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May 14, 2018 19:32:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
WOW! StraightUp you hit a nerve with Ole PR, with the go back to Russia comment. So he's a Ruski, is he? That could explain a lot. He had indicated to me that he'd been run out of a country by bigots. He didn't mention which one. PR, a Jewish Russian. Ha!

Yeah, I may have taken that one a little too far. I just get so tired of people refusing to understand that they are supporting the most vicious and oppressive regime on the face of the planet. I think PR is a "she" BTW and yes, she apparently left Russia to get away from the bigotry. Unfortunately, people often bring with them the very things they are running from. Just like the Zionist that escaped the Nazis only to turn Israel into the same thing Nazi Germany was. When someone escapes the bigotry in Russia, comes to America and calls herself "Proud Republican" it tells me that all she really did is put the shoe on the other foot.

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May 14, 2018 19:39:46   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, I may have taken that one a little too far. I just get so tired of people refusing to understand that they are supporting the most vicious and oppressive regime on the face of the planet. I think PR is a "she" BTW and yes, she apparently left Russia to get away from the bigotry. Unfortunately, people often bring with them the very things they are running from. Just like the Zionist that escaped the Nazis only to turn Israel into the same thing Nazi Germany was. When someone escapes the bigotry in Russia, comes to America and calls herself "Proud Republican" it tells me that all she really did is put the shoe on the other foot.
Yeah, I may have taken that one a little too far. ... (show quote)


Yeah,ok Straight......Im not bigot...I think when you call people names like this...you are trying to hide your own bigotry....

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May 14, 2018 19:43:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
Because no one has the right to steal land from someone just because they think God is on their side.

So you don't have a clue what the Zionist movement really is. Why didn't you just say so?

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May 14, 2018 19:46:15   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
You're taking this way too seriously, StraightUp.

Yeah, it's one of my peeves I guess.

Richard Rowland wrote:

Ole Blade has heard all this before. Its obvious you're a smart guy, anyone with an open mind hearing your argument would agree with your points. But Ole blade doesn't have an open mind where this subject is concerned. You're not gonna make a dent in his objections and denials.

Oh trust me, I know. It's the prevailing condition here, where emotions take over and rational thoughts are rejected. It's OK, because it's good practice for me and whether or not they realize or admit that I've exposed their bullshit, I still get satisfaction when it happens.

Richard Rowland wrote:

We all figure this out at some point. All one had to do to have the Geni appear was to rub the lamp. All you have to do to have Blade appear is say something derogatory about the Jews, and Israel.

Does he know what Zionism is? 'Cause that's specifically what I want to see destroyed.

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May 14, 2018 19:56:21   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So you don't have a clue what the Zionist movement really is. Why didn't you just say so?

Oh, I know what it is. I may have given you an over-simplified definition because I wasn't sure you could handle anything more complicated. But that's the net effect in Israel. The claim that Israel is for Jews and everyone else has to give up their homes and their land to make room for any Jew that decides to migrate there from anywhere else in the world.

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May 14, 2018 19:58:23   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
proud republican wrote:
Yeah,ok Straight......Im not bigot...I think when you call people names like this...you are trying to hide your own bigotry....

Think what you want PR, but I'm not the one making excuses for a bigot regime in Israel.

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May 14, 2018 20:47:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, I may have taken that one a little too far. I just get so tired of people refusing to understand that they are supporting the most vicious and oppressive regime on the face of the planet. I think PR is a "she" BTW and yes, she apparently left Russia to get away from the bigotry. Unfortunately, people often bring with them the very things they are running from. Just like the Zionist that escaped the Nazis only to turn Israel into the same thing Nazi Germany was. When someone escapes the bigotry in Russia, comes to America and calls herself "Proud Republican" it tells me that all she really did is put the shoe on the other foot.
Yeah, I may have taken that one a little too far. ... (show quote)


Since the Israeli/conflict began 98 years ago, 25,000 Israelis and 90,000 Arabs have been killed. 2200 Arabs were killed by Arabs. That is an average of 255 Israelis and 918 Arabs killed per year.

During the 24 years of Saddam Hussein's reign, his regime murdered 600,000 Iraqi citizens, including 5000+ killed by chemical weapons. That's an average of 25,000 Iraqis murdered per year. This does not include the 600,000 Iraqis and 500,000 Iranians killed in Saddam's invasion and war with Iran.

