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Jun 20, 2018 09:42:08   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
bdamage wrote:
And for the skeptics....lets not forget what "they" chiseled in stone, out in the open for all to see...

The Georgia Guidestones: 10 Masonic Commandments

Standing in the remote location of Elbert County, Georgia resides what is known as the American Stonehenge, or the Georgia Guidestones. Purposely placed in nature’s grasp, undisturbed by city life, this massive monument has an alarming message to convey to the world. Although the message is a beautiful ideal—tracing its roots back to the concept of a Utopia—it also entails sinister prospects for the future of humanity.

The message is considered as the new 10 commandments for an age governed by reason. They read as follows:

1 – Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

2 – Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.

3 – Unite humanity with a living new language.

4 – Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.

5 – Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

6 – Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7 – Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

8 – Balance personal rights with social duties.

9 – Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.

10 – Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature.

The Meaning of its Messages

Although the 10 “guides” are somewhat vague, they raise 5 main areas of interest:

1) Reducing the Population by 80-90%

2) Eugenics or Transhumanism

3) World Government System

4) New-Earth based Religion

5) Sustainable Development

Source and full article:
http://scribol.com/anthropology-and-history/occult/the-georgia-guidestones-10-masonic-commandments/

This was already prophesized 2,000 years ago in Revelations.
And for the skeptics....lets not forget what "... (show quote)


for those that really want to know who is behind a world government/a New World Order; study the Bilderberg Group and their Council on foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission (TC).

The de-industrialization of America has been by design.


