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Question, do we have a right to see any evidence against us before we are even charged?
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May 22, 2018 09:14:27   #
PeterS
 
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?

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May 22, 2018 09:34:04   #
Liberty Tree
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?


No and that is why Grand Juries are secret. but you have access to evidence after charges are placed.

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May 22, 2018 09:38:08   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Indeed, you are entitled to review, along with your attorney, all evidence gathered against you.
PeterS wrote:
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?

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May 22, 2018 09:42:00   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?


Nope, nor do we have a right to know we're under investigation either. I'm sure Trump and his cast of clowns think there's some magic out there that will absolve them of all wrong doing, but that is as unrealistic and delusional as Trumps agenda.

Law enforcement has used confidential informants for centuries, and as long as they are not used to entice a citizen into breaking the law are perfectly legal. In this case, however, there was no confidential informant..................only a witness.

What I find most amusing about Trump's desperate attempts to create an alibi, extenuating circumstances, or a "get out of jail" card, is that it is a tacit admission of guilt. The innocent need not try to recreate history, try to influence potential jurors, try to hide evidence, or try to create conflicts of interest amongst investigators. Another amusing component to Trump's pathetic attempts to appear innocent, are the claims that Obama and the FBI were clairvoyant - and knew that Trump would win the GOP nomination and go on to win the Presidency. If that were somehow true...................why didn't they use that information to help Hillary win?

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May 22, 2018 09:42:07   #
vernon
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?



In this case I think they should have to produce there evidence .There is a great fear
Muller is going to drag this out until the election and then come up with some headline
grabbing crap to help influence the election.

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May 22, 2018 09:46:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy made the statement that 'this is going to help the president in his defense' in Trumps latest press of the DoJ for how they are investigating him. So my question is: do we have a right to see any evidence against us before any charges have been brought?


Not until charges are levied.. Some variance in State and Federal but no.. Pretrial motions to produce what the charging entity has have to be given when requested though.. It helps to see if plea bargaining is viable or the case is weak..

Mueller named 13 Russians he didn’t expect to answer, but they did and through a motion to produce asked for documentation.. Mueller not ready yet, filed a motion to stay the request, the Federal judge denied saying you charged you be ready, produce the info to the Russian atty..

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May 22, 2018 09:48:40   #
Liberty Tree
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Indeed, you are entitled to review, along with your attorney, all evidence gathered against you.


Only after charges and not before.

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May 22, 2018 10:41:14   #
Carol Kelly
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Nope, nor do we have a right to know we're under investigation either. I'm sure Trump and his cast of clowns think there's some magic out there that will absolve them of all wrong doing, but that is as unrealistic and delusional as Trumps agenda.

Law enforcement has used confidential informants for centuries, and as long as they are not used to entice a citizen into breaking the law are perfectly legal. In this case, however, there was no confidential informant..................only a witness.

What I find most amusing about Trump's desperate attempts to create an alibi, extenuating circumstances, or a "get out of jail" card, is that it is a tacit admission of guilt. The innocent need not try to recreate history, try to influence potential jurors, try to hide evidence, or try to create conflicts of interest amongst investigators. Another amusing component to Trump's pathetic attempts to appear innocent, are the claims that Obama and the FBI were clairvoyant - and knew that Trump would win the GOP nomination and go on to win the Presidency. If that were somehow true...................why didn't they use that information to help Hillary win?
Nope, nor do we have a right to know we're under i... (show quote)



Why haven’t they used all of the information about Hillary and Bill to send them to prison for Life? Bill lied to a grand jury and walked away unscathed. Michael Flynn who served his country honorably for most of his life was accused of lying to the FBI, and even the agents said he didn’t lie but now he is a ruined man. Not ruined in my opinion and the opinion of many others, but what will history say about him? That depends on what we do now. It appears that trailer trash is above reproach, but the honorable man is vulnerable. What is wrong with this picture?

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May 22, 2018 10:59:26   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you. I stand corrected.

Liberty Tree wrote:
Only after charges and not before.

