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Jul 2, 2013 03:03:48   #
Yankee Clipper
 
rumitoid wrote:
You guys need to read more history without a jaundiced eye. If there is a real threat of a Nazi-like take-over of the US, the Tea Party have all the traditional signs: suppression of women, anti-tradition, anti-science, anti-minority, anti-intellectualism, religious fanatics, purists, dumb, divisive, unreasonable, and angry.


You have no idea what your are talking about you are a joke, quit wasting every ones time. I'd like t tear into you but it isn't even worth it.

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Jul 2, 2013 03:18:58   #
rumitoid
 
Nice rebuttal, yankeeclipper. I'll be from Missouri for the moment: "Show me!"

How should I take your inability to write a sentence in clear English? Why should I listen to you if you offer no support for your defense of neocons and just insult? What I said may sound insulting, until you listen to that side. Like Bachman. The woman has said the most outright stupid and mean-spirited things. Google her felony dumb rap sheet. Palin the same. Engels and O'Donnell. West. And so many more. This does not make what the Tea Party stands for wrong; it just makes it too hard to digest for a thinking person.

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Jul 2, 2013 09:34:14   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
rumitoid wrote:
You guys need to read more history without a jaundiced eye. If there is a real threat of a Nazi-like take-over of the US, the Tea Party have all the traditional signs: suppression of women, anti-tradition, anti-science, anti-minority, anti-intellectualism, religious fanatics, purists, dumb, divisive, unreasonable, and angry.


The Nazis were anti-science? Do you have any information to back that up?

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Jul 2, 2013 10:58:27   #
AZ BOB
 
Interesting, Patriot Act by Bush and Chaney. Funny all this time I thought the Constitution gave that power to the Congress. I guess I still think the Congress in total (majority) was Democrat at that time in 2008, the house and the Senate. Thanks for the correction.
You do know Regan was President when they passed 50% of SS "could" be taxed, under Clinton it was changed to 85%. Please do not tell me Presidents can change tax laws also!!!!

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Jul 2, 2013 11:19:46   #
AvJoe
 
russ1945 wrote:
Does the term Capitalism come to mind. If you don't see Obama for the anti-capitalist that he is then you have over done it with the kool aid. The Obama Executive branch has far exceeded any administration in recent history and if they get the majority on the Supreme Court then it is game set match.
Seriously, Obama stands out heads and shoulders above those prior administrations you refer to regarding power grabbing. The DOJ, HHS, IRS, on and on, this is an administration gone wild. Every Presdent has to stand on his own record, Obama can't even stand on his own two feet. In retrospect no POTUS has ever done as much to divide a nation than Obama has.
Does the term Capitalism come to mind. If you don... (show quote)


I believe you have missed the point. The attempts of one branch (usually the Executive or to a lesser degree the legislative branch) to usurp the powers of another branch has gone on for a long time. Now that you have admitted by your statement, the continuing existence of this phenomena the only questions left are the degree of the breach and how to end it.

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Jul 2, 2013 11:22:36   #
AvJoe
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
The Nazis were anti-science? Do you have any information to back that up?


Is using humans for scientific experiments "anti-science.

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Jul 2, 2013 11:29:02   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
The Dutchman wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And the useful idiots that support this obozo are to stupid to comprehend the FACT that the obozo was educated in these teachings and hates this country so much he is implementing those teachings...


" ... toO stupid ... ," stupid.

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Jul 2, 2013 11:35:59   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
[quote=AuntiE]No one disagrees the Patriot Act is an abomination and a violation of not only the 4th Amendment but the 1st as well. Having said that, the current administration has put it on steroids and Congress has allowed it. It needs to be overturned NOW!
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Doesn't it seem odd to you that both Obama and G.W. Bush both promote the Patriot Act? Doesn't that indicate that there are others pulling the strings of the presidency?

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Jul 2, 2013 11:40:40   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
KG wrote:
Oh, thank God for this paragraph.

I was getting worried there for a bit while reading this article. It sounded like it could be authentic... and scary. But the part about Marxist takeover pretty much discredited the whole thing.

Why would the top 0.01% want to change the system that makes them the top 0.01% in the first place?

Government wanting more power and less opposition makes sense. That's just the nature of the government. Any government. But the whole Marxist thing was a bit too much in this fiction piece. I think the author just got carried away and overdid it a bit with the drama.
Oh, thank God for this paragraph. br br I was get... (show quote)


Correction: It's actually about 2%.

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Jul 2, 2013 11:46:41   #
AvJoe
 
[quote=Lasher]
AuntiE wrote:
No one disagrees the Patriot Act is an abomination and a violation of not only the 4th Amendment but the 1st as well. Having said that, the current administration has put it on steroids and Congress has allowed it. It needs to be overturned NOW!
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Doesn't it seem odd to you that both Obama and G.W. Bush both promote the Patriot Act? Doesn't that indicate that there are others pulling the strings of the presidency?


Don't believe George W. capable of grabbing his A** with both hands but President Obama needs to reconsider some policy decisions especially in regard to national security v. constitutional rights.

There I said it just because you basically support (or don't support a president (or party) it does not mean you have to follow (or object to) everything that person does or supports.

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Jul 2, 2013 11:48:25   #
AvJoe
 
AvJoe wrote:
Don't believe George W. capable of grabbing his A** with both hands but President Obama needs to reconsider some policy decisions especially in regard to national security v. constitutional rights.

There I said it just because you basically support (or don't support a president (or party) it does not mean you have to follow (or object to) everything that person does or supports.


I apologize for the structure of that last sentence but I think you know what I mean.

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Jul 2, 2013 12:17:26   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
AvJoe wrote:
Is using humans for scientific experiments "anti-science.


What other scientific means of learning about humans is there, but to experiment upon them?

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Jul 2, 2013 12:38:05   #
AvJoe
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
What other scientific means of learning about humans is there, but to experiment upon them?


Allow me to make sure of what you are saying. You are advocating the use of live human beings in experiments on a non-voluntary basis in order to promote science. I wasn't aware of the acceptance or legality of human experimentation. Question if this was a legal acceptable (not to mention morally) practice how would we choose on whom to experiment ? Perhaps you would like to volunteer?

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Jul 2, 2013 13:53:53   #
AZ BOB
 
to:av joe
My response was to Mr rumitiod statements blaming the Patriot act on Cheney and Bush with an overwhelming Democratic Congress??
I agree on the 3 Powers of Government overreaching there responsibilities and that is covered in the Constitution along with the Federalist Papers. Impeachment, Amendments and or Nullification.
Personally I can see no other way but to fix the root cause that caused and is causing most of these transgressions of the Constitution.
copy paste : "Article V project to restore Liberty-table of contents"
I would be interested in you reply.

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Jul 2, 2013 14:22:18   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
AvJoe wrote:
Allow me to make sure of what you are saying. You are advocating the use of live human beings in experiments on a non-voluntary basis in order to promote science. I wasn't aware of the acceptance or legality of human experimentation. Question if this was a legal acceptable (not to mention morally) practice how would we choose on whom to experiment ? Perhaps you would like to volunteer?


Advocating? I am expressing the fact that science is not compassion or concern for a subject of study. And the Nazis were practicing pure science. There was nothing opposing science in their approach. To assert they were anti-science is to assert a fallacy.

Their intellectualism was the same.The assertions Rumitoid made are categorically false.

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