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Apr 16, 2018 17:46:11   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
One too many times while on public assistance All of this is predicated on these women going on the dole and continuing their reckless lifestyles. I made it clear that the purpose of jailing her was to prevent her from continuing to copulate. If she is incapable of restraining her appetites and incapable of paying for the results of her behavior then she is a common criminal. If it takes until menopause, so be it. It is her choice. If this is so unacceptable the don't provide any assistance because it is unacceptable to me to have additional dependents riding my back without my agreeing to support someone else's whelps.

Your suggestion to stop fanning the fire is great, this ends it for me.
One too many times while on public assistance All... (show quote)


That's very well considering not one issue I addressed did you remark on and you only reiterated what you already espoused which did not validate your case any further and solved nothing. What I was attempting was consideration of another remedy, but it appears you've only come to a brick wall and that's all you got. Some things are not easily resolved, are they?

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Apr 16, 2018 18:03:13   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
Hahah ~LMAO, You are correct that is an easy club membership, and yet YOU are one of those that is willing to lower the bar to accept such a person who is so devoid of morals, as in being honest, truthful, to sit in the seat of the President of the United States, all the while yelling from the torrid what a liar Hillary is, even she is not a psychopathological liar.

I imagine this must not fit well with any foreign leader who sits in a position to speak to him and endeavors to form any kind of fiduciary mutual agreement. That, in reality, has to be laughable and impossible.

I am thankful I don't have the same opinion of all men as you. Yes, I believe NOT all men view women as a piece of meat and they have respect for them. Again you do align yourself with Trump and I understand why you and other men voted for him. Really any women that voted for him would have to have their head examined, it would equate to a Jew voting for Hitler, but that's JMO.
Hahah ~LMAO, You are correct that is an easy club ... (show quote)





HI Morgan, hope all is well with you.

I do believe we become to different degrees bias and short term memory for our party. We could go back and forth all day on which politicians lie the most, let's not and say we did.
I'm really growing tired of all politicians. I believe in a platform, unfortunately politicians don't anymore.
Just for curiosity I did a quick search on Hillary lying. She did have some whoppers.
To hear Hillary Clinton tell it, she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Mount Everest — even though she was already 6 years old when he made his famous ascent.

On a visit to war-torn Bosnia in 1996, she claimed she and her entourage landed under sniper fire and had to run “with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base” — although videos of her arrival show her waltzing serenely across the tarmac, waving to the crowd.

She blamed the 2012 attack on American diplomatic and intelligence-gathering installations in Benghazi on “a disgusting video” when she knew almost from the first moment that it was a jihadist assault that took the lives of four Americans, including the ambassador to Libya.


No wonder the late William Safire, writing in The New York Times in 1996, at the height of the Whitewater investigation, called her a “congenital liar.” Said Safire: “She is in the longtime habit of lying; and she has never been called to account for lying herself or in suborning lying in her aides and friends.”


Reuters
Baron Munchausen has nothing on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Now comes the recycling this month of another Clinton tall tale: that shortly before her 1975 marriage to Bill Clinton, she decided in a fit of patriotic fervor and dedication to “public service” to stroll into a recruiter’s office in Arkansas and join the Marine Corps.

It’s an anecdote she trots out to charm military audiences, whether it’s a group on Capitol Hill in 1994, or, most recently, to veterans in Derry, NH.


“He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you,’ ” Clinton recalled at the New Hampshire event on Nov. 10. “I said, ‘Well, I’m 26. I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army,” she added.

Yeah, right. Never mind that the term is “dogface,” used to refer to the Army infantry. And never mind as well that, given the tenor of the times, the Marines or any other service would have taken young Ms. Rodham in a heartbeat, especially given their need for lawyers.

Like so many carefully parsed Clintonian statements, Hillary’s Leatherneck fantasy is either unverifiable or dependent upon how it’s phrased. When confronted with the obvious discrepancy in her “Edmund Hillary” story, she characteristically shifted the blame to her mother, Dorothy, saying the fable was something her mother told her.