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May 22, 2018 12:12:26   #
PeterS
 
vernon wrote:
In this case I think they should have to produce there evidence .There is a great fear
Muller is going to drag this out until the election and then come up with some headline
grabbing crap to help influence the election.

Yes but in this case the fear is being propagated by Fox and Trump themselves. Shouldn't they be asked where they are getting their information from before the DoJ is forced to turn over anything they have?

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May 22, 2018 12:16:04   #
PeterS
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Why haven’t they used all of the information about Hillary and Bill to send them to prison for Life? Bill lied to a grand jury and walked away unscathed. Michael Flynn who served his country honorably for most of his life was accused of lying to the FBI, and even the agents said he didn’t lie but now he is a ruined man. Not ruined in my opinion and the opinion of many others, but what will history say about him? That depends on what we do now. It appears that trailer trash is above reproach, but the honorable man is vulnerable. What is wrong with this picture?
Why haven’t they used all of the information about... (show quote)

If Flynn didn't lie then he shouldn't have confessed to it. As for Hillary and Bill if the DoJ thinks they can prosecute them then that's what they should be doing.

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May 22, 2018 13:00:47   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
All a dog and pony show for the little sheople. A few underlings' heads may roll but nothing will come of it this. It is ALL politics costing MILLIONS in taxpayer money por nada.

Keep your eye on the red ball and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

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May 22, 2018 14:32:00   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
buffalo wrote:
All a dog and pony show for the little sheople. A few underlings' heads may roll but nothing will come of it this. It is ALL politics costing MILLIONS in taxpayer money por nada.

Keep your eye on the red ball and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...


You are right about this post.. in the first place since it goes all the way to Bo nothing will happen because of the domino effect of everyone else involved... You know, like Iran is doung right now... Put pressure on Trump or he will disclose all those bribes and how much each one got~~

Take notice?? Sure they did, every single one of them worried sick he will disclose them...

What does that tell us?? It says we play dirty with many a country especially when its personal greed!!!

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May 22, 2018 15:23:36   #
woodguru
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Indeed, you are entitled to review, along with your attorney, all evidence gathered against you.


You are not entitled to any such thing, until After you are charged and the investigation is done, not while it is in progress.

The president doesn't even have any right directly questioning or being involved with the DOJ in a matter that is even close to his administration.

Nunes should have been investigated and charged with taking secrets the intelligence committee got straight to the white house, he even said he thought it was information the president should have...

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May 22, 2018 15:25:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
You are not entitled to any such thing, until After you are charged and the investigation is done, not while it is in progress.

The president doesn't even have any right directly questioning or being involved with the DOJ in a matter that is even close to his administration.

Nunes should have been investigated and charged with taking secrets the intelligence committee got straight to the white house, he even said he thought it was information the president should have...
In the pitifully blind and ideological biased eyes of liberals, the defeat of their precious queen is the only "crime". Out of a field of 16 Republican candidates, one man stood out as a major threat, so in early 2016, the Obama administration weaponized its DOJ and FBI to surveill and investigate him in an attempt to prevent the worst "crime" in American history. Then, when American voters chose Trump as their nominee, this was evidence that a "crime" was definitely in progress, so Obama's high level operatives in the DOJ and FBI, in the Hillary campaign, and in the MSM ramped up their efforts. Yet, in spite of this subterfuge, the American voters violated the liberal laws of entitlement and elected Trump as POTUS. This was worse than a felony, this was treason, So again the Obama and Hillary operatives, and the MSM ramped up their campaign to unprecedented levels in their effort to undermine a duly elected president, to destroy him, his family, and his administration.

Trump did not elect himself, the Americans who elected him are the ones who committed the "crime". Trump is not the criminal, he is the evidence that a crime was committed.

This attempt by a sitting adminstration, the democrat nominee campaign, and the MSM to undermine and defeat its opposition and, in the process, destroy the American electoral process is the greatest political scandal in American history.

Yet, in spite of it all, both the Constitution and the law are fully on the side of the president. This is indesputable. Trump knows this and he isn't backing down, not by a long shot.

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