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Jun 19, 2018 17:11:16   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterday (June 18), President Donald Trump ordered the Pentagon to get cracking on building a sixth branch of the U.S. military called the Space Force.

This ambitious project, which Trump has been teasing for several months now, would result in the first new branch being added to the U.S. military since the Air Force was created in 1947. But what exactly will this Space Force do? Who will pay for it, when will it launch and — most important — will it involve lightsabers?

None of that is really clear yet. Since first bringing up the idea for a Space Force in March, Trump hasn't provided many concrete details about the project, save for some philosophical talk about recognizing space as "a war-fighting domain" and assuring "American dominance" there.

While this sort of language might conjure up images of interstellar laser battles or armadas of hovering battleships, the reality of American space security is far less scintillating. According to Laura Grego, a senior scientist in the Global Security Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, space security mainly involves keeping other countries away from American satellites. [22 Weirdest Military Weapons]

"The U.S. military is strongly underpinned by a very capable satellite fleet," Grego told Live Science. "And the U.S. is in the middle of trying to figure out what its strategy should be to keep its satellites safe. I see this push to have a Space Force as just one other feature of doing this."

What is space security?

Since 1984, the U.S. Air Force has put more than 280 satellites into orbit. (The most recent one — a missile-detection satellite named USA-282 — was launched in January.) These satellites do everything from predicting the weather, to monitoring ballistic-missile launches, to helping soldiers call their families, Grego said. They are crucial for surveillance, reconnaissance, navigation and communication — and every branch of the military relies on them.

Certainly, preventing foreign nations frominterfering with these satellites — say, by jamming their sensors or hacking into their networks and stealing information — is a paramount national security concern, Grego said. A Space Force, presumably, would take charge of protecting and maintaining America's space capabilities.

The trouble is, the U.S. military already has an agency that does this.

"The Air Force does most of this," Grego said.

In 1982, the Air Force formed a new agency called The Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). According to the AFSPC's website, the command's mission is "to provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

This portfolio includes commanding and controlling government satellites, helping NASA and private companies conduct rocket launches, monitoring space junk that could interfere with American space missions and generally "maintaining space superiority."

Today, the agency employs more than 35,000 people.

The final frontier of bureaucracy
So, why separate space security from the Air Force after more than 30 years? To Grego, the reasoning is not clear. If created, the Space Force runs the risk of adding another layer of bureaucracy to an already complicated system, she said.

"Space and space access right now are really part and parcel of the other things that the military does," Grego said. "Space Force holds them separate where they might be better integrated."

The Pentagon tends to agree.

"The Pentagon is complicated enough," Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told reporters last June, after dismissing an armed services bill that proposed the creation of a new space-based military branch. "This will make it more complex, add more boxes to the organization chart and cost more money. If I had more money, I would put it into lethality, not bureaucracy."

Originally published on Live Science.

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Jun 19, 2018 17:12:56   #
moldyoldy
 
Space Farce.

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Jun 19, 2018 17:23:52   #
bahmer
 
badbobby wrote:
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterday (June 18), President Donald Trump ordered the Pentagon to get cracking on building a sixth branch of the U.S. military called the Space Force.

This ambitious project, which Trump has been teasing for several months now, would result in the first new branch being added to the U.S. military since the Air Force was created in 1947. But what exactly will this Space Force do? Who will pay for it, when will it launch and — most important — will it involve lightsabers?

None of that is really clear yet. Since first bringing up the idea for a Space Force in March, Trump hasn't provided many concrete details about the project, save for some philosophical talk about recognizing space as "a war-fighting domain" and assuring "American dominance" there.

While this sort of language might conjure up images of interstellar laser battles or armadas of hovering battleships, the reality of American space security is far less scintillating. According to Laura Grego, a senior scientist in the Global Security Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, space security mainly involves keeping other countries away from American satellites. [22 Weirdest Military Weapons]

"The U.S. military is strongly underpinned by a very capable satellite fleet," Grego told Live Science. "And the U.S. is in the middle of trying to figure out what its strategy should be to keep its satellites safe. I see this push to have a Space Force as just one other feature of doing this."

What is space security?

Since 1984, the U.S. Air Force has put more than 280 satellites into orbit. (The most recent one — a missile-detection satellite named USA-282 — was launched in January.) These satellites do everything from predicting the weather, to monitoring ballistic-missile launches, to helping soldiers call their families, Grego said. They are crucial for surveillance, reconnaissance, navigation and communication — and every branch of the military relies on them.

Certainly, preventing foreign nations frominterfering with these satellites — say, by jamming their sensors or hacking into their networks and stealing information — is a paramount national security concern, Grego said. A Space Force, presumably, would take charge of protecting and maintaining America's space capabilities.

The trouble is, the U.S. military already has an agency that does this.

"The Air Force does most of this," Grego said.

In 1982, the Air Force formed a new agency called The Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). According to the AFSPC's website, the command's mission is "to provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

This portfolio includes commanding and controlling government satellites, helping NASA and private companies conduct rocket launches, monitoring space junk that could interfere with American space missions and generally "maintaining space superiority."