The Council on Foreign Relations and the New World Order
By Charles Overbeck (PSCPirhana) Matrix Editor
The Council on Foreign Relations, housed in the Harold Pratt House on East 68th Street in New York City, was founded in 1921. In 1922, it began publishing a journal called Foreign Affairs. According to Foreign Affairs' web page (http://www.foreignaffairs.org), the CFR was founded when "...several of the American participants in the Paris Peace Conference decided that it was time for more private American Citizens to become familiar with the increasing international responsibilities and obligations of the United States."
The first question that comes to mind is, who gave these people the authority to decide the responsibilities and obligations of the United States, if that power was not granted to them by the Constitution. Furthermore, the CFR's web page doesn't publicize the fact that it was originally conceived as part of a much larger network of power.
According to the CFR's Handbook of 1936, several leading members of the delegations to the Paris Peace Conference met at the Hotel Majestic in Paris on May 30, 1919, "to discuss setting up an international group which would advise their respective governments on international affairs."
The Handbook goes on to say, "At a meeting on June 5, 1919, the planners decided it would be best to have separate organizations cooperating with each other. Consequently, they organized the Council on Foreign Relations, with headquarters in New York, and a sister organization, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, in London, also known as the Chatham House Study Group, to advise the British Government. A subsidiary organization, the Institute of Pacific Relations, was set up to deal exclusively with Far Eastern Affairs. Other organizations were set up in Paris and Hamburg..."
The 3,000 seats of the CFR quickly filled with members of America's elite. Today, CFR members occupy key positions in government, the mass media, financial institutions, multinational corporations, the military, and the national security apparatus.
Since its inception, the CFR has served as an intermediary between high finance, big oil, corporate elitists and the U.S. government. The executive branch changes hands between Republican and Democratic administrations, but cabinet seats are always held by CFR members. It has been said by political commentators on the left and on the right that if you want to know what U.S. foreign policy will be next year, you should read Foreign Affairs this year.
The CFR's claim that "The Council has no affiliation with the U.S. government" is laughable. The justification for that statement is that funding comes from member dues, subscriptions to its Corporate Program, foundation grants, and so forth. All this really means is that the U.S. government does not exert any control over the CFR via the purse strings.
In reality, CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members, beginning with CFR founding member Allen Dulles. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Almost all White House cabinet positions are occupied by CFR members. President Clinton, himself a member of the CFR, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, employs almost one hundred CFR members in his administration. Presidents come and go, but the CFR's power--and agenda--always remains.
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The CFR's Shroud of Secretcy
On its web page, the CFR boasts that its magazine, Foreign Affairs, "is acclaimed for its analysis of recent international developments and for its forecasts of emerging trends." It's not much of a challenge to do so, though, when you play a part in determining what those emerging trends will be.
This point is underscored a paragraph later on their web page: "Perhaps best known for the history-making "X" article by George Kennan, that defined Cold War containment policy, a recent Foreign Affairs article by Harvard's Samuel Huntington, "The Clash of Civilizations?" has already helped define the post-Cold War debate."
So are they predicting trends or creating them? The answer is fairly obvious to anyone who has earnestly reflected on the matter.
The CFR fancies itself to represent a diverse range cultural and political interests, but its members are predominantly wealthy males, and their policies reflect their elitist biases.
The CFR attempts to maintain the charade of diversity via its Non-Attribution Rule, which allows members to engage in "a free, frank, and open exchange of ideas" without fear of having any of their statements attributed in public. The flip side of this, obviously, is a dark cloud of secrecy which envelopes the CFR's activities.
CFR meetings are usually held in secret and are restricted to members and very select guests. All members are free to express themselves at meetings unrestrained, because the Non-Attribution Rule guarantees that "others will not attribute or characterize their statements in public media forums or knowingly transmit them to persons who will," according to the Council on Foreign Relations' 1992 Annual Report.
The report goes on to forbid any meeting participant "to publish a speaker's statement in attributed form in any newspaper; to repeat it on television or radio, or on a speaker's platform, or in a classroom; or to go beyond a memo of limited circulation."
The end result is that the only information the public has on the CFR is the information they release for public consumption, which should send up red flags for anyone who understands the immense effect that CFR directives have on America's foreign policy. The public knows what the CFR wants the public to know about the CFR, and nothing more.
There is one hole in the fog of secrecy, however: a book entitled Tragedy and Hope, written by an "insider" named Dr. Carroll Quigley, mentor of Bill Clinton.
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Tragedy and Hope: The Global Elite
Dr. Quigley knew a lot about the behind-the-scenes work of global power because he was a part of that power network for most of his life. In his book, Tragedy and Hope, Quigley states:
"I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversions to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies ... but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."
The "Hope" in the title of Quigley's book represents the thousand-year reign of a collectivist one-world society which will be created when the "network" achieves its goal of world government. Quigley believed that the "network" is so powerful at this point that resistance by the common people is futile. Hence, those who resist the schemes of the globalist planners represent the "Tragedy." By Dr. Quigley's logic, there is no point in struggling against the noose around our necks, because resistance will merely guarantee strangulation.
Dr. Quigley identified the "network" as the "international bankers," men who were "different from ordinary bankers in distinctive ways: they were cosmopolitan and international; they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with questions of government debts...; they were almost exclusively devoted to secrecy and the secret use of financial influence in political life. These bankers came to be called international bankers, and, more particularly, were known as merchant bankers in England, private bankers in France, and investment bankers in the United States."
The core of control, according to Dr. Quigley, resides in the financial dynasties of Europe and America who exercise political control through international financial combines. The primary tactic of control is lending money at high interest to governments and monarchs during times of crisis. An example of this is the current national debt in the U.S., which is at five trillion dollars right now. Every penny of it is owed to the Federal Reserve, a corporation comprised of thirteen private banks.
According to Dr. Quigley, the Council on Foreign Relations is one of several front organizations set up by the network's inner circle to advance its schemes. The ultimate goal: a New World Order.
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CFR and the New World Order
According to State Department Publication 2349, submitted by secretary of State and CFR member Edward Stettinius, a committee on "post-war problems" was set up before the end of 1939 at the suggestion of the CFR. In other words, two years before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the CFR was planning how to order the world after the war ended.
In 1946, the Rockefeller Foundation spent almost $140,000 to produce a history of how the United States entered World War II. This history was intended to counter "revisionist" historians who argued that the U.S. was "tricked" into the war by the Roosevelt Administration. The Rockefeller family has always taken a lead role in the CFR.
In the 1960s, while American men and women were dying in the jungles of Vietnam and while the military/industrial complex was sucking trillions of dollars out of American taxpayers' wallets, the Rockefeller dynasty was financing Vietnamese oil refineries and aluminum plants. If there had ever been a formal declaration of war, the Rockefellers could be tried for treason. Instead, they reaped dividends.
These are just a few of the abuses of power which demonstrate the results of the power elite's manipulations of our destiny as a society. If you've ever wondered why you don't hear about this network of power, just take a look at the CFR's membership roster (posted online in ParaScope). Many of the chief executives and newspeople at CBS, NBC/RCA, ABC, the Public Broadcast Service, the Associated Press, the New York Times, Time magazine, Newsweek, the Washington Post, and many other key media outlets are CFR members.
Even if these members of the media's elite had the inclination to report on what they saw and heard at CFR meetings, they are prevented from doing so by the Non-Attribution Rule. To put this in perspective: many of the people who are trusted to provide information about national and world politics are deliberately withholding crucial information from the public because of membership in a secretive globalist organization.
This organization has taken it upon itself to participate in the manufacturing of a new vision for humanity, and dissidence will not be tolerated. If you believe the words of Carroll Quigley, all resistance is futile and doomed to failure. If you believe the rhetoric of internationalists in our own government, the current "trend towards isolationism" will result in a loss of American hegemony in the New World Order, leaving the United States a wrecked Third World wasteland.
World government can come in time, piece by piece, arrived at through the full participation and consensus of the human beings who will be affected by the negotiations. But the idea of the world's elite determining what path that the common herd should follow is repulsive to the human spirit. The story of the CFR goes far deeper than this brief report, and is interlocked with several other international power groups.
International power orgs depend on the masses remaining ignorant for their plans to come to fruition. It's up to you to do your own research and draw your own conclusion. But remember: there's a hell of a lot more to the story than Dan Rather will ever tell you. Educate yourself, or remain a passive consumer. The choice is entirely yours.
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Sources
Council on Foreign Relations/Foreign Affairs web pages:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/
http://www.psi.com/ChapterOne/foreignaffairs/