Reuters
But let’s assume for a moment that, unlike Clinton’s other whoppers, this story is actually, in some sense, true.

What are the odds that, in the immediate aftermath of Vietnam, the anti-war Wellesley graduate, who’d written her college senior thesis on “community organizer” Saul Alinsky, had a snazzy Yale Law degree, and who was already envisioning a career in state and national politics alongside Bill (then a candidate for Arkansas attorney general), would do such a thing — and actually mean it?

I’m betting zero.

A far more likely explanation is that Hillary entered the Marine recruiting office — if she did — not out of any desire to “serve her country,” but as an agent provocateur, determined to show that the Marines were a bunch of bigoted sexist, ageist pigs in order to fuel her sense of outrage.


This explanation is given credence by one of Hillary’s Fayetteville, Ark., friends at the time, Ann Henry, who said that Hillary was interested in probing the way the military treated women candidates. “I can remember discussing it, but I cannot give you the details of when and what was said,” Henry told a reporter. “Hillary would go and do things just to test it out, and I can totally see her doing that just to see what the reaction was.”

Given the mood of the time, and the vituperative nastiness of the left regarding all things military, it would have been just like the self-aggrandizing Hillary Rodham to try and manufacture a controversy where there was none, to make herself look good

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Apr 16, 2018 18:09:21   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
Hahah ~LMAO, You are correct that is an easy club membership, and yet YOU are one of those that is willing to lower the bar to accept such a person who is so devoid of morals, as in being honest, truthful, to sit in the seat of the President of the United States, all the while yelling from the torrid what a liar Hillary is, even she is not a psychopathological liar.

I imagine this must not fit well with any foreign leader who sits in a position to speak to him and endeavors to form any kind of fiduciary mutual agreement. That, in reality, has to be laughable and impossible.

I am thankful I don't have the same opinion of all men as you. Yes, I believe NOT all men view women as a piece of meat and they have respect for them. Again you do align yourself with Trump and I understand why you and other men voted for him. Really any women that voted for him would have to have their head examined, it would equate to a Jew voting for Hitler, but that's JMO.
Hahah ~LMAO, You are correct that is an easy club ... (show quote)


I voted for Trump because he's honest and truthful. We know that there is no ulterior motive. The man speaks his mind, and I don't care whether or not he's exaggerated the number of people who went to his inauguration or the number of illegal immigrants who murder, steal, rape, and live off my nickel. One is too many.
Trump is the result of obama, the biggest hoax in history. Trump proved Lincoln right. You can't fool all the people all the time.
It's refreshing to hear the blunt truth from a president. Ask Kid Kim, or Xi the China Guy, or Pal Putin. They are falling into line because they know Trump ain't bullmueller. Trump says he'll nuke Kid Kim, and Kid Kim muellers in his pants.
Obama kissed ass, Trump kicks it.
I like it.
Move to a better country, you know many of them. You'll fit right in. Go where you respect the high moral cultures of other countries. Leave us cretins here. We'll both be happy.

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Apr 16, 2018 18:29:20   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I voted for Trump because he's honest and truthful. We know that there is no ulterior motive. The man speaks his mind, and I don't care whether or not he's exaggerated the number of people who went to his inauguration or the number of illegal immigrants who murder, steal, rape, and live off my nickel. One is too many.
Trump is the result of obama, the biggest hoax in history. Trump proved Lincoln right. You can't fool all the people all the time.
It's refreshing to hear the blunt truth from a president. Ask Kid Kim, or Xi the China Guy, or Pal Putin. They are falling into line because they know Trump ain't bullmueller. Trump says he'll nuke Kid Kim, and Kid Kim muellers in his pants.
Obama kissed ass, Trump kicks it.
I like it.
Move to a better country, you know many of them. You'll fit right in. Go where you respect the high moral cultures of other countries. Leave us cretins here. We'll both be happy.
I voted for Trump because he's honest and truthful... (show quote)




I voted for Trump too, and was happy to hear he became a Christian near the end of the campaign trail.
He has lied and I'm not happy about that. One thing I think most people miss is he is a flawed human, just like them that scream the loudest from their pedestal.
Another point, in certainly glad that what defines me today, is who I am and not who I was.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" does apply to all.
I'm proud of the dozens of Trumps accomplishments in light of the greatest opposition from the left any president in history has endured.

