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May 14, 2018 08:21:11   #
Richard Rowland
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Ah, gee, I butted in, did I? Prophecies, FYI, are not open to interpretation, either they are proven true or false.

Seriously, a prophecy fulfilled is a prediction "thrown at a wall hoping it will stick"??? Want to talk about odds? OK. What are the odds of one man fulfilling even one prophecy, let alone 8, or more importantly, 414?

Professor of mathematics Peter Stoner gave 600 students a math probability problem that would determine the odds for one person fulfilling eight specific prophecies. (This is not the same as flipping a coin eight times in a row and getting heads each time.) First the students calculated the odds of one person fulfilling all the conditions of one specific prophecy, such as being betrayed by a friend for 30 pieces of silver. Then the students did their best to estimate the odds for all of the eight prophecies combined.

The students calculated that the odds against one person fulfilling all eight prophecies are astronomical-one in ten to the 21st power. To illustrate that number, Stoner gave the following example: “First, blanket the entire Earth land mass with silver dollars 120 feet high. Second, specially mark one of those dollars and randomly bury it. Third, ask a person to travel the Earth and select the marked dollar, while blindfolded, from the trillions of other dollars."

People can do some pretty squishy things with numbers, so it’s important to note that Stoner’s work was reviewed by the American Scientific Association, which stated, “The mathematical analysis … is based upon principles of probability which are thoroughly sound, and Professor Stoner has applied these principles in a proper and convincing way."


Setting aside the thousands of prophetic passages in the OT (which I certainly refuse to "interpret" for you), let's consider just the Messianic prophecies. The seed of the Messianic prophecies was planted 40 centuries before Jesus was born, the last came 3 centuries before. When you synthesize them into a coherent whole, they tell of the man who would announce His coming, they tell of His birth, where He would be born, to whom, and under what circumstances; they tell of His mission on earth and His ministry, and how He and His teachings would be received; they tell of His betrayal and how much money the betrayer would receive; they tell of His arrest, who would arrest Him and why, they tell of His scourging, and crucifixion, they tell us how long His body would be entombed and when He was resurrected, and that He would remain on earth 40 days.

And, all this 3 to 40 centuries before He came.

Some years ago, United States Senate Chaplain Richard Halverson wrote:

"The fact is, the birth, crucifixion, and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ are celebrated worldwide by folk of every race, language, and color, every year. And believing in Jesus, they have been delivered from the most evil, disastrous, frustrating, debilitating habits and life styles possible. The real problem with Jesus Christ is not that folk can't believe in Him—but that they won't believe in Him."
Ah, gee, I butted in, did I? Prophecies, FYI, are ... (show quote)


Okay! If you're so sure of your BS, I find it interesting that you won't interpret a prophecy. Perhaps, if I reworded my request and use the word explanation, you would then have the courage to offer one.

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May 14, 2018 08:48:23   #
son of witless
 
moldyoldy wrote:
FBI: DNC rebuffed request to examine computer servers
In other words, they refused the request.


You are then saying that SOMEBODY is lying about this statement " The DNC told Buzzfeed News that they did not receive a request from the FBI to access their computer servers. " ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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May 14, 2018 08:54:03   #
jeff smith
 
Chocura750 wrote:
Rumitoid, considering the responses you really hit it on the head. Keep going. There are two opposing forces in the world: order and chaos. I think I know which side Trump is on.


which side is that? create a little chaos to bring about order? I think he has done a pretty darn good job so far. considering the resistance he has faced. from both the dumbos and the rinos. and you ask why? well the dumbs hate him for beating the lying criminal. the rinos (some of them) hate him because he beat their buddies. plus he would like to see a shake up in both houses. seeing that they aint got anything done for so long. they sit back and argue with each other pretending to be working and accomplish nothing. I guess they do get one thing done. they collect a nice FAT pay check.

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May 14, 2018 09:41:21   #
moldyoldy
 
son of witless wrote:
You are then saying that SOMEBODY is lying about this statement " The DNC told Buzzfeed News that they did not receive a request from the FBI to access their computer servers. " ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


you posted the link, read it.

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May 14, 2018 09:46:29   #
son of witless
 
moldyoldy wrote:
you posted the link, read it.


I did. The article contradicts what the DNC said. Somebody or maybe both parties, the DNC and the FBI lied. Which is my point. You cannot explain the contradiction. Which was my other point, but I gave you an opportunity. I always give everyone the chance to make their case. You failed.

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May 14, 2018 09:51:07   #
kcstargoat
 
rumitoid wrote:
Did BFF Putin order Trump to bail on Iran? It would appear so. (What does Russia have on him?) The only country in this accord to profit after Truump's withdrawal is Russia: what a coincidence. One more Russian link. But in Trump's admin, Russians are everywhere. Their interference gave him the presidency. And Comey.


