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Apr 21, 2018 19:21:01   #
Bruce Hass
 
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."

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Apr 21, 2018 19:30:44   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary stu... (show quote)
Sounds to me like professor Phelps is in the throws of white guilt.

The primary reason well intentioned evangelicals lend their support to Trump is because of the deplorable unholy mess that opposes him. If that brands us as intolerant, so be it.

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Apr 21, 2018 19:36:30   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary stu... (show quote)



I started to read this and threw in the towel. It looks like the usual leftist psycho-babble.

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Apr 21, 2018 20:17:46   #
Bruce Hass
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I started to read this and threw in the towel. It looks like the usual leftist psycho-babble.

>>>>>
I tried to alert you with an honest title. Thanks for trying.

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Apr 21, 2018 21:51:39   #
Lonewolf
 
Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
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Apr 21, 2018 21:58:49   #
Betta
 
You have not made the distinction between man-made religion and true followers of Christ. There's a HUGE difference between the two.



Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary stu... (show quote)

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Apr 21, 2018 22:25:06   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I started to read this and threw in the towel. It looks like the usual leftist psycho-babble.

It is...They never fight against the lucy Shiite muslim practices. They take our meekness for weakness.
They never have/had the guts to fight CAIR or the old Indicted Radical Holyland Foundation.

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Apr 22, 2018 02:50:24   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary stu... (show quote)



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Apr 22, 2018 03:11:10   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sounds to me like professor Phelps is in the throws of white guilt.

The primary reason well intentioned evangelicals lend their support to Trump is because of the deplorable unholy mess that opposes him. If that brands us as intolerant, so be it.


Trump has an unholy mess opposing him (he is an unholy deplorable mess), so they support an unholy deplorable mess...not sure how or why that works.

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Apr 22, 2018 04:02:09   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump has an unholy mess opposing him (he is an unholy deplorable mess), so they support an unholy deplorable mess...not sure how or why that works.


It works only in your twisted little mind. The Bible spoke that in the end times good would be called bad, bad would be called good. Woodguru is a prime example of the truth in the bible.
Anthithical to what is good, woodguru leads the way.

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Apr 22, 2018 06:00:50   #
debeda
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sounds to me like professor Phelps is in the throws of white guilt.

The primary reason well intentioned evangelicals lend their support to Trump is because of the deplorable unholy mess that opposes him. If that brands us as intolerant, so be it.



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Apr 22, 2018 06:01:10   #
debeda
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I started to read this and threw in the towel. It looks like the usual leftist psycho-babble.



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Apr 22, 2018 06:22:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Speaking of "Evangelicals: “We aren’t called to be like others the world calls 'Christians'; We are called to be like Christ.” A. W. Tozer

Spiritual Wisdom:
1st Corinthians 2:14-16: "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 'For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ."

This quoted professor Phelps knows nothing of what Christianity is or is not! His words "expose" only his own pure ignorance:
Quote:
: "There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism."


The only viable alternative to President Trump was Hillary Clinton, a very evil disciple of the devil, (abortion on demand) criminal (pay-to-play Clinton Foundation) woman who has exhibited no morals, no love for country (Benghazi), no interest in defending our country (open border), who called us all "deplorable."

A Modern definition of Evangelicalism, i.e., evangelical Christianity, is the worldwide, cross-denominational, faithful Bible believing Christian community who retain their belief in the essence of the Biblical Gospel, consisting of the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ's atonement, as it was written two thousand years ago, and as it still reads today.

Before His crucifixion, Jesus told His followers they should expect to always be hated, and they should expect to have "an image problem.": "If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you." John 15:18-19

"Luke 6:26, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.“

1st Peter 2:9:"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people to be His very own and to proclaim the wonderful deeds of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light."

In America today, this is a common refrain: “I hate Christians, Christians are stupid, Christians are annoying, Christians are judgmental bigots.”
If you are a Bible believing Christian living in America I know that you have heard words such as these before. Why are we hated by the world? It doesn’t take much for you to be hated. If you profess Christ as your Lord and Savior, you will be persecuted... All you have to do is open your mouth.

President Trump is a very successful businessman who loves the United States of America.

His entire life has been an open book due to the publicity he has always received. He has not applied to be our Pastor. He ran for office for the executive position of being head Administrator of our national government and the Commander in Chief of our military.

In spite of the lying, unprofessional national media who have gnashed their teeth at him since day one, and the RINOs in his own party who will stop at nothing to defeat every policy he proposes for the well being of the nation, and the godless, lawless, wannabee dictator, democrats, he is succeeding.

Evangelicals are clear eyed, living as sojourners in the real world that God created, and have common sense. Our loyalty is to Jesus Christ and our feet are firmly planted on terra earth.

Matthew 22:20-21: “Whose likeness is this,” He (Jesus) asked, “and whose inscription?”
“Caesar’s,” they answered. So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”




Bruce Hass wrote:
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary studies at Mercer University in Macon, GA wrote an article titled "Maybe It's Time to Admit that the 'Grotesque Caricature' of White Evangelicals is the Reality" where he examines the pathology. He writes the following:

"There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.
“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling shows that overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era. And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.
Phelps posits the pretext that the White Evangelical uses to support Donald Trump and turns it on its head.
Given the consistency with which white evangelicals as a whole have lent their support to Trump—and right-wing candidates and policies more generally—it’s far past time to own up to the fact that the image is, in many respects, the reality."

"Well-intentioned evangelical leaders may not like to hear that, but it remains the case that an overwhelming majority of evangelicals continue to support Trump and his policies. Sure, they may have issues with his moral center, or lack thereof, but they’re willing to overlook all this for the sake of political expediency, for promises of “religious freedom,” and the hope of a judiciary stacked with conservative judges. This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control."
Hollis Phelps', Professor of Interdisciplinary stu... (show quote)

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Apr 22, 2018 06:49:54   #
debeda
 
Zemirah wrote:
Speaking of "Evangelicals: “We aren’t called to be like others the world calls 'Christians'; We are called to be like Christ.” A. W. Tozer

Spiritual Wisdom:
1st Corinthians 2:14-16: "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 'For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ."

This quoted professor Phelps knows nothing of what Christianity is or is not! His words "expose" only his own pure ignorance:
Speaking of "Evangelicals: “We aren’t called ... (show quote)


Great post Zemirah!!

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Apr 22, 2018 07:07:28   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
[quote=Zemirah]Speaking of "Evangelicals: “We aren’t called to be like others the world calls 'Christians'; We are called to be like Christ.” A. W. Tozer

Spiritual Wisdom:
1st Corinthians 2:14-16: "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 'For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ."

This quoted professor Phelps knows nothing of what Christianity is or is not! His words "expose" only his own pure ignorance:[/quote



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