Just think if you were a billionaire in your twilight years (maybe a decade left +/- on this earth) and instead of being on a beautiful resort, being served 24/7, enjoying life in a near perfect climate, playing and having fun. Instead you take a path that keeps you working 16-18 hours a day, under unimaginable stress, for no pay
Trump is neither conservative nor Democrat, he is pragmatic. Meaning he is driven by what needs to be done regardless of which party supports for or against.
I don't approve or Condon his past unacceptable faults, based on that standard, I don't approve or Condon my past unacceptable faults.
Most leftist are incapable of wrapping their minds around this, blinded only by vitriol hate the media has conditioned them to have.

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Apr 16, 2018 18:59:30   #
Mikeyavelli
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I voted for Trump too, and was happy to hear he became a Christian near the end of the campaign trail.
He has lied and I'm not happy about that. One thing I think most people miss is he is a flawed human, just like them that scream the loudest from their pedestal.
Another point, in certainly glad that what defines me today, is who I am and not who I was.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" does apply to all.
I'm proud of the dozens of Trumps accomplishments in light of the greatest opposition from the left any president in history has endured.

Just think if you were a billionaire in your twilight years (maybe a decade left +/- on this earth) and instead of being on a beautiful resort, being served 24/7, enjoying life in a near perfect climate, playing and having fun. Instead you take a path that keeps you working 16-18 hours a day, under unimaginable stress, for no pay
Trump is neither conservative nor Democrat, he is pragmatic. Meaning he is driven by what needs to be done regardless of which party supports for or against.
I don't approve or Condon his past unacceptable faults, based on that standard, I don't approve or Condon my past unacceptable faults.
Most leftist are incapable of wrapping their minds around this, blinded only by vitriol hate the media has conditioned them to have.
I voted for Trump too, and was happy to hear he be... (show quote)



Looking back on a risky life, I don't regret one thing that I have done. I don't admonish one thing that Trump has done. I lived in Manhattan for 30 years. I know that sense of humor. Trump has it. He's honest with his own feelings and thoughts, and that is rare in anyone, let alone a president; of any country.
I don't understand the importance of a feigned high moral character.
Look at obama, please.
The sunnuvabitch walked in on a lie. A total fabrication of a man, all made up and fraudulently documented.
There's the lies, not with Trump.

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Apr 16, 2018 19:29:50   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Looking back on a risky life, I don't regret one thing that I have done. I don't admonish one thing that Trump has done. I lived in Manhattan for 30 years. I know that sense of humor. Trump has it. He's honest with his own feelings and thoughts, and that is rare in anyone, let alone a president; of any country.
I don't understand the importance of a feigned high moral character.
Look at obama, please.
The sunnuvabitch walked in on a lie. A total fabrication of a man, all made up and fraudulently documented.
There's the lies, not with Trump.
Looking back on a risky life, I don't regret one ... (show quote)



I'm in agreement Trump is a good man anyone can search and find the multitude of people he has financially helped, donated, and yes a great sense of humor.
Unlike you I do have a few regrets, or maybe not so much regrets as things I'm not so proud of. Things that never hurt others, just myself and that represents majority of the human race, but guess the left believes they walk on water and unable to critique his actions as president, so have to go back decades in a desperate effort to discredit him

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Apr 16, 2018 22:31:41   #
Mikeyavelli
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I'm in agreement Trump is a good man anyone can search and find the multitude of people he has financially helped, donated, and yes a great sense of humor.
Unlike you I do have a few regrets, or maybe not so much regrets as things I'm not so proud of. Things that never hurt others, just myself and that represents majority of the human race, but guess the left believes they walk on water and unable to critique his actions as president, so have to go back decades in a desperate effort to discredit him
I'm in agreement Trump is a good man anyone can s... (show quote)



If Trump found a cure for cancer, the headline would read :
Trump puts doctors out of work!