Jesus! but the Russian ploy is getting moldy. Mr. Trump isn't in league with the Russians for anything. The fact is we don't need anybody's oil for more than a century. Trump recognizes the value in making Russia our ally.=>

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May 14, 2018 10:09:06   #
moldyoldy
 
son of witless wrote:
I did. The article contradicts what the DNC said. Somebody or maybe both parties, the DNC and the FBI lied. Which is my point. You cannot explain the contradiction. Which was my other point, but I gave you an opportunity. I always give everyone the chance to make their case. You failed.


Is there any reason for going down this rabbit hole, the conclusion will be the same.

“CrowdStrike is pretty good. There’s no reason to believe that anything that they have concluded is not accurate,” the intelligence official said, adding they were confident Russia was behind the widespread hacks.

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May 14, 2018 10:38:19   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
Did BFF Putin order Trump to bail on Iran? It would appear so. (What does Russia have on him?) The only country in this accord to profit after Truump's withdrawal is Russia: what a coincidence. One more Russian link. But in Trump's admin, Russians are everywhere. Their interference gave him the presidency. And Comey.

Honestly, I don't think Trump's withdrawl makes a whole lot of difference. There are still five other powers plus the entire EU market sticking with the deal that Obama set up and those powers, Russia and China in particular have a hell of a lot more sanctioning power over Iran than we do (what, we're not going to buy their pistachios anymore?). All Trump is proving is his obsession over Obama's legacy and his inability to "erase" it.

If we can say anyone is coming out ahead in this situation, it would probably be Iran simply because they tend to benefit politically when the US looses credibility in international affairs and right now with this pullout the US is loosing a LOT of credibility. Despite the fact that Republicans in 2015 did warn Iran that the U.S could pull out of the non-binding agreement when the next president comes in, it's a detail few people will notice. For the most part, the message Trump is sending is that the U.S. is fickle and can't be trusted.

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May 14, 2018 11:29:15   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Honestly, I don't think Trump's withdrawl makes a whole lot of difference. There are still five other powers plus the entire EU market sticking with the deal that Obama set up and those powers, Russia and China in particular have a hell of a lot more sanctioning power over Iran than we do (what, we're not going to buy their pistachios anymore?). All Trump is proving is his obsession over Obama's legacy and his inability to "erase" it.

If we can say anyone is coming out ahead in this situation, it would probably be Iran simply because they tend to benefit politically when the US looses credibility in international affairs and right now with this pullout the US is loosing a LOT of credibility. Despite the fact that Republicans in 2015 did warn Iran that the U.S could pull out of the non-binding agreement when the next president comes in, it's a detail few people will notice. For the most part, the message Trump is sending is that the U.S. is fickle and can't be trusted.
Honestly, I don't think Trump's withdrawl makes a ... (show quote)


The "pull-out" is merely symbolic. Congress has the final say about imposing any new useless and meaningless sanctions. You are right Russia and China have more influence. China, Japan, and S Korea buy the majority of Iranian oil and will continue to do so no matter what the US does barring an all out war. And the European countries with business ties and agreements with Iran will continue as usual barring an all out war. The only thing that could disrupt that is an escalation of an all out war in the Mideast and it appears that that is what Israel and the US's intentions are. You can bet if this happens the price of a barrel of oil will skyrocket.
Of course this will be great for big oil and the military industrial corporations as their profits will soar to the detriment of the US economy and working class citizens.

What the US needs to do is get the hell out of that part of the world (and other places) and stop meddling in their affairs.

Hide and watch.

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May 14, 2018 12:56:32   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
buffalo wrote:
The "pull-out" is merely symbolic. Congress has the final say about imposing any new useless and meaningless sanctions. You are right Russia and China have more influence. China, Japan, and S Korea buy the majority of Iranian oil and will continue to do so no matter what the US does barring an all out war. And the European countries with business ties and agreements with Iran will continue as usual barring an all out war. The only thing that could disrupt that is an escalation of an all out war in the Mideast and it appears that that is what Israel and the US's intentions are. You can bet if this happens the price of a barrel of oil will skyrocket.
Of course this will be great for big oil and the military industrial corporations as their profits will soar to the detriment of the US economy and working class citizens.

What the US needs to do is get the hell out of that part of the world (and other places) and stop meddling in their affairs.

Hide and watch.
The "pull-out" is merely symbolic. Congr... (show quote)


Both Airbus and Boeing have pulled their contracts with Iran. $40 billion roughly. Airbus is in Germany for the A320, so the useless sanctions you refer to will effect any country that still supports Iran deal in some industries. Iran's oil is about 4% of the world's oil production. Prices on world market have started to drop. Some say it is because some countries stayed with Iran agreement, thus they will still be buying their oil. China has softened its position on tariffs/trade imbalance, thus some say that has more to do with oil price drops.

So actually, just more proof that the world economy is very intertwined and sanctions on Iran can effect the non players, if USA chooses to use banking system in that way. Not useless, when working to get a country like Iran to the table and stop attempting to take over the Middle East or spread terror world wide or destroy Israel and many USA assets. Hiding and watching will not change their stated objectives of control of all the other Middle East countries.

