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Apr 20, 2018 11:40:33   #
PeterS
 
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just joined Trumps legal team to negotiate an end to the Mueller investigation and he thinks it will take two weeks to complete.

Now the questions I have are how do you negotiate an end to an investigation, especially one this complex, and just how on earth do you think it will take only two weeks to complete? Just what does Giuliani think he has that Mueller wants because the last I checked a negotiation is two parts--you give me this and I will give you that. Now Giuliani does have contacts with the FBI as he demonstrated when he announced on FOX--just days before it happened--that there was going to be an October surprise involving Hillary.

So this is an interesting event but just how's he going to negotiation an end, outside of a payoff to Mueller, because I don't see what the two sides have to offer each other as part of a give and take. Now I'm not under estimating Rudy but if he thought he could negotiate an end--well why hasn't he done it before this? He is best buds with Trump after all and his best bud has been twisting by the short and curlies for close to a year. Why didn't he use his contacts in the FBI well before this--or has he and he's got the ball rolling?

Well only the future will tell but if Rudy does get this wrapped up in two weeks then he better be transparent or the explosion that is anticipated from the right will just be transferred to the left....

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Apr 20, 2018 11:46:14   #
Carol Kelly
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just joined Trumps legal team to negotiate an end to the Mueller investigation and he thinks it will take two weeks to complete.

Now the questions I have are how do you negotiate an end to an investigation, especially one this complex, and just how on earth do you think it will take only two weeks to complete? Just what does Giuliani think he has that Mueller wants because the last I checked a negotiation is two parts--you give me this and I will give you that. Now Giuliani does have contacts with the FBI as he demonstrated when he announced on FOX--just days before it happened--that there was going to be an October surprise involving Hillary.

So this is an interesting event but just how's he going to negotiation an end, outside of a payoff to Mueller, because I don't see what the two sides have to offer each other as part of a give and take. Now I'm not under estimating Rudy but if he thought he could negotiate an end--well why hasn't he done it before this? He is best buds with Trump after all and his best bud has been twisting by the short and curlies for close to a year. Why didn't he use his contacts in the FBI well before this--or has he and he's got the ball rolling?

Well only the future will tell but if Rudy does get this wrapped up in two weeks then he better be transparent or the explosion that is anticipated from the right will just be transferred to the left....
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just jo... (show quote)


Accidentally began to read this because I admire Giuliani, then saw who wrote it and can’t
Be bothered to read anymore.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:09:32   #
Radiance3
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Accidentally began to read this because I admire Giuliani, then saw who wrote it and can’t
Be bothered to read anymore.

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In addition, Giuliani was a brilliant Attorney of Southern Dist. of NY during the 80's. He prosecuted die hard criminals and cleaned up so many. From January 1994 to 2001, Giuliani was the most successful mayor of NYC. Before he took over NYC, the city was populated with violent criminals on the streets and all over. Rampant crimes almost took over the city. Giuliani cleaned up the NYC of criminals, the city became the safest place to live. He left a very clean, successful and beautiful city after the end of his tenure.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:10:27   #
Kevyn
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just joined Trumps legal team to negotiate an end to the Mueller investigation and he thinks it will take two weeks to complete.

Now the questions I have are how do you negotiate an end to an investigation, especially one this complex, and just how on earth do you think it will take only two weeks to complete? Just what does Giuliani think he has that Mueller wants because the last I checked a negotiation is two parts--you give me this and I will give you that. Now Giuliani does have contacts with the FBI as he demonstrated when he announced on FOX--just days before it happened--that there was going to be an October surprise involving Hillary.

So this is an interesting event but just how's he going to negotiation an end, outside of a payoff to Mueller, because I don't see what the two sides have to offer each other as part of a give and take. Now I'm not under estimating Rudy but if he thought he could negotiate an end--well why hasn't he done it before this? He is best buds with Trump after all and his best bud has been twisting by the short and curlies for close to a year. Why didn't he use his contacts in the FBI well before this--or has he and he's got the ball rolling?