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Jun 20, 2018 09:43:43   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
permafrost wrote:
Gosh, how you are scared silly by a fine man and real programming rather then the hate sh** of hannity and friends.. How will you cope??


membership is way up.. lots of people looking forward to the new programming..


Memorable CFR member Quotes
Often times, the best way to expose something is to quote it. Nothing so succinctly expresses the goals and directives of the globalist conspiracy quite like a few good quotes from some of their more prominent CFR members. We'll start it off with a quote from the Chief Counsel to Congress' Reece Committee, which investigated the CFR during the 1950s:
"The Council on Foreign Relations, another member of the international complex, financed by the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations, overwhelmingly propagandizes the globalist concept. This organization became virtually an agency of the government when World War II broke out. The Rockefeller Foundation had started and financed certain studies known as The War and Peace Studies, manned largely by associates of the Council; the State Department, in due course, took these Studies over, retaining the major personnel which the Council on Foreign Relations had supplied." --Rene A. Wormser, Chief Counsel to the Reece Committee
"The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society which originated in England ... [and] ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, CFR member, college mentor of President Clinton, author of "Tragedy and Hope"
"... the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope," 1966
"I know of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years in the early 1960s to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies ... but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope
"As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy's summons to citizenship. And then, as a student, I heard that call clarified by a professor I had named Carroll Quigley." --President Clinton, in his acceptance speech for the Democratic Party's nomination for president, 16 July 1992
"In the economic-technological field, some international cooperation has already been achieved, but further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position." --Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR member and founding member of the Trilateral Commission, and National Security Advisor to five presidents
"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." --Zbigniew Brzezinski
"[There must be] some dilution of sovereignty, to the immediate disadvantage of those nations which now possess the preponderance of power ... the establishment of a common money, might be vested in a body created by and responsible to the principal trading and investing people. This would deprive our government of exclusive control over a national money." --John Foster Dulles, CFR founder, former Secretary of State, 1939
"There must be a thoroughgoing reform of the world monetary system ... For its part, I can assure you, the United States will continue to rise to its world responsibilities, joining with other nations to create and participate in a modern world economic order." --President Richard Nixon, CFR member, 1972
Council on Foreign Relations Membership
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/roundtable/CFRA-Elist.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20041010101432/http://www.mega.nu/ampp/roundtable/CFRA-Elist.html

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Jun 21, 2018 18:41:17   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Bad Bob wrote:


guess what...?

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Jun 21, 2018 19:00:49   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Super Dave, There is nothing amusing about the worst president in American history. He's not fit to be called a human being much less a president of a great nation. Every day its another catastrophe. This week it's separating poor children from their parents. Not even his fellow Republicans can stomach his latest disaster.

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Jun 21, 2018 19:15:00   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Super Dave, There is nothing amusing about the worst president in American history. He's not fit to be called a human being much less a president of a great nation. Every day its another catastrophe. This week it's separating poor children from their parents. Not even his fellow Republicans can stomach his latest disaster.

But it was just peachy when Obama separated children from parents, wasn't it?

Your partisan outrage is noted.

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Jun 21, 2018 19:33:29   #
Ricktloml
 
Super Dave wrote:
But it was just peachy when Obama separated children from parents, wasn't it?

Your partisan outrage is noted.