A Brief timeline of Iran-Sponsored Terrorism Since 1979

During the 12 years of Hitler's Nazi regime, 10,500,000 German citizens were murdered or executed. That's an average of 875,000 per year.

In the 17 years since 9/11, Islamic terrorists have murdered 230,000 people all over the world. That's an average of 13,529 people per year.

20th Century Democide

There are no Israeli sponsored or Jewish terror organizations operating anywhere in the world. All Israeli citizens--Jews, Arabs, blacks, and others--enjoy the same freedoms and benefits. Israel does not murder its own citizens. I hardly think that Israel is the "most vicious and oppressive regime on the face of the planet."

Obviously you are just another liberal progressive anti-Semite who actually believes that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written by a group of old Jews and rabbis. Fools like you are a dime a dozen these days.

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May 14, 2018 20:56:26   #
Richard Rowland
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Since the Israeli/conflict began 98 years ago, 25,000 Israelis and 90,000 Arabs have been killed. 2200 Arabs were killed by Arabs. That is an average of 255 Israelis and 918 Arabs killed per year.

During the 24 years of Saddam Hussein's reign, his regime murdered 600,000 Iraqi citizens, including 5000+ killed by chemical weapons. That's an average of 25,000 Iraqis murdered per year. This does not include the 600,000 Iraqis and 500,000 Iranians killed in Saddam's invasion and war with Iran.

A Brief timeline of Iran-Sponsored Terrorism Since 1979

During the 12 years of Hitler's Nazi regime, 10,500,000 German citizens were murdered or executed. That's an average of 875,000 per year.

In the 17 years since 9/11, Islamic terrorists have murdered 230,000 people all over the world. That's an average of 13,529 people per year.

20th Century Democide

There are no Israeli sponsored or Jewish terror organizations operating anywhere in the world. All Israeli citizens--Jews, Arabs, blacks, and others--enjoy the same freedoms and benefits. Israel does not murder its own citizens. I hardly think that Israel is the "most vicious and oppressive regime on the face of the planet."

Obviously you are just another liberal progressive anti-Semite who actually believes that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written by a group of old Jews and rabbis. Fools like you are a dime a dozen these days.
Since the Israeli/conflict began 98 years ago, 25,... (show quote)


See, I told ya, StraightUp, he has a shit load of stuff to pull out. However, you can be sure, he didn't put those numbers together. His last sentence indicates he's starting to crumble, LOL. By-the-way he always goes to the low road, using unsavory terms against those who are besting him.

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May 14, 2018 20:59:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, I know what it is. I may have given you an over-simplified definition because I wasn't sure you could handle anything more complicated. But that's the net effect in Israel. The claim that Israel is for Jews and everyone else has to give up their homes and their land to make room for any Jew that decides to migrate there from anywhere else in the world.
You haven't provided a genuine definition of the Zionist movement, all you are doing is revealing the brainwashed character of a self-absorbed anti-Semitic psuedo-intellectual. You seem to enjoy pretending you are the brightest bulb in the room. Lots of self praise going on here. How long do you spend gazing in a mirror?

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May 14, 2018 21:18:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
See, I told ya, StraightUp, he has a shit load of stuff to pull out. However, you can be sure, he didn't put those numbers together. His last sentence indicates he's starting to crumble, LOL. By-the-way he always goes to the low road, using unsavory names against those who are besting him.
No, I didn't put those numbers together, how could I possibly do that? At least I am not pulling "a shitload of stuff out of my ass", I'll leave that to you and your anti-Semitic comrades.

Here's a well researched synopsis exposing the truth about your bible: A Hoax of Hate: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (Hitler loved this thing.)

Introduction

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a classic in paranoid, racist literature. Taken by the gullible as the confidential minutes of a Jewish conclave convened in the last years of the nineteenth century, it has been heralded by anti-Semites as proof that Jews are plotting to take over the world. Since its contrivance around the turn of the century by the Russian Okhrana, or Czarist secret police, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" has taken root in bigoted, frightened minds around the world.

The booklet’s twenty-four sections spell out the alleged secret plans of Jewish leaders seeking to attain world domination. They represent the most notorious political forgery of modern times. Although thoroughly discredited, the document is still being used to stir up anti-Semitic hatred.


Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: fraudulent document

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: A Fraud

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

In the late 1800s, European antisemites depicted the Jew as an alien and corrupting element within society. They published inflammatory literature that reviled Jews, depicting them as plotting to undermine Western Christian civilization in order to take over the world.

By the turn of the century, antisemites firmly believed that Jews were collectively scheming to achieve world domination. One of the most influential writings fueling this belief was a widely read publication entitled the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This document was, however, actually a carefully crafted forgery fabricated by the secret police of czarist Russia to justify that government's persecution of Jews. The Protocols offered "proof" of a widespread international Jewish conspiracy. It featured a fictional account of minutes of an alleged secret meeting of subversive Zionist leaders in Basel, Switzerland in in 1897. It even outlined technical plans for a Jewish world state. Exiles from Bolshevist Russia brought copies of the Protocols with them. Alfred Rosenberg, a Nazi Party ideologue, published his own "edited" version in 1923. Adolf Hitler, like many other avowed antisemites, was utterly convinced that the Protocols--and the Jewish conspiracy--were real. (6)

The Protocols: Ruled a Forgery but it was actually a plagiarization

The German edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was declared a forgery by a court in Bern, Switzerland in 1935:

May 31, 1935: A court in Bern, Switzerland, pronounces the German edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a forgery.

On November 28, 1993 The Los Angeles Times reported that the Protocols were ruled an anti-Semitic forgery in a Russian court.

The Protocols was plagiarized from an earlier writing that did not have an anti-Jewish theme:

Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a hoax by Okhranka, the tsarist secret police; most notably, a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921 revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme.

Maurice Joly's "Les Dialogues aux Enfers," published in 1864, "served as the basis for the fraudulent document, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion convinced the majority of Germany to vote Nazi (ie one world government) in 1933 and set the stage for the Holocaust:

Although soon to be proven a blatant hoax by the Berne trial in 1935, the "Protocols" sold 120,000 copies in Germany in one year and helped convince 17 million Germans to vote Nazi in 1933.

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May 14, 2018 21:20:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
proud republican wrote:
Sorry to tell you this Straight, but there will never be 2 state solutions,because Palestinians they dont want 2 state solutions..They want to destroy Israel anyway possible!!!...Its been this way for centuries....Ask their buddy Hammas!!!


It might help your case if you folks can at least keep your stories straight... Blade_Runner says there is no such thing as Palestinian people...

Blade_Runner wrote:

For nearly 200 years, archeological expeditions in Israel and other Biblical sites have uncovered thousands of artifacts and sites confirming a Hebrew presence dating back many centuries, no such artifacts have ever been found indicating the existence of a "Palestinian" culture or society.


F.D.R. says the Palestinians only existed after Israel was founded.

F.D.R. wrote:
A. read your history, there are no 'Palestinian' people. These so-called Palestinian's came to Israel to work after it's founding and fled when Israel was invaded. Since their native countries don't want them back they've created this false identity.


And here you are saying Palestinians have been trying to destroy Israel for centuries which doesn't even make sense because Israel has only been around for 70 years.

Seriously, If you folks weren't all lying you wouldn't have so many versions of the story.

According to the Jerusalem Post, 47% of the Palestinian people support a 2-state solution along with 45% of the Israeli Jews.
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Poll-Under-50-percent-of-Palestinians-Israeli-Jews-support-two-state-solution-539780

These are the numbers that they published last January... I've seen the numbers much higher than that in the past, it fluctuates. Right now relations are the worst they've been in years and yet almost 50% of the Palestinians and almost 50% of the Jews, even at this low point still support a 2-state solution. So, imagine how your claim sounds to someone like me with an eye on the numbers.

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May 14, 2018 21:35:17   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You haven't provided a genuine definition of the Zionist movement, all you are doing is revealing the brainwashed character of a self-absorbed anti-Semitic psuedo-intellectual. You seem to enjoy pretending you are the brightest bulb in the room. Lots of self praise going on here. How long do you spend gazing in a mirror?


I don't see YOU providing any definition at all, Blade. Seems to me like all you're doing is reverting to ad hominem attacks on my character - suggesting that I'm not as smart as I think I am. I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others when they say that... It doesn't matter how smart I think I am. Either you can prove me wrong or you can't. So why don't you prove how smart YOU are and provide a convincing argument or empirical evidence that proves I'm wrong about Zionism?