Well only the future will tell but if Rudy does get this wrapped up in two weeks then he better be transparent or the explosion that is anticipated from the right will just be transferred to the left....
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just jo... (show quote)
He likely was in bed with Trump on dirty real estate and business dealings while he was mayor. The reasonable explanation is that his balls are in the same vice as the Pumpkinfuhrers, and Mueller is tightening the screws.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:14:20   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Kevyn wrote:
He likely was in bed with Trump on dirty real estate and business dealings while he was mayor. The reasonable explanation is that his balls are in the same vice as the Pumpkinfuhrers, and Mueller is tightening the screws.
it is so fun watching all of you haters scramble and scratch because you're so desperate because you know Trump is innocent, and you have nothing else.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:32:25   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
it is so fun watching all of you haters scramble and scratch because you're so desperate because you know Trump is innocent, and you have nothing else.

If he's innocent then there is nothing for Giuliani to negotiate. The only negotiation is if there is some from of guilt.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:34:39   #
PeterS
 
Kevyn wrote:
He likely was in bed with Trump on dirty real estate and business dealings while he was mayor. The reasonable explanation is that his balls are in the same vice as the Pumpkinfuhrers, and Mueller is tightening the screws.

The only one I know for sure that he's in bed with is with someone in the FBI because someone tipped him off to Comey reopening Hillary's emails.

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Apr 20, 2018 12:59:58   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just joined Trumps legal team to negotiate an end to the Mueller investigation and he thinks it will take two weeks to complete.

Now the questions I have are how do you negotiate an end to an investigation, especially one this complex, and just how on earth do you think it will take only two weeks to complete? Just what does Giuliani think he has that Mueller wants because the last I checked a negotiation is two parts--you give me this and I will give you that. Now Giuliani does have contacts with the FBI as he demonstrated when he announced on FOX--just days before it happened--that there was going to be an October surprise involving Hillary.

So this is an interesting event but just how's he going to negotiation an end, outside of a payoff to Mueller, because I don't see what the two sides have to offer each other as part of a give and take. Now I'm not under estimating Rudy but if he thought he could negotiate an end--well why hasn't he done it before this? He is best buds with Trump after all and his best bud has been twisting by the short and curlies for close to a year. Why didn't he use his contacts in the FBI well before this--or has he and he's got the ball rolling?

Well only the future will tell but if Rudy does get this wrapped up in two weeks then he better be transparent or the explosion that is anticipated from the right will just be transferred to the left....
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just jo... (show quote)



Do to your name on it, it is a moot point and a joke like you.

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Apr 20, 2018 13:02:14   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
PeterS wrote:
If he's innocent then there is nothing for Giuliani to negotiate. The only negotiation is if there is some from of guilt.


Innocent is not the question, it's called a witch hunt, that is the only problem. It's old commie practice.

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Apr 20, 2018 13:08:34   #
woodguru
 
Trump or the incompetent white house attorneys never did get the key messages.

The FBI when in an investigation do not work for Trump. Trump has no business contacting anyone involved in an investigation that involves Trump, ever, for any reason. He is prohibited from talking to others even peripherally in what could seem like an attempt to shut down, inhibit, or otherwise influence the people involved.

Trump has personal attorneys, which by the way he should be paying but he uses campaign funds for a campaign that was started at least two years earlier than it needs to. White house attorneys do not work for Trump, in fact they represent the government and their purpose is to advise Trump when he is infringing on the people and government. Trump not understanding this refuses to take the advise of those attorneys who are not working for him at all.

Trump, if he understood this relationship would also understand that if he has anything to say to or about the FBI and the Mueller probe, he would say it through white house counsel, who could tell him he was out of line or not.

Bringing Giuliani in as counsel he better know whether it is as personal counsel or white house counsel. Mueller will slap this fool around like the moron he is if he fails to respect the boundaries that exist with white house communications with this investigation that is all about Trump.

The white house and intelligence committees are already so far over the line in terms of obstructing and interfering with this investigation that it's ridiculous.

Giuliani could easily blunder in, seeing how Trump has gotten away with an unacceptable level of interference, and double down way across the line and trigger immediate obstruction charges where Mueller will roll out the rest of his obstruction case. At the very least congress could be forced into implementing a hands off gag order for the administration.

This is some entertaining stuff here, Trump reality at it's best, sort of like one of the really idiotic reality shows.

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Apr 20, 2018 13:17:11   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump or the incompetent white house attorneys never did get the key messages.