At twice the rate, and ALL those images were while Obama was in office. Then the coordinated propaganda attack by the media, calling this "Trump's policy" repeatedly saying it wasn't a law and he could change it with a stroke of a pen. Then, President Trump does use a stroke of his pen, and practically before the ink dried leftist attorneys started screaming he was exceeding his authority, trying to overturn the LAW, they claimed didn't exist while they were trashing him. All this propaganda about these poor children, shows Democrats and the media don't care one bit about these children, and quite frankly parents who would turn their children over to human traffickers so they can exploit loopholes in our asylum laws aren't much better. If these parents really qualify for asylum all they have to do is go to a port of entry and request it. Those who send their children with coyotes ( many send their daughters with "plan B" pills because they fully expect them to get raped on their way here,) and sneak across the border illegally are reprehensible in they way they use their own children as human shields. The Democrat Party and media that encourages this behavior is as vile as any human being can get. And they purposefully incite these people to come here for purely political reasons

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Jun 22, 2018 04:54:47   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Super Dave, There is nothing amusing about the worst president in American history. He's not fit to be called a human being much less a president of a great nation. Every day its another catastrophe. This week it's separating poor children from their parents. Not even his fellow Republicans can stomach his latest disaster.


Saltwind; who's your daddy?
Just so others here will know saltwind's perspective:
When you stoop by, salty, I must warn participants on OPP, of what you defend.

Some pearls from the past;
saltwind 78 wrote:
Maybe, but he ( George Soros) is rich enough to bribe the devil. Hell is reserved for poor working stiffs. The wealthy can buy their way out of anything including hell!

saltwind78] I'm a person of faith and I'm a liberal. As a Jew, I am somewhat familiar with the Hebrew prophets. What they yell and scream about most is to be just with poor people. If that's not the message of liberalism, I don't know what is. I'm pretty sure the new testament says pretty much the same thing.
**********
Beware of this "Man of faith".
IMO; He is quite twisted.

"If the Jews in Russia got rid of the Czar, good for them"- Saltwind
Saltwind is of those Christ warned His people of. Vipers and hypocrites.
Anti-Christian of the highest order

****** "The ADL is a fair minded civil rights group. They have defended American Arabs when unfairly attacked.
When I taught American and modern world history, I told my students to be careful about their sources. I would never accept anything from u-tube for the reasons I've stated" - saltwind ******

That man taught our kids. A good example why the education system is putting out uneducated liberal students.

Now you have a better idea of why Salty defends what he defends.

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Jun 22, 2018 08:46:38   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Super Dave, There is nothing amusing about the worst president in American history. He's not fit to be called a human being much less a president of a great nation. Every day its another catastrophe. This week it's separating poor children from their parents. Not even his fellow Republicans can stomach his latest disaster.


Turn off your TV and start thinking for yourself....shed those blinders dude.



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Jun 22, 2018 18:29:23   #
Steve700
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Super Dave, There is nothing amusing about the worst president in American history. He's not fit to be called a human being much less a president of a great nation. Every day its another catastrophe. This week it's separating poor children from their parents. Not even his fellow Republicans can stomach his latest disaster.

Just keep displaying your stupidness and lack of information. America has the most compassionate conduct towards those illegally crossing the national borders of any country on this planet. You liberals don't give a damn about those kids and are just using it to bash Trump. You can sit there and deny that fact all you want, but the proof is right there in the fact that that was policy and the way things have been done through Clinton's, Bushes, and Obama's presidencys. No one said a damn word about it then and the only reason it is becoming an issue now is because the leftist/globalist hierarchie's news media is making an issue of it and telling you how to react. Both the words "Sheeple" & "Useful Idiots" were designed specifically for you low mentality simpleminded pea brains.

Try having some integrity and get out of your bubble and try to put your Marxist indoctrinated prejudices aside and then try to be objective as you listen to those who have Truth, Honesty & integrity as their prime values.

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Jun 22, 2018 18:44:55   #
Steve700
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I'm a person of faith and I'm a liberal. As a Jew, I am somewhat familiar with the Hebrew prophets. What they yell and scream about most is to be just with poor people. If that's not the message of liberalism, I don't know what is. I'm pretty sure the new testament says pretty much the same thing.