Today, the agency employs more than 35,000 people.

The final frontier of bureaucracy
So, why separate space security from the Air Force after more than 30 years? To Grego, the reasoning is not clear. If created, the Space Force runs the risk of adding another layer of bureaucracy to an already complicated system, she said.

"Space and space access right now are really part and parcel of the other things that the military does," Grego said. "Space Force holds them separate where they might be better integrated."

The Pentagon tends to agree.

"The Pentagon is complicated enough," Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told reporters last June, after dismissing an armed services bill that proposed the creation of a new space-based military branch. "This will make it more complex, add more boxes to the organization chart and cost more money. If I had more money, I would put it into lethality, not bureaucracy."

Originally published on Live Science.
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterda... (show quote)


Those dastardly Marines do take up space no one can deny
that but what force they provide is indeed questionable.
The more Slats eats the more space he consumes so I guess
that we could use all of the dastardly Marines in this elite
club of taking up space. It would put them to good use and
they could then pay badbobby their past due I.O.U.'s

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Jun 19, 2018 17:58:44   #
rjoeholl
 
The Army Air Corps was already doing the job when the Air Force was created. They figured out that keeping tract of land battles and air battles at the same time was almost impossible. Thus, the creation of the USAF. Space is a completely new battle environment so maybe we should have an armed service branch dedicated to it. IMO, what's yours?

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Jun 19, 2018 18:49:32   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Space Farce.


now moldy
you know how you are when you get started

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Jun 19, 2018 18:53:34   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
rjoeholl wrote:
The Army Air Corps was already doing the job when the Air Force was created. They figured out that keeping tract of land battles and air battles at the same time was almost impossible. Thus, the creation of the USAF. Space is a completely new battle environment so maybe we should have an armed service branch dedicated to it. IMO, what's yours?


someone must be over our space program
but the Air Force can prolly handle the job
why create another branch of the service?
they would just cry for more money-more money-more money

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Jun 19, 2018 18:57:38   #
bahmer
 
badbobby wrote:
someone must be over our space program
but the Air Force can prolly handle the job
why create another branch of the service?
they would just cry for more money-more money-more money


But since it is in outer space does it really constitute the USAF
Maybe a special group called the USSF for the United States Space Force.
That would give it a designation separate from the USAF and make them separate.

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Jun 19, 2018 20:40:52   #
moldyoldy
 
Trump is not aware that we have treaties that limit military activities in space

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Jun 20, 2018 06:17:38   #
Big Kahuna
 
bahmer wrote:
Those dastardly Marines do take up space no one can deny
that but what force they provide is indeed questionable.
The more Slats eats the more space he consumes so I guess
that we could use all of the dastardly Marines in this elite
club of taking up space. It would put them to good use and
they could then pay badbobby their past due I.O.U.'s
Those dastardly Marines do take up space no one ca... (show quote)


Bahmer, quit taking up time and space, something you have been doing your whole life.

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Jun 20, 2018 06:18:35   #
Big Kahuna
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump is not aware that we have treaties that limit military activities in space


Quit taking up space on OPP!!

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Jun 20, 2018 06:20:35   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
badbobby wrote:
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterday (June 18), President Donald Trump ordered the Pentagon to get cracking on building a sixth branch of the U.S. military called the Space Force.

This ambitious project, which Trump has been teasing for several months now, would result in the first new branch being added to the U.S. military since the Air Force was created in 1947. But what exactly will this Space Force do? Who will pay for it, when will it launch and — most important — will it involve lightsabers?

None of that is really clear yet. Since first bringing up the idea for a Space Force in March, Trump hasn't provided many concrete details about the project, save for some philosophical talk about recognizing space as "a war-fighting domain" and assuring "American dominance" there.

While this sort of language might conjure up images of interstellar laser battles or armadas of hovering battleships, the reality of American space security is far less scintillating. According to Laura Grego, a senior scientist in the Global Security Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, space security mainly involves keeping other countries away from American satellites. [22 Weirdest Military Weapons]

"The U.S. military is strongly underpinned by a very capable satellite fleet," Grego told Live Science. "And the U.S. is in the middle of trying to figure out what its strategy should be to keep its satellites safe. I see this push to have a Space Force as just one other feature of doing this."

What is space security?

Since 1984, the U.S. Air Force has put more than 280 satellites into orbit. (The most recent one — a missile-detection satellite named USA-282 — was launched in January.) These satellites do everything from predicting the weather, to monitoring ballistic-missile launches, to helping soldiers call their families, Grego said. They are crucial for surveillance, reconnaissance, navigation and communication — and every branch of the military relies on them.

Certainly, preventing foreign nations frominterfering with these satellites — say, by jamming their sensors or hacking into their networks and stealing information — is a paramount national security concern, Grego said. A Space Force, presumably, would take charge of protecting and maintaining America's space capabilities.

The trouble is, the U.S. military already has an agency that does this.

"The Air Force does most of this," Grego said.

In 1982, the Air Force formed a new agency called The Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). According to the AFSPC's website, the command's mission is "to provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

This portfolio includes commanding and controlling government satellites, helping NASA and private companies conduct rocket launches, monitoring space junk that could interfere with American space missions and generally "maintaining space superiority."

