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Jun 18, 2018 18:01:13   #
son of witless
 
Super Dave wrote:
I get that you feel the need to lie.

It would be quite embarrassing to actually be honest enough to admit you support sending a plane load of cash knowing for a fact that much of it would be used to promote and fund terrorism....

I've raised children, and I've seen other children lie because they were embarrassed about far-far less embarrassing things than you are embarrassed about now.

But just think about how much better it would be if you could just get off your knees and admit it when Democrats do something wrong. You could hold your head up high, wear big-boy pants and sit at the adult table.
I get that you feel the need to lie. br br It wo... (show quote)



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Jun 18, 2018 18:10:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
You are a funny guy. You make it sound as if you know what you are talking about, but then like your mighty hero Barak the Obama you are just vague enough to give yourself an out when I call you on something. Well maybe you are not that bad. I am prone exaggerate to make a point. But enough rambling. Here is my point. You said, " No President make personal deal with nations.. Not now, not ever....."

That is a clever way to phrase it on your part because I am sure you can lawyerly find a loophole, however essentially Yes the Iran Nuclear Deal is very very much a personal deal between President Obama and the Iranian Mullahs. It was an executive order, not a Senate Ratified Treaty. Which is why My Boy Donald J. Trump could discard it like a worthless piece of trash.

" You right wingers are all the same.. you want no international cooperation.. " Where did you get a ridiculous idea like that ?

" Your only interests are what makes you feel good right now, right in your home..

All else is to you irrelevant and therefore hateful. "

You are projecting the character flaws of those on your side onto us.

"
America did not become the leader of the free world by insisting that every thing we wanted be rubber stamped by the rest of the world..

Most international cooperation ideal come from high minded Americans.. No.. that would not be conservatives."

Okay I will bite, you tell me how we became the leader of the free world and then I will correct your mistakes.
You are a funny guy. You make it sound as if you k... (show quote)




as you know, volumes have been written on that subject..

this is all for now..

https://historyplex.com/meaning-of-leader-of-free-world


The beginning of the Cold War is generally traced back to the Truman Doctrine (presented by U.S. President Harry S. Truman in March 1947). He defined the Doctrine in the joint session of Congress as, "The policy of the United States to support free people who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures." The U.S. had then agreed to support Greece and Turkey economically and militarily, to avoid Soviet Union's control over them.

Looking at the post-World War II scenario, and emergence of the United States as the strongest nation in the world, we can decipher how the phrase 'Leader of the Free World' was grounded. The term was identified with the President of the United States and/or the United States itself, as the leader of the most powerful democracy of the world.

America has been perceived to champion the cause of freedom. The entire idea of liberty stems from the American history of independence, which has inspired many other nation-states towards attaining the status of a free state. The concept of 'individual freedom' led to the human rights movement, and its spread the world over. These impressions that the U.S. has made upon the world, or strives to make even today, as the representative of the ideal of liberty, gives it the identity of a leader.

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Jun 18, 2018 18:17:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
I get that you feel the need to lie.

It would be quite embarrassing to actually be honest enough to admit you support sending a plane load of cash knowing for a fact that much of it would be used to promote and fund terrorism....

I've raised children, and I've seen other children lie because they were embarrassed about far-far less embarrassing things than you are embarrassed about now.

But just think about how much better it would be if you could just get off your knees and admit it when Democrats do something wrong. You could hold your head up high, wear big-boy pants and sit at the adult table.
I get that you feel the need to lie. br br It wo... (show quote)




I feel sorry for your children..

how you twist the support of a plan to halt nuclear bomb resurch into a support for terrorist is a mind fart worthy of people on hate radio..

Oh for dumb of me!!! Of course that is where you got the idea.. My error, you could never think of such a lie by yourself...

but do not feel bad, no one gives a damn what you think so nothing matters..

Quite kissing that orange *** it will do you no good at all. he only grabs money for himself and let only a select few join in for part of the leavings.

the are all like orange vultures picking at the bones of the nation if they get their way..

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Jun 18, 2018 18:21:21   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
as you know, volumes have been written on that subject..

this is all for now..

https://historyplex.com/meaning-of-leader-of-free-world


The beginning of the Cold War is generally traced back to the Truman Doctrine (presented by U.S. President Harry S. Truman in March 1947). He defined the Doctrine in the joint session of Congress as, "The policy of the United States to support free people who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures." The U.S. had then agreed to support Greece and Turkey economically and militarily, to avoid Soviet Union's control over them.

Looking at the post-World War II scenario, and emergence of the United States as the strongest nation in the world, we can decipher how the phrase 'Leader of the Free World' was grounded. The term was identified with the President of the United States and/or the United States itself, as the leader of the most powerful democracy of the world.

America has been perceived to champion the cause of freedom. The entire idea of liberty stems from the American history of independence, which has inspired many other nation-states towards attaining the status of a free state. The concept of 'individual freedom' led to the human rights movement, and its spread the world over. These impressions that the U.S. has made upon the world, or strives to make even today, as the representative of the ideal of liberty, gives it the identity of a leader.
as you know, volumes have been written on that sub... (show quote)



That is all very nice, , , , , BUT it would have meant zero if America had not been willing to shed blood to back it up. It was one thing to have a Pearl Harbor to get the anti war crowd to shut up. It was quite another thing for Truman to become unpopular for sending American kids to die in Korea or for Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon to do the same in Vietnam. The two Bush's sent Americans to die in unpopular wars.

Your side calls it war mongering. I call it Free World Leadership.

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Jun 18, 2018 18:27:12   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
I feel sorry for your children..

how you twist the support of a plan to halt nuclear bomb resurch into a support for terrorist is a mind fart worthy of people on hate radio..

