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Trump Could Fire Mueller, But He would Need An Excellent Reason, And It Would Be Obstruction
Apr 24, 2018 13:32:30   #
woodguru
 
So what if Trump could fire Mueller if he can't do it without triggering an impeachment for obstruction?

Comey actually makes an excellent example of yes he could fire Comey, and he did, but he did not use his head as far as reasons to do so.

Had Trump took that on the first few weeks he was in office he'd have had full support for getting rid of him, the left was pretty annoyed with his role in the election. It's actually safe to say that being prosecuted for Logan act violations would have been popular.

Once the FBI was actively involved in looking into Russia's interference in our elections and the Trump campaign along with both the senate and house intelligence committees, firing Comey was trickier because of the appearance of making the investigation go away. Trump never will understand how inappropriate it is for the president to even talk to the FBI director about any aspect of the investigation, to say anything that would seem to be trying to influence that investigation in any way.

Trump has been ridiculously clumsy with questions about the investigation, and too many overt attempts to try to get the FBI and DOJ to do his bidding as far as going after people and letting them go when they are under scrutiny. He tweets his feelings and beliefs and what he thinks people in positions of authority "need to do". That coming from the president is exactly the same thing as picking up the phone and calling the person you are absolutely prohibited from calling and telling them to do that.

So then when Trump fires Comey and literally comes out in an interview and says that the american people wanted an end to the Russia thing, so he took action to end it by firing Comey, then is on video with Russian diplomats saying he made the Russian investigation go away, he cannot backtrack that and say he fired him for the thing he should have fired him for right away if it were such a big deal.

Then to have tried to convince Comey prior to being fired that Flynn was really a good guy, and Comey needed to get the FBI to leave him alone, firing him when he refused to do what he wanted is not going to fly. In the first place the white house and Trump personally had already been warned during the transition that there were some serious security issues with Flynn. Covering for people who should be immediately fired seems to be a pattern for Trump.

Back to Mueller, firing him would create a shitstorm of a constitutional crisis that would demand an impeachment. The timing would be really bad, because the whole case as Mueller has it right now would be in the public eye, leaked if that's what it takes. This would be the all consuming thing going into the mid terms, the case would be played out in the public eye, FOX against facts, and at some point FOX would cave and start covering the real facts, again right before the election. Public opinion would force the GOP to cave way before the election.

We are going to be looking at cold hard facts. Real estate transaction records, who bought property, who it was sold to, how much was made, and where the money was parked. Tax records will be used against those facts, and no amount of right wing spin can alter the fact that money laundering and tax evasion was a theme for Trump's whole inner circle. If he had involvements with Russian oligarchs that were illegal he will be caught cold with evidence. No amount of how dirty anyone involved in the investigation is is going to get Trump's inner circle and Trump out of this.

At this point if Dems get control of the house they will be able to take investigations into obstruction by the house intelligence committee and other republicans. Sessions could be charged with perjury because the statute of limitations is not up. I will admit though that it isn't Dems style to go after the past when there will be so much to figure out about what happened as far as Russian hacking.

All I can say is that Pence is vastly better than Trump as long as he doesn't have the weakness for Putin that Trump does. He can do anything as far as I'm concerned as long as he addresses the threats Russia poses as seriously as it should be.

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Apr 24, 2018 13:56:22   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
woodguru wrote:
So what if Trump could fire Mueller if he can't do it without triggering an impeachment for obstruction?

Comey actually makes an excellent example of yes he could fire Comey, and he did, but he did not use his head as far as reasons to do so.

Had Trump took that on the first few weeks he was in office he'd have had full support for getting rid of him, the left was pretty annoyed with his role in the election. It's actually safe to say that being prosecuted for Logan act violations would have been popular.

Once the FBI was actively involved in looking into Russia's interference in our elections and the Trump campaign along with both the senate and house intelligence committees, firing Comey was trickier because of the appearance of making the investigation go away. Trump never will understand how inappropriate it is for the president to even talk to the FBI director about any aspect of the investigation, to say anything that would seem to be trying to influence that investigation in any way.

Trump has been ridiculously clumsy with questions about the investigation, and too many overt attempts to try to get the FBI and DOJ to do his bidding as far as going after people and letting them go when they are under scrutiny. He tweets his feelings and beliefs and what he thinks people in positions of authority "need to do". That coming from the president is exactly the same thing as picking up the phone and calling the person you are absolutely prohibited from calling and telling them to do that.

So then when Trump fires Comey and literally comes out in an interview and says that the american people wanted an end to the Russia thing, so he took action to end it by firing Comey, then is on video with Russian diplomats saying he made the Russian investigation go away, he cannot backtrack that and say he fired him for the thing he should have fired him for right away if it were such a big deal.

Then to have tried to convince Comey prior to being fired that Flynn was really a good guy, and Comey needed to get the FBI to leave him alone, firing him when he refused to do what he wanted is not going to fly. In the first place the white house and Trump personally had already been warned during the transition that there were some serious security issues with Flynn. Covering for people who should be immediately fired seems to be a pattern for Trump.

Back to Mueller, firing him would create a shitstorm of a constitutional crisis that would demand an impeachment. The timing would be really bad, because the whole case as Mueller has it right now would be in the public eye, leaked if that's what it takes. This would be the all consuming thing going into the mid terms, the case would be played out in the public eye, FOX against facts, and at some point FOX would cave and start covering the real facts, again right before the election. Public opinion would force the GOP to cave way before the election.

We are going to be looking at cold hard facts. Real estate transaction records, who bought property, who it was sold to, how much was made, and where the money was parked. Tax records will be used against those facts, and no amount of right wing spin can alter the fact that money laundering and tax evasion was a theme for Trump's whole inner circle. If he had involvements with Russian oligarchs that were illegal he will be caught cold with evidence. No amount of how dirty anyone involved in the investigation is is going to get Trump's inner circle and Trump out of this.