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May 14, 2018 13:00:39   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
Honestly, I don't think Trump's withdrawl makes a whole lot of difference. There are still five other powers plus the entire EU market sticking with the deal that Obama set up and those powers, Russia and China in particular have a hell of a lot more sanctioning power over Iran than we do (what, we're not going to buy their pistachios anymore?). All Trump is proving is his obsession over Obama's legacy and his inability to "erase" it.

If we can say anyone is coming out ahead in this situation, it would probably be Iran simply because they tend to benefit politically when the US looses credibility in international affairs and right now with this pullout the US is loosing a LOT of credibility. Despite the fact that Republicans in 2015 did warn Iran that the U.S could pull out of the non-binding agreement when the next president comes in, it's a detail few people will notice. For the most part, the message Trump is sending is that the U.S. is fickle and can't be trusted.
Honestly, I don't think Trump's withdrawl makes a ... (show quote)


The US is losing credibility and can't be trusted ? Of course you mean the way Obummer left Iraq to ISIS.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal

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May 14, 2018 13:05:46   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
Both Airbus and Boeing have pulled their contracts with Iran. $40 billion roughly. Airbus is in Germany for the A320, so the useless sanctions you refer to will effect any country that still supports Iran deal in some industries. Iran's oil is about 4% of the world's oil production. Prices on world market have started to drop. Some say it is because some countries stayed with Iran agreement, thus they will still be buying their oil. China has softened its position on tariffs/trade imbalance, thus some say that has more to do with oil price drops.

So actually, just more proof that the world economy is very intertwined and sanctions on Iran can effect the non players, if USA chooses to use banking system in that way. Not useless, when working to get a country like Iran to the table and stop attempting to take over the Middle East or spread terror world wide or destroy Israel and many USA assets. Hiding and watching will not change their stated objectives of control of all the other Middle East countries.
Both Airbus and Boeing have pulled their contracts... (show quote)


And the $20 BILLION Boeing contract will hurt US Boeing workers.

Iran is still the world's 5th largest producer of oil at over 4 million bbls per day of very conventional (meaning easy to refine) oil. China, along with Japan and S Korea, will still purchase most of Iran's oil.

Like I said, hide and watch. A new and escalated "military action", "war" is coming to the mideast courtesy of the US. The military industrial corporations and their Wall street banksters are drooling at the mouth with visions of dollar signs dancing in their heads.

Last I checked oil was $71.00/bbl and still climbing. Have you not noticed the price of gasoline rising substantially lately or do you ride a bike and carry your lunch?

To ignore the role that Israel plays is to ignore the most important issue in the mideast. Is it not a coincidence that as soon as it appears Iran will continue down the nuclear brick road , there is already an Israeli/Iranian confrontation . Maybe, just maybe, we should stop interfering. That's what got us to where we are today.

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May 14, 2018 20:04:30   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
buffalo wrote:
The "pull-out" is merely symbolic. Congress has the final say about imposing any new useless and meaningless sanctions. You are right Russia and China have more influence. China, Japan, and S Korea buy the majority of Iranian oil and will continue to do so no matter what the US does barring an all out war. And the European countries with business ties and agreements with Iran will continue as usual barring an all out war. The only thing that could disrupt that is an escalation of an all out war in the Mideast and it appears that that is what Israel and the US's intentions are. You can bet if this happens the price of a barrel of oil will skyrocket.
Of course this will be great for big oil and the military industrial corporations as their profits will soar to the detriment of the US economy and working class citizens.

What the US needs to do is get the hell out of that part of the world (and other places) and stop meddling in their affairs.

Hide and watch.
The "pull-out" is merely symbolic. Congr... (show quote)

I couldn't agree more.

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May 14, 2018 20:20:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
Both Airbus and Boeing have pulled their contracts with Iran. $40 billion roughly. Airbus is in Germany for the A320, so the useless sanctions you refer to will effect any country that still supports Iran deal in some industries. Iran's oil is about 4% of the world's oil production. Prices on world market have started to drop. Some say it is because some countries stayed with Iran agreement, thus they will still be buying their oil. China has softened its position on tariffs/trade imbalance, thus some say that has more to do with oil price drops.

So actually, just more proof that the world economy is very intertwined and sanctions on Iran can effect the non players, if USA chooses to use banking system in that way. Not useless, when working to get a country like Iran to the table and stop attempting to take over the Middle East or spread terror world wide or destroy Israel and many USA assets. Hiding and watching will not change their stated objectives of control of all the other Middle East countries.
Both Airbus and Boeing have pulled their contracts... (show quote)


I think if you really look at the the history of the middle-east since the industrial age you will find that Britain, France and the U.S. have been far more aggressive at "taking over" the middle east than Iran has been and it could be argued that everything Iran has done has been defensive, including their own revolution that kicked the U.S. out of Tehran.

As for the sanctions, I'm not sure I see your point. How does Airbus (which is actually a multinational company) and Boeing impact other countries if they are only pulling contracts from Iran? ...Honest question.

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May 14, 2018 20:26:03   #
Richard Rowland
 
Moving to a more pleasant subject: I just caught the opening segment of "Dancing With the Stars." Damn, those women are gorgeous.

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