Oh for dumb of me!!! Of course that is where you got the idea.. My error, you could never think of such a lie by yourself...

but do not feel bad, no one gives a damn what you think so nothing matters..

Quite kissing that orange *** it will do you no good at all. he only grabs money for himself and let only a select few join in for part of the leavings.

the are all like orange vultures picking at the bones of the nation if they get their way..
I feel sorry for your children.. br br how you tw... (show quote)

My children have parents that love America and would never sell their souls to support any political party.

Save your sorrow for your family and do your fellow victim-class Democrats.

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Jun 18, 2018 19:23:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
That is all very nice, , , , , BUT it would have meant zero if America had not been willing to shed blood to back it up. It was one thing to have a Pearl Harbor to get the anti war crowd to shut up. It was quite another thing for Truman to become unpopular for sending American kids to die in Korea or for Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon to do the same in Vietnam. The two Bush's sent Americans to die in unpopular wars.

Your side calls it war mongering. I call it Free World Leadership.




I understand, you like that other people die for comforts of your life..

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Jun 18, 2018 19:31:48   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
My children have parents that love America and would never sell their souls to support any political party.

Save your sorrow for your family and do your fellow victim-class Democrats.




dummy,

My kids have done extremely well and are a credit to America.. Not your America where the rich rule and minorities are scorned..

My America where freedom rules and patriots support our country and the rule of law.. both home and abroad..

One son with a national reputation as a lawyer, one son who distribute money among the U of MN university. A daughter who insist she can feed the world and make everyone better with her food. and getting a lot of money
in the process..

As a USMC combat vet and retired biz man.. I am delighted in my meanness and lack of niceness to the enemies of the state. mostly found on the right wing hate groups.

and spraying themselves some stupid shade of orange..

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Jun 18, 2018 20:34:33   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
I understand, you like that other people die for comforts of your life..


I am in awe of the people that died for the freedoms that comfort my life.

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Jun 19, 2018 11:54:58   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
I understand, you like that other people die for comforts of your life..


I like your bluntness. I freely admit to being utterly unworthy of their sacrifices. However, for my own peace of mind I prefer to believe they died to provide my family and me Freedom. The comforts of life spring from those freedoms. That is not really what we were talking about.

This was about America being the leader of the Free World. What exactly does that mean ? That means having leaders ( aka Presidents ) willing to send American soldiers to fight on some God forsaken piece of ground nobody ever heard of to roll back Communists, Islamic Terrorists, Fascist Adventurists, etc. Leaders who do that will be vilified and likely lose their jobs, but it is what is required to maintain overall peace.

In the 1920s and 1930s Western Democracies lacked such leaders. Everyone was spiritually exhausted by the Great War, WW1. In such an environment of weakness the Fascists of Germany, Italy, and Japan were allowed to become too strong to handle.

The entire Cold War against the USSR and the Red China was about applying the hard won lessons of WW2. Being willing to fight those dirty little wars against evil so that you never fight the big war. Unfortunately those leaders have mostly passed on now. Instead we have endured stupid little idiots like Obama who grew up sheltered under Cold War protections and have no idea what it took to give them the comforts of life.

I am aware of what it takes to keep me fat, dum, and happy. Are you ?

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Jun 19, 2018 14:57:32   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
"" America did not become the leader of the free world by insisting that every thing we wanted be rubber stamped by the rest of the world..

Most international cooperation ideal come from high minded Americans.. No.. that would not be conservatives." - Perma

"Okay I will bite, you tell me how we became the leader of the free world and then I will correct your mistakes." - son of witless

yep!
Perma does keep us busy correcting him.

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Jun 19, 2018 19:53:07   #
son of witless
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"" America did not become the leader of the free world by insisting that every thing we wanted be rubber stamped by the rest of the world..

Most international cooperation ideal come from high minded Americans.. No.. that would not be conservatives." - Perma

"Okay I will bite, you tell me how we became the leader of the free world and then I will correct your mistakes." - son of witless

yep!
Perma does keep us busy correcting him.



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Jun 20, 2018 10:27:36   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
son of witless wrote:


Did Perma's fingers get tired?
Or is his "research" taking all these hours?

"Okay I will bite, you tell me how we became the leader of the free world and then I will correct your mistakes." - son of witless

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Jun 21, 2018 08:41:39   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
kemmer wrote:
Jail is what Manafort so richly deserved. He violated his home confinement repeatedly. I know trumpsters hate judges who rule against the Trump tribe.


Yes, yes, I know~~~

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Jun 21, 2018 09:26:10   #
son of witless
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Did Perma's fingers get tired?
Or is his "research" taking all these hours?

"Okay I will bite, you tell me how we became the leader of the free world and then I will correct your mistakes." - son of witless


I blame myself and my mysterious power to shut up liberals. I have tried to control my power, but to no avail. All I ever do is actually read the things they post and then I ask innocent questions, not even very hard questions. Suddenly the room gets dark and quiet, and I realize that Elvis has left the building, and there will be no more responses from the left.

I wish I had been in the White House Press Corp during Obama's press conferences. They all would have been much shorter and far less hot air would have been emitted, saving our precious ice caps.

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Jun 21, 2018 11:02:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
son of witless wrote:
I blame myself and my mysterious power to shut up liberals. I have tried to control my power, but to no avail. All I ever do is actually read the things they post and then I ask innocent questions, not even very hard questions. Suddenly the room gets dark and quiet, and I realize that Elvis has left the building, and there will be no more responses from the left.

I wish I had been in the White House Press Corp during Obama's press conferences. They all would have been much shorter and far less hot air would have been emitted, saving our precious ice caps.
I blame myself and my mysterious power to shut up ... (show quote)


Your mix of humor in the context of your posts is never boring to read!!!👍👍👏🏻👏🏻

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