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Apr 16, 2018 22:42:06   #
maryjane
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
We may be closer than expected to a complete collapse, be it from economic, an EMP attack or other known threats possible and plausible.

I hired a mentally retarded woman during a brief time as a restaurantiur.
Her sole responsibility was to set up a small salad bar. A state trainer worked with her, teaching her the steps. At that time in history (1990) my responsibility for her pay was about a third of minimum wage with the state paying the remaining as incentives to businesses.
A few months into the program I terminated due to sanitation concerns, but during that time the employees responded in a positive patient manner.
I believe we have a very different mental process in our society today. In part I was raised with strong work ethic. Yes sir, yes mam, dress for success when interviewing, look them in the eye, firm hand shake and promise to be their best and hardest worker, ask for the job, ect.
Today's workers want the microwave advancement to upper management, are narcissistic and if pushed to work harder complain to HR. They don't understand the concept of starting at an entry level and with hard work, working their way up the ladder. Employers are frustrated in finding potential new hires with the work ethic we had and were taught. (what happened to opening doors for ladies, the elderly, or consideration of the person coming in behind you) Employers will pass over someone slower mentally, they already are frustrated with better than half of this newer generation that are working for them, why knowing add to the problem. Another reason is lack of compassion of this generation that are managers making the hiring decisions.
Our society no longer has generation gaps, it has a complete culture shift never to return to the values as long as we have a "I deserve it", "YOU owe me", "I'm entitled" generation teaching the next, seeking the utopia promised by leftist /progressive leaders once conservatism, Christianity or anyone that disagrees with their political policies and agendas are removed from society.
Wanting to work doesn't get the job like it used to, then another challenge is job hunters (for most jobs) don't have a door to knock on. Instead one must apply online and be called for an interview, providing the online application and resume pass through the computerized filtering that rejects (Micosoft to Taco Bell) over 90% of applications not containing key words
We may be closer than expected to a complete colla... (show quote)


Oh, I agree completely. I never thought that someday I would be one of those old people always complaining about how much better the old days were, but here I am! I cannot speak to anything except the time I have lived, but it is a fact that more people were better people than today. Our country is so different, in all ways, today than it was even when I was raising a family much less when I was growing up. I recently read something along these lines that I'll try to post another time.

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Apr 16, 2018 23:06:26   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
While an entire book could be written on the differences between leftists and conservatives, I've been looking for fundamental ones, those that lead to all the others. I think I've found one:

When a conservative sees a non-disabled 'needy' person they think, "I'm able to support myself and my family, that person should too. If I can do it, anybody can."

When a leftist sees a non-disabled 'needy' person they think, "The only reason I'm not in that poor person's position is because I'm so superior to most other people."
While an entire book could be written on the diffe... (show quote)



Earlier, I had a detailed shot at this comparison between conservatives and leftists:
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-115587-1.html
My position has not changed, of course, but the current question seeks a few very fundamental differences, rather than a large collection of them. This gave me some pause, since the issues involved are quite desperate and cry for a matrix of the kind I published. Others in the postings above have had their say, so I am taking my turn at two of the fundamentals as I see them:

1. First and foremost, I see Conservatives as defenders of the Constitution and the intents of the Declaration of Independence as plainly read, with no "penumbras" to account for. We believe in the rule of law, and the Constitution is the Law of the Land.

Conversely, I see Leftists as having emotional, self-serving, atheistic and erotic ideas of how our society should be conducted, and the effrontery to believe they have superiority of thought and ability to act both inside and outside the law to effect drastic social changes in the laws that have proven to be either impossible to achieve, or terribly disorganizing and loathsome to the general public. Down with the Constitution! Down with the customs, traditions, and institutions that have made our country great.