The FBI when in an investigation do not work for Trump. Trump has no business contacting anyone involved in an investigation that involves Trump, ever, for any reason. He is prohibited from talking to others even peripherally in what could seem like an attempt to shut down, inhibit, or otherwise influence the people involved.

Trump has personal attorneys, which by the way he should be paying but he uses campaign funds for a campaign that was started at least two years earlier than it needs to. White house attorneys do not work for Trump, in fact they represent the government and their purpose is to advise Trump when he is infringing on the people and government. Trump not understanding this refuses to take the advise of those attorneys who are not working for him at all.

Trump, if he understood this relationship would also understand that if he has anything to say to or about the FBI and the Mueller probe, he would say it through white house counsel, who could tell him he was out of line or not.

Bringing Giuliani in as counsel he better know whether it is as personal counsel or white house counsel. Mueller will slap this fool around like the moron he is if he fails to respect the boundaries that exist with white house communications with this investigation that is all about Trump.

The white house and intelligence committees are already so far over the line in terms of obstructing and interfering with this investigation that it's ridiculous.

Giuliani could easily blunder in, seeing how Trump has gotten away with an unacceptable level of interference, and double down way across the line and trigger immediate obstruction charges where Mueller will roll out the rest of his obstruction case. At the very least congress could be forced into implementing a hands off gag order for the administration.

This is some entertaining stuff here, Trump reality at it's best, sort of like one of the really idiotic reality shows.
Trump or the incompetent white house attorneys nev... (show quote)




Look boy, after a year of Mueller jerking off and having nothing to show about Russia, I do not blame Trump for being pissed off.
So, come 2020 you can campaign for your next Obama.

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Apr 20, 2018 15:50:31   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
PeterS wrote:
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just joined Trumps legal team to negotiate an end to the Mueller investigation and he thinks it will take two weeks to complete.

Now the questions I have are how do you negotiate an end to an investigation, especially one this complex, and just how on earth do you think it will take only two weeks to complete? Just what does Giuliani think he has that Mueller wants because the last I checked a negotiation is two parts--you give me this and I will give you that. Now Giuliani does have contacts with the FBI as he demonstrated when he announced on FOX--just days before it happened--that there was going to be an October surprise involving Hillary.

So this is an interesting event but just how's he going to negotiation an end, outside of a payoff to Mueller, because I don't see what the two sides have to offer each other as part of a give and take. Now I'm not under estimating Rudy but if he thought he could negotiate an end--well why hasn't he done it before this? He is best buds with Trump after all and his best bud has been twisting by the short and curlies for close to a year. Why didn't he use his contacts in the FBI well before this--or has he and he's got the ball rolling?

Well only the future will tell but if Rudy does get this wrapped up in two weeks then he better be transparent or the explosion that is anticipated from the right will just be transferred to the left....
Rudy Giuliani announced last night that he just jo... (show quote)


Obviously Trump will fall for anything, and ole Rudy is nuttier than a fruitcake.

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Apr 20, 2018 16:02:24   #
woodguru
 
cold iron wrote:
Innocent is not the question, it's called a witch hunt, that is the only problem. It's old commie practice.


A witch hunt is like Benghazi, it goes on and on and on for years, producing nothing over and over.

Mueller on the other hand has brought down indictments, guilty pleas, and agreements to testify. It's actually very easy to see by warrants what he's looking for, and by charges what these people were doing and how it might apply to Trump.

You are right, innocence is not the question, I'm pretty sure that even the blindest supporter knows that if the people around Trump were involved in crimes so was Trump. Guilt is the question.

For what the right insists is a witch hunt, it's sure coming up with a lot of facts and evidence, doesn't that worry you more than the rhetoric that there is nothing there?

Watergate ended with dozens of people convicted of crimes, and this thing is way bigger.

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Apr 20, 2018 16:04:09   #
woodguru
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Obviously Trump will fall for anything, and ole Rudy is nuttier than a fruitcake.


If nothing else it will be entertaining.

Christy wants in, all he has to do is tell Trump how big the port authority is and how well connected he is.

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Apr 20, 2018 16:13:21   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
If he's innocent then there is nothing for Giuliani to negotiate. The only negotiation is if there is some from of guilt.
That's an ignorant assumption you just made. (Not surprisingly.)

The negotiation is about ending an investigation that is in search a crime.

Just like Comey's super secret memos revealed, there is no crime to investigate with Trump.

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