At this point if Dems get control of the house they will be able to take investigations into obstruction by the house intelligence committee and other republicans. Sessions could be charged with perjury because the statute of limitations is not up. I will admit though that it isn't Dems style to go after the past when there will be so much to figure out about what happened as far as Russian hacking.

All I can say is that Pence is vastly better than Trump as long as he doesn't have the weakness for Putin that Trump does. He can do anything as far as I'm concerned as long as he addresses the threats Russia poses as seriously as it should be.
So what if Trump could fire Mueller if he can't do... (show quote)

You guys just itching for President to fire Mueiler so you can scream INSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!!!INSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!!! However you guys out of gas on this......President is NOT going to fire Mueller,so please STFU about it!!!

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Apr 24, 2018 15:36:08   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
So what if Trump could fire Mueller if he can't do it without triggering an impeachment for obstruction?

Comey actually makes an excellent example of yes he could fire Comey, and he did, but he did not use his head as far as reasons to do so.

Had Trump took that on the first few weeks he was in office he'd have had full support for getting rid of him, the left was pretty annoyed with his role in the election. It's actually safe to say that being prosecuted for Logan act violations would have been popular.

Once the FBI was actively involved in looking into Russia's interference in our elections and the Trump campaign along with both the senate and house intelligence committees, firing Comey was trickier because of the appearance of making the investigation go away. Trump never will understand how inappropriate it is for the president to even talk to the FBI director about any aspect of the investigation, to say anything that would seem to be trying to influence that investigation in any way.

Trump has been ridiculously clumsy with questions about the investigation, and too many overt attempts to try to get the FBI and DOJ to do his bidding as far as going after people and letting them go when they are under scrutiny. He tweets his feelings and beliefs and what he thinks people in positions of authority "need to do". That coming from the president is exactly the same thing as picking up the phone and calling the person you are absolutely prohibited from calling and telling them to do that.

So then when Trump fires Comey and literally comes out in an interview and says that the american people wanted an end to the Russia thing, so he took action to end it by firing Comey, then is on video with Russian diplomats saying he made the Russian investigation go away, he cannot backtrack that and say he fired him for the thing he should have fired him for right away if it were such a big deal.

Then to have tried to convince Comey prior to being fired that Flynn was really a good guy, and Comey needed to get the FBI to leave him alone, firing him when he refused to do what he wanted is not going to fly. In the first place the white house and Trump personally had already been warned during the transition that there were some serious security issues with Flynn. Covering for people who should be immediately fired seems to be a pattern for Trump.

Back to Mueller, firing him would create a shitstorm of a constitutional crisis that would demand an impeachment. The timing would be really bad, because the whole case as Mueller has it right now would be in the public eye, leaked if that's what it takes. This would be the all consuming thing going into the mid terms, the case would be played out in the public eye, FOX against facts, and at some point FOX would cave and start covering the real facts, again right before the election. Public opinion would force the GOP to cave way before the election.

We are going to be looking at cold hard facts. Real estate transaction records, who bought property, who it was sold to, how much was made, and where the money was parked. Tax records will be used against those facts, and no amount of right wing spin can alter the fact that money laundering and tax evasion was a theme for Trump's whole inner circle. If he had involvements with Russian oligarchs that were illegal he will be caught cold with evidence. No amount of how dirty anyone involved in the investigation is is going to get Trump's inner circle and Trump out of this.

At this point if Dems get control of the house they will be able to take investigations into obstruction by the house intelligence committee and other republicans. Sessions could be charged with perjury because the statute of limitations is not up. I will admit though that it isn't Dems style to go after the past when there will be so much to figure out about what happened as far as Russian hacking.

All I can say is that Pence is vastly better than Trump as long as he doesn't have the weakness for Putin that Trump does. He can do anything as far as I'm concerned as long as he addresses the threats Russia poses as seriously as it should be.
So what if Trump could fire Mueller if he can't do... (show quote)




You are an absolutely the worst lying and dirty snake on line.You and your fantasies of how bad trump is are just pathetic.You need a shrink .

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Apr 24, 2018 15:48:00   #
woodguru
 
vernon wrote:
You are an absolutely the worst lying and dirty snake on line.You and your fantasies of how bad trump is are just pathetic.You need a shrink .


The right makes up stories and it's the real news, the left talks about the facts that are easy to check out and they are lies. I cut the right and refrain from calling them liars even though they are repeating really stupid lies, figuring that they believe the lies so it doesn't make them liars. I check my facts so please refrain from the liar call.

According to the right it is not a lie if you believe it or are ignorant. To be a lie you have to know you are telling lies.

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Apr 24, 2018 15:52:49   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
woodguru wrote:
The right makes up stories and it's the real news, the left talks about the facts that are easy to check out and they are lies. I cut the right and refrain from calling them liars even though they are repeating really stupid lies, figuring that they believe the lies so it doesn't make them liars. I check my facts so please refrain from the liar call.

According to the right it is not a lie if you believe it or are ignorant. To be a lie you have to know you are telling lies.


You guys been screaming for the last 6 months that he is going to fire Mueller...And heis still here...So,please stop your non-sense,,,

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Apr 25, 2018 16:43:56   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
The right makes up stories and it's the real news, the left talks about the facts that are easy to check out and they are lies. I cut the right and refrain from calling them liars even though they are repeating really stupid lies, figuring that they believe the lies so it doesn't make them liars. I check my facts so please refrain from the liar call.

According to the right it is not a lie if you believe it or are ignorant. To be a lie you have to know you are telling lies.


you woulden't know a fact if it poped up and slapped the hell out of your lying ass.

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