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Take The Bias Out Of The Facts, Forget Who Is Affected By Russia Facts Surfacing, It's About Our Country
Apr 4, 2018 19:01:15   #
woodguru
 
You simply are not a patriot, you can't consider yourself one if you can't be willing to get to the bottom of any story about something Russia has done to affect our country or it's elections. I'm pretty sure that people on the right can take in facts about Russia's involvement in other countries, you can understand what countries Russia has attacked, the games Putin plays. You figure out what the facts are before you decide to continue to support a very questionable president.

You know what makes Russian government different than the US? And it's not that they have a strong leader, they have a dictator. Putin is the government, nothing gets done that doesn't come from Putin, there is no senate or house that operates independently. Putin is in control.

We are being barraged by news on what's up with the Russia investigation. Take the bias out of your instant take on what the news says. This is all easy to understand and believe things. Manafort, it is what it is, he did what he's being charged with, if Manafort were attached to Obama you'd want them tried for treason. Flynn, he was fired from his position as NSA chief, for cause I'll add. Who hires someone's rejects? Flynn started a consulting firm that was heavily involved with countries that are not our allies, those countries that stand against democracy, dictatorships. He had in depth national security secrets and information to trade with these countries for a lot of money. He had heavy involvements with Russia, had Obama hired Flynn and had what Flynn did happen, he's have been in the same treason frying pan as the right would have had Flynn in.

The right is looking at the facts as they are and wouldn't be disputed if they were not looked at differently because they affect the person that a party has decided to protect.

We don't know but a fraction of the facts, but what we do know in regard to who has been charged with what and pleaded guilty is that the United States has been under quita an assault by Russia. It isn't slowing down or stopping because of Trump's "friendship" with Trump, and people shouldn't be the last ones to know Russia is still the enemy, let that be Trump because he has financial interests.

Here's another way to put it, the right has decided to go all out in support of Trump, at this point they will not put curiosity about Russia hacks before their blind support. The left wants to know what the facts here are, the left thinks the agencies in charge of cyber security should be doing the jobs that were started on Obama's watch and abandoned when Trump took over. Cyber warfare is bad, it can cripple and destroy the country. It is no joke, and it is disturbing to have a president walk into protecting our country and refusing to believe what intelligence services have to say about what they know. Trump does not know anything better than the people who have vast intelligence resources.

If Obama had taken highly classified intelligence from one of our allies and gone straight to the Kremlin with it he'd have been impeached and tried for treason. Leaked information is easy to trace back to sources, and that gets valuable spies killed in Russia, in case anyone missed it Putin does not mess around when it comes to killing those who displease and betray him.

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Apr 4, 2018 21:47:36   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
You simply are not a patriot, you can't consider yourself one if you can't be willing to get to the bottom of any story about something Russia has done to affect our country or it's elections. I'm pretty sure that people on the right can take in facts about Russia's involvement in other countries, you can understand what countries Russia has attacked, the games Putin plays. You figure out what the facts are before you decide to continue to support a very questionable president.

You know what makes Russian government different than the US? And it's not that they have a strong leader, they have a dictator. Putin is the government, nothing gets done that doesn't come from Putin, there is no senate or house that operates independently. Putin is in control.

We are being barraged by news on what's up with the Russia investigation. Take the bias out of your instant take on what the news says. This is all easy to understand and believe things. Manafort, it is what it is, he did what he's being charged with, if Manafort were attached to Obama you'd want them tried for treason. Flynn, he was fired from his position as NSA chief, for cause I'll add. Who hires someone's rejects? Flynn started a consulting firm that was heavily involved with countries that are not our allies, those countries that stand against democracy, dictatorships. He had in depth national security secrets and information to trade with these countries for a lot of money. He had heavy involvements with Russia, had Obama hired Flynn and had what Flynn did happen, he's have been in the same treason frying pan as the right would have had Flynn in.

The right is looking at the facts as they are and wouldn't be disputed if they were not looked at differently because they affect the person that a party has decided to protect.

We don't know but a fraction of the facts, but what we do know in regard to who has been charged with what and pleaded guilty is that the United States has been under quita an assault by Russia. It isn't slowing down or stopping because of Trump's "friendship" with Trump, and people shouldn't be the last ones to know Russia is still the enemy, let that be Trump because he has financial interests.

Here's another way to put it, the right has decided to go all out in support of Trump, at this point they will not put curiosity about Russia hacks before their blind support. The left wants to know what the facts here are, the left thinks the agencies in charge of cyber security should be doing the jobs that were started on Obama's watch and abandoned when Trump took over. Cyber warfare is bad, it can cripple and destroy the country. It is no joke, and it is disturbing to have a president walk into protecting our country and refusing to believe what intelligence services have to say about what they know. Trump does not know anything better than the people who have vast intelligence resources.

If Obama had taken highly classified intelligence from one of our allies and gone straight to the Kremlin with it he'd have been impeached and tried for treason. Leaked information is easy to trace back to sources, and that gets valuable spies killed in Russia, in case anyone missed it Putin does not mess around when it comes to killing those who displease and betray him.
You simply are not a patriot, you can't consider y... (show quote)



As far a being a patriot,I don't think you are qualified to pass judgement on anyone.

We on the right are well aware of what Russia did and didn't do.The problem with your thesis is your assumption that Trump
was involved was involved when all proof of that crime points to the D N C and Hillery in particular.The intelligence committee
pointed a finger at the D N C,the F B I and Hillery.As far as we know Muller has ignored the evidence and neither of his
attorneys have either.But i doubt they would since they were all Hillery supporters .So have to ask do you ever look at what is really going on.

Your statement about Russia is correct.Do you realize that is exactly what your party is to become.

As far as Manfort ,You realize he only worked on the campaign about 2 months and what he is charged wit is 10 yrs old.How can you tie Trump to that?Flynn was fired by Trump for lying to the V P .No one ever accused him of trading ,selling or giving state secrets to Russia or anyone else.

If this country is under assult by the Russians it is because Obama was a wimp and Putin was able to push him around.As far as Trump having financial interest in Russia ,he was trying to get a hotel but the deal fell through.

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