers.

Useful Idiots of this axis of EVIL are convinced by EMOTIONAL knee jerk slogans and 30 second sound bites. Logic and reason is lost on them.

It all is a PONZI Scheme to enslave the poor to enrich the few. Communism fools the low information individual into supporting their own enslavement. EVIL doers in the form of bankers seek a one world government of FASCISM. Defined as a alliance of banks, corporations and government. The political class rule over everybody else. Everybody else serves the STATE.