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May 14, 2018 21:44:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
It might help your case if you folks can at least keep your stories straight... Blade_Runner says there is no such thing as Palestinian people...
Prior to the 1st World War, no, there was no Palestinian people, no Palestinian culture, government, state, or nation.

Who Are The Palestinians?

An examination of the geography, history, and politics of Palestinian identity

By David Margolis

Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir’s famous 1969 remark that the Palestinians “did not exist” as a nationality represents an opinion still heard today, especially on the right of Israel’s political spectrum, often buttressed with specific arguments, including:

• that the Arabs of Palestine have no language, religion or general culture that distinguishes them significantly from the Arabs of Jordan, Syria (where some factions still claim Palestine as part of “Greater Syria”) or other neighboring Arab states;

• that especially before the 20th century, traditional Palestinian society was semi‑feudal in its structure and organized around loyalties to locality and tribe, not nation;

• that the Arabs of Palestine never exercised national sovereignty in the country in which they lived;

• that a pattern of Arab emigration from Palestine, a land often described by Western travelers in the 18th and 19th centuries as “desolate” and “empty,” was reversed, especially after World War I, not by nationalist feeling but by the employment opportunities and improved quality of life that accompanied Zionist immigration and land development;

• that the word Filastin, as the country is called in Arabic, is not Palestinian‑Arab in origin (the Arabs of the region rarely used it before 1948) but refers to the biblical “Philistines,” whose name the ancient Romans gave to the country in an attempt to obliterate the Jews’ connection to it;

• that even UN Security Council Resolution 242, which in 1967 called upon Israel to return “territories” it had conquered in the Six‑Day War, referred only to “refugees” without mentioning the Palestinians as a separate national entity.

In other words, it can be argued that “Palestinian” identity is a shallow political veneer that developed in response to Zionism, that it serves today as a hostile tool kept sharpened for use against Israel, and that Palestinian Arab culture is, at most, a “dialect” of a larger Arab culture.

Even fervent Palestinian nationalists might not deny many of the items on the above list. But they would argue that the absence of a totally unique identity does not disqualify Palestinians from claiming national independence, any more than the lack of a separate language, culture and religion disqualifies Guatemala, Canada or Tunisia.

Though Palestinian society still remains partly focused on clan and tribe today, it is also evident that the Arabs of Palestine have in recent generations moved largely toward understanding themselves as a separate nation within the Arab world.

The earliest imaginings of a separate Palestinian national identity are traceable to the mid-19th century, perhaps partly in response to renewed Western interest in the “Holy Land.” As early as 1919, the first “Arab Palestinian Congress” called for Palestinian unity and independence, albeit still understanding Palestine as part of “Greater Syria.”

But it is the year 1948 — the time of naqba, or catastrophe, as Palestinian Arabs commonly call it– that marks the crucial watershed in the process of Palestinian nation-building. During Israel’s War of Independence against invading Arab armies, some 600,000 Arabs were dispossessed from their homes and became refugees. Not only individuals but embedded social patterns and relationships were uprooted, causing traumatic societal and cultural discontinuities. A society that had been centered on family, locality and traditional social patterns felt itself shattered.

Worse, the same predicament befell it again less than 20 years later in the aftermath of the Six‑Day War, which created many new refugees and saw the West Bank and Gaza Strip transferred from culturally cognate Jordanian‑Arab control to unfamiliar Israeli‑Jewish rule.

Throughout the Palestinian world, and especially in the refugee camps of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West Bank, as the established social classes and patterns were unexpectedly shaken up together, a new social essence began to ferment, with the old local and communal affiliations becoming transmuted into a national one by a sense of shared history, suffering and hope.

Since 1967, the Arabs of Palestine have increasingly insisted on a separate identity for themselves. Even many Israeli Arabs, torn by ethnic loyalties and perhaps radicalized by decades of ethnic conflict, now routinely refer to themselves as “Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.”

The Palestinians have also had “peoplehood” conferred on them by prevailing international usage, including 30 years of UN resolutions identifying them as a people and recognizing them (despite strong American and Israeli objections) as having “inalienable rights” to sovereign independence. “Palestine” now exists as a partial political entity with its own passports, postage stamps, international calling code and internet domain name.