Utopias are simply not viable, as has been shown over and over in history, and in particular, require a long phase of forced education and serious deprivation of the populace, or simply direct elimination of the reluctant parties.

2. Conservatives believe in freedom and liberty of the individual, minimally constrained by the need for governance, and they believe that the larger the government, the more intrusive it becomes in everyday life, hence less freedom and liberty the people can enjoy.

Leftists, on the other hand, believe in government as the solution to the majority of problems, hence a government under their direction grows in size and in the number of everyday situations controlled to invade virtually every aspect of the life of citizens, placing a yoke on their necks that is difficult to shed. In this case everyone is equally miserable and highly constrained. The Leftist Elites shall govern, the military shall serve the Elites, and then there is the rest of us peasants that do what little they can to survive. No thank you!

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Apr 17, 2018 15:17:47   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Manning345 wrote:
Earlier, I had a detailed shot at this comparison between conservatives and leftists:
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-115587-1.html
My position has not changed, of course, but the current question seeks a few very fundamental differences, rather than a large collection of them. This gave me some pause, since the issues involved are quite desperate and cry for a matrix of the kind I published. Others in the postings above have had their say, so I am taking my turn at two of the fundamentals as I see them:

1. First and foremost, I see Conservatives as defenders of the Constitution and the intents of the Declaration of Independence as plainly read, with no "penumbras" to account for. We believe in the rule of law, and the Constitution is the Law of the Land.

Conversely, I see Leftists as having emotional, self-serving, atheistic and erotic ideas of how our society should be conducted, and the effrontery to believe they have superiority of thought and ability to act both inside and outside the law to effect drastic social changes in the laws that have proven to be either impossible to achieve, or terribly disorganizing and loathsome to the general public. Down with the Constitution! Down with the customs, traditions, and institutions that have made our country great.

Utopias are simply not viable, as has been shown over and over in history, and in particular, require a long phase of forced education and serious deprivation of the populace, or simply direct elimination of the reluctant parties.

2. Conservatives believe in freedom and liberty of the individual, minimally constrained by the need for governance, and they believe that the larger the government, the more intrusive it becomes in everyday life, hence less freedom and liberty the people can enjoy.

Leftists, on the other hand, believe in government as the solution to the majority of problems, hence a government under their direction grows in size and in the number of everyday situations controlled to invade virtually every aspect of the life of citizens, placing a yoke on their necks that is difficult to shed. In this case everyone is equally miserable and highly constrained. The Leftist Elites shall govern, the military shall serve the Elites, and then there is the rest of us peasants that do what little they can to survive. No thank you!
Earlier, I had a detailed shot at this comparison ... (show quote)


First, thanks for getting this thread back on topic.

I think you're correct in that the conservative belief in individual freedom and liberty, indeed individuality itself, is a fundamental principal among conservatives.

However, I believe what you wrote about leftists, while all true, is simply a derivative of their fundamental (silly) belief in their own superiority. They believe themselves to be like royalty, chosen by Gaia to lead the peasants to righteousness.

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Apr 18, 2018 00:03:39   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
First, thanks for getting this thread back on topic.

I think you're correct in that the conservative belief in individual freedom and liberty, indeed individuality itself, is a fundamental principal among conservatives.

However, I believe what you wrote about leftists, while all true, is simply a derivative of their fundamental (silly) belief in their own superiority. They believe themselves to be like royalty, chosen by Gaia to lead the peasants to righteousness.


Certainly belief in their superiority can lead to many of the tenants of Leftist ideology, but then on the Conservative side, we have many that profess the very same kind of belief in the superiority of the tenants of our ideology too.
Perhaps there is yet another fundamental factor that guides the Left in their direction.