Today, the agency employs more than 35,000 people.

The final frontier of bureaucracy
So, why separate space security from the Air Force after more than 30 years? To Grego, the reasoning is not clear. If created, the Space Force runs the risk of adding another layer of bureaucracy to an already complicated system, she said.

"Space and space access right now are really part and parcel of the other things that the military does," Grego said. "Space Force holds them separate where they might be better integrated."

The Pentagon tends to agree.

"The Pentagon is complicated enough," Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told reporters last June, after dismissing an armed services bill that proposed the creation of a new space-based military branch. "This will make it more complex, add more boxes to the organization chart and cost more money. If I had more money, I would put it into lethality, not bureaucracy."

Originally published on Live Science.
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterda... (show quote)


how about dumb liberal force ?? they can be the 1st to go to mars & stay !!!!!!!!

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Jun 20, 2018 09:50:22   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
badbobby wrote:
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterday (June 18), President Donald Trump ordered the Pentagon to get cracking on building a sixth branch of the U.S. military called the Space Force.

This ambitious project, which Trump has been teasing for several months now, would result in the first new branch being added to the U.S. military since the Air Force was created in 1947. But what exactly will this Space Force do? Who will pay for it, when will it launch and — most important — will it involve lightsabers?

None of that is really clear yet. Since first bringing up the idea for a Space Force in March, Trump hasn't provided many concrete details about the project, save for some philosophical talk about recognizing space as "a war-fighting domain" and assuring "American dominance" there.

While this sort of language might conjure up images of interstellar laser battles or armadas of hovering battleships, the reality of American space security is far less scintillating. According to Laura Grego, a senior scientist in the Global Security Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, space security mainly involves keeping other countries away from American satellites. [22 Weirdest Military Weapons]

"The U.S. military is strongly underpinned by a very capable satellite fleet," Grego told Live Science. "And the U.S. is in the middle of trying to figure out what its strategy should be to keep its satellites safe. I see this push to have a Space Force as just one other feature of doing this."

What is space security?

Since 1984, the U.S. Air Force has put more than 280 satellites into orbit. (The most recent one — a missile-detection satellite named USA-282 — was launched in January.) These satellites do everything from predicting the weather, to monitoring ballistic-missile launches, to helping soldiers call their families, Grego said. They are crucial for surveillance, reconnaissance, navigation and communication — and every branch of the military relies on them.

Certainly, preventing foreign nations frominterfering with these satellites — say, by jamming their sensors or hacking into their networks and stealing information — is a paramount national security concern, Grego said. A Space Force, presumably, would take charge of protecting and maintaining America's space capabilities.

The trouble is, the U.S. military already has an agency that does this.

"The Air Force does most of this," Grego said.

In 1982, the Air Force formed a new agency called The Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). According to the AFSPC's website, the command's mission is "to provide resilient and affordable space and cyberspace capabilities for the Joint Force and the Nation."

This portfolio includes commanding and controlling government satellites, helping NASA and private companies conduct rocket launches, monitoring space junk that could interfere with American space missions and generally "maintaining space superiority."

Today, the agency employs more than 35,000 people.

The final frontier of bureaucracy
So, why separate space security from the Air Force after more than 30 years? To Grego, the reasoning is not clear. If created, the Space Force runs the risk of adding another layer of bureaucracy to an already complicated system, she said.

"Space and space access right now are really part and parcel of the other things that the military does," Grego said. "Space Force holds them separate where they might be better integrated."

The Pentagon tends to agree.

"The Pentagon is complicated enough," Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told reporters last June, after dismissing an armed services bill that proposed the creation of a new space-based military branch. "This will make it more complex, add more boxes to the organization chart and cost more money. If I had more money, I would put it into lethality, not bureaucracy."

Originally published on Live Science.
n a meeting of the National Space Council yesterda... (show quote)


One reason for a Space Force is to protect our satellites. China and Russia have developed missiles that can take out our satellites. Another is it's never a good idea to have to depend on hitching a ride to the space station with Russia. China has already started plans to explore the dark side of the moon. Sounds like that want to build something no one can see, plus ancient Chinese history says they have already gone to the moon.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:36:51   #
moldyoldy
 
Peewee wrote:
One reason for a Space Force is to protect our satellites. China and Russia have developed missiles that can take out our satellites. Another is it's never a good idea to have to depend on hitching a ride to the space station with Russia. China has already started plans to explore the dark side of the moon. Sounds like that want to build something no one can see, plus ancient Chinese history says they have already gone to the moon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

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Jun 20, 2018 11:53:15   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty


moldy

how many treaties have either been ignored or broken?
do you really think anyone will pay attention to the treaty?

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Jun 20, 2018 12:06:16   #
moldyoldy
 
badbobby wrote:
moldy

how many treaties have either been ignored or broken?
do you really think anyone will pay attention to the treaty?


Not much is hidden these days, so if trump blunders into things that he does not understand, which is just about everything, we can wind up with disaster.

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