Yes, it's the message of liberalism, but it is a false message contrary to their end results in order to get you on board for the real agenda of obtaining power --- enough power until you can eliminate conservatives, Christians and capitalists in making your complete takeover. Proof is in this example: you do not tell people that they are victims, angering them, crushing their incentive and getting them under your authority by giving the expectation that you will fulfill their needs. If you really have their best interest at heart. If you have their real interest at heart. You give them the recipe for success, which is to teach them Morals, ethics, values, personal responsibility, personal reliance, personal accountability, Honesty, discipline and the need for personal integrity to both the individual and the society at large. Liberalism has no purpose for self-sufficient prosperous people. Consequently liberalism seeks to only degrade and create dependence, purely for the acquisition of power


saltwind 78 wrote:
"If the Jews in Russia got rid of the Czar, good for them"- Saltwind

What an evil statement that is, taking into consideration that you know damn well that included the slaughter of 60,000,000 Christians, conservatives and capitalist.
.

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Jun 23, 2018 11:46:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Steve700 wrote:
Just keep displaying your stupidness and lack of information. America has the most compassionate conduct towards those illegally crossing the national borders of any country on this planet. You liberals don't give a damn about those kids and are just using it to bash Trump. You can sit there and deny that fact all you want, but the proof is right there in the fact that that was policy and the way things have been done through Clinton's, Bushes, and Obama's presidencys. No one said a damn word about it then and the only reason it is becoming an issue now is because the leftist/globalist hierarchie's news media is making an issue of it and telling you how to react. Both the words "Sheeple" & "Useful Idiots" were designed specifically for you low mentality simpleminded pea brains.

Try having some integrity and get out of your bubble and try to put your Marxist indoctrinated prejudices aside and then try to be objective as you listen to those who have Truth, Honesty & integrity as their prime values.
b Just keep displaying your stupidness and lack o... (show quote)


"Try having some integrity and get out of your bubble and try to put your Marxist indoctrinated prejudices aside and then try to be objective as you listen to those who have Truth, Honesty & integrity as their prime values." - Steve700

I doubt saltwind can rise to those good attributes. It is a spiritual thing that needs to be overcome, and that takes desire.

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Jun 24, 2018 00:12:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Point taken. I understand there are a number of agents asking to be subpoenaed they are so fed up with the corruption and abuse of power from Obama operatives and appointees.


I read the same and wonder why they have not and why Mueller has not either....

Leaves a lot of speculation running rampet at this conjecturer and yes, it is part of the cover up!!!

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Jun 24, 2018 04:50:11   #
Steve700
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Try having some integrity and get out of your bubble and try to put your Marxist indoctrinated prejudices aside and then try to be objective as you listen to those who have Truth, Honesty & integrity as their prime values." - Steve700

I doubt saltwind can rise to those good attributes. It is a spiritual thing that needs to be overcome, and that takes desire.

Yup !

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Jun 24, 2018 08:01:27   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
bdamage wrote:
Since you prefer to play dumb and remain numb.....here it is in a nutshell that even you can comprehend.

Let's cut through the FAKE NEWS and go with some facts!
ANYONE in our country has to abide by our laws and illegal aliens are no exception!

When ANYONE gets busted committing a crime, they get thrown in jail.
If you're an American, you wait to go before a judge who will decide if you will get bail and when your trial will be held.

If you're an alien who has crossed over illegally and got caught, you committed a crime and are thrown in jail.
If you screamed 'asylum' when you were caught committing this crime, you still get thrown in jail for the crime of entering illegally and remain in jail until a judge can review your case and determine whether you meet the requirements for asylum. If you do, you're granted asylum and the crime of illegal entry is dismissed.
If you don't meet the requirements, then you're found guilty of having committed a crime, illegal entry...

It doesn't get any more simple than this...Don't commit a crime and you don't get put in jail.
Don't commit a crime and you don't get separated from your kids!
Since you prefer to play dumb and remain numb........ (show quote)
Sometimes I think libs are stupid enough to believe what they say.

Other times I'm convinced they're lying to advance s false narrative. Sometimes hoping for political gain, sometimes to justify their own poor choices.

I think Perm follows the 2nd option most often.

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Jun 24, 2018 09:20:05   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Super Dave wrote:
Sometimes I think libs are stupid enough to believe what they say.

Other times I'm convinced they're lying to advance s false narrative. Sometimes hoping for political gain, sometimes to justify their own poor choices.

I think Perm follows the 2nd option most often.


I concur SD.

The left is losing more and more of the Independent vote and their own base is dwindling.

"They" need more votes and the only way for that to happen, at this time, is for them to import those votes.

The red wave
The red wave...

The blue trickle
The blue trickle...

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