As the Palestinians move toward defining their identity as a nation, what is still unclear (and under debate) is exactly where that nation’s homeland is–whether in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, perhaps confederated with Jordan or Israel; or in Jordan itself, of which two‑thirds of its population is ethnically identical to the Arab population west of the Jordan River. Finally, many Palestinian militants still argue that Israel itself is a suitable future homeland.

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May 14, 2018 21:45:28   #
Richard Rowland
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, I didn't put those numbers together, how could I possibly do that? At least I am not pulling "a shitload of stuff out of my ass", I'll leave that to you and your anti-Semitic comrades.

Here's a well researched synopsis exposing the truth about your bible: A Hoax of Hate: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (Hitler loved this thing.)

Introduction

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a classic in paranoid, racist literature. Taken by the gullible as the confidential minutes of a Jewish conclave convened in the last years of the nineteenth century, it has been heralded by anti-Semites as proof that Jews are plotting to take over the world. Since its contrivance around the turn of the century by the Russian Okhrana, or Czarist secret police, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" has taken root in bigoted, frightened minds around the world.

The booklet’s twenty-four sections spell out the alleged secret plans of Jewish leaders seeking to attain world domination. They represent the most notorious political forgery of modern times. Although thoroughly discredited, the document is still being used to stir up anti-Semitic hatred.


Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: fraudulent document

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: A Fraud

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

In the late 1800s, European antisemites depicted the Jew as an alien and corrupting element within society. They published inflammatory literature that reviled Jews, depicting them as plotting to undermine Western Christian civilization in order to take over the world.

By the turn of the century, antisemites firmly believed that Jews were collectively scheming to achieve world domination. One of the most influential writings fueling this belief was a widely read publication entitled the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This document was, however, actually a carefully crafted forgery fabricated by the secret police of czarist Russia to justify that government's persecution of Jews. The Protocols offered "proof" of a widespread international Jewish conspiracy. It featured a fictional account of minutes of an alleged secret meeting of subversive Zionist leaders in Basel, Switzerland in in 1897. It even outlined technical plans for a Jewish world state. Exiles from Bolshevist Russia brought copies of the Protocols with them. Alfred Rosenberg, a Nazi Party ideologue, published his own "edited" version in 1923. Adolf Hitler, like many other avowed antisemites, was utterly convinced that the Protocols--and the Jewish conspiracy--were real. (6)

The Protocols: Ruled a Forgery but it was actually a plagiarization

The German edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was declared a forgery by a court in Bern, Switzerland in 1935:

May 31, 1935: A court in Bern, Switzerland, pronounces the German edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a forgery.

On November 28, 1993 The Los Angeles Times reported that the Protocols were ruled an anti-Semitic forgery in a Russian court.

The Protocols was plagiarized from an earlier writing that did not have an anti-Jewish theme:

Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a hoax by Okhranka, the tsarist secret police; most notably, a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921 revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme.

Maurice Joly's "Les Dialogues aux Enfers," published in 1864, "served as the basis for the fraudulent document, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion convinced the majority of Germany to vote Nazi (ie one world government) in 1933 and set the stage for the Holocaust:

Although soon to be proven a blatant hoax by the Berne trial in 1935, the "Protocols" sold 120,000 copies in Germany in one year and helped convince 17 million Germans to vote Nazi in 1933.
No, I didn't put those numbers together, how could... (show quote)


Who mentioned the protocols? That's another of Blade's tactics, always resorts to the protocols. When he does that, you know he's on the ropes.

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May 14, 2018 22:05:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't see YOU providing any definition at all, Blade. Seems to me like all you're doing is reverting to ad hominem attacks on my character - suggesting that I'm not as smart as I think I am. I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others when they say that... It doesn't matter how smart I think I am. Either you can prove me wrong or you can't. So why don't you prove how smart YOU are and provide a convincing argument or empirical evidence that proves I'm wrong about Zionism?
The true purpose of the Zionist movement isn't difficult to research. With your phenomenal intellectual prowess, you could do it in a New York minute. That is of course if you are honest and objective, unfettered by biases, prejudices, Jew hate propaganda, and other anti-Semitic influences.

I should have known better than to wade into this anti-Semitic sewage without my hip boots on. I'll leave you foolish people to wallow in it to your hearts content.



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