I am tempted to accuse them of over-righteousness in their flakey belief system or systems, despite, or even because of their ignoring Christianity or religion in general, and in addition to their intimations of superiority. Righteousness breeds the idea of superiority; so both ideas are on track, I believe. Typically, the Leftists I have encountered exhibit the verbal verbosity that Sowell accuses them of, which speaks to two other factors: intelligence, and insecurity in their beliefs, which would demand righteousness to cover up their insecurity. Their total belief system, their worldview, is quite a bit more complicated than merely over-righteous superiority as you can see from the following:



The Liberal Manifesto
Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--psychiatrist L. H. Rossiter, Jr, MD
www.libertymind.com, (a synopsis and sales pitch for the book)

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or inequality, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social equality. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. Equality before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.

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Apr 18, 2018 07:56:53   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Manning345 wrote:
Certainly belief in their superiority can lead to many of the tenants of Leftist ideology, but then on the Conservative side, we have many that profess the very same kind of belief in the superiority of the tenants of our ideology too.
Perhaps there is yet another fundamental factor that guides the Left in their direction.

I am tempted to accuse them of over-righteousness in their flakey belief system or systems, despite, or even because of their ignoring Christianity or religion in general, and in addition to their intimations of superiority. Righteousness breeds the idea of superiority; so both ideas are on track, I believe. Typically, the Leftists I have encountered exhibit the verbal verbosity that Sowell accuses them of, which speaks to two other factors: intelligence, and insecurity in their beliefs, which would demand righteousness to cover up their insecurity. Their total belief system, their worldview, is quite a bit more complicated than merely over-righteous superiority as you can see from the following:



The Liberal Manifesto
Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--psychiatrist L. H. Rossiter, Jr, MD
www.libertymind.com, (a synopsis and sales pitch for the book)

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or inequality, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social equality. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. Equality before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.
Certainly belief in their superiority can lead to ... (show quote)

Hmm, sounds like a lazy bunch of dope dealing gay people. Almost like obama, except he had religion.

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Apr 19, 2018 01:23:39   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Hmm, sounds like a lazy bunch of dope dealing gay people. Almost like obama, except he had religion.


Religion? What Rev. Wright was dishing out? Hatred of America.

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Apr 19, 2018 08:34:11   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Manning345 wrote:
Religion? What Rev. Wright was dishing out? Hatred of America.


Not Black Theology, obama had Islam.

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Apr 19, 2018 09:14:48   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I voted for Trump because he's honest and truthful. We know that there is no ulterior motive. The man speaks his mind, and I don't care whether or not he's exaggerated the number of people who went to his inauguration or the number of illegal immigrants who murder, steal, rape, and live off my nickel. One is too many.
Trump is the result of obama, the biggest hoax in history. Trump proved Lincoln right. You can't fool all the people all the time.
It's refreshing to hear the blunt truth from a president. Ask Kid Kim, or Xi the China Guy, or Pal Putin. They are falling into line because they know Trump ain't bullmueller. Trump says he'll nuke Kid Kim, and Kid Kim muellers in his pants.
Obama kissed ass, Trump kicks it.
I like it.
Move to a better country, you know many of them. You'll fit right in. Go where you respect the high moral cultures of other countries. Leave us cretins here. We'll both be happy.
I voted for Trump because he's honest and truthful... (show quote)



There isn't much I can say to anyone who says Trump is Honest and truthful, when he's been proven to lie live on TV for all to hear, that's not only a liar, that's an idiot. For you to say what you just did makes me wonder about your mental capacity?

Trump kicks ass? He's a paper Tiger, ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf, that is your Trumpet right there. Trump doesn't kick ass, he is an ass and a humiliation to this country. He has no morals and people who align themselves with him are of the same lacking moral caliber.

Yes, he speaks his mind and I've along with millions have listened to his incoherent ramblings to the point where everyone stares bewildered saying to themselves...WTF?

No ulterior motive, you kidding right?

We're presently living the biggest hoax in history.

You move to another country, people as yourself is the very reason we have this subversive traitor sitting in the Whitehouse. You think he's cleaning the swamp...he is the swamp, the King toad.

With that said he may be the very tool to make some needed changes to happen, but probably not the way you're thinking.

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