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Mar 16, 2018 18:17:39   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Whaaaaaaat? I've must have missed that one Dave.
The leftist MSM tries not to expose the stupidly rediculous nature of the Dossier that was used to allow the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign.

That's why we call it Fake News

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Mar 16, 2018 18:30:24   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
You are ignoring the fact that Trump is ignoring the FBI report that Russia is attacking the US power grid, our water supply, airports and Nuclear Plants! Trump has not said a word!

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/03/16/its-official-fbi-says-russia-attacking-u-s-power-grid-water-supply-airports-and-nuclear-plants.html



drlarrygino wrote:
The leftists on this site still can't get over Trump being our great president. He kicked hillarious rotten clintons butt good and the lefties still rail about it. He's making the other leftist fool, ovommit, look like a grade schooler who was in over his head when he tried to run our country. It wouldn't matter what Trump said or did, these leftist fools would find something wrong with the air Trump was breathing. The real answer as to whether Trump helped Saccone will come out on election day. Until then, everything these lefties spew is all bs.
The leftists on this site still can't get over Tru... (show quote)



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Mar 16, 2018 21:33:02   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
You are ignoring the fact that Trump is ignoring the FBI report that Russia is attacking the US power grid, our water supply, airports and Nuclear Plants! Trump has not said a word!

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/03/16/its-official-fbi-says-russia-attacking-u-s-power-grid-water-supply-airports-and-nuclear-plants.html

You guys love people that talk and do nothing.

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Mar 17, 2018 07:54:49   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
You guys love people that talk and do nothing.


We talk and do nothing... that's the platform of the right. Just like after eight years they were completely unprepared with a new health plan, which went back to the old ways of the insurance companies in full control except worse. When fully in place the writing will be on the all for millions of Americans.

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Mar 17, 2018 08:02:07   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
The leftist MSM tries not to expose the stupidly rediculous nature of the Dossier that was used to allow the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign.

That's why we call it Fake News


Like I said Obama had every right to investigate, spy, pick your term. Trump has surpassed King Henry the eighth for heads on the chopping block, all to avoid being found out, that is crystal clear for the rest of us. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!and of with his head and her head.....Arrrgh, the mad hatter reigns.

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Mar 17, 2018 10:26:14   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
We talk and do nothing... that's the platform of the right. Just like after eight years they were completely unprepared with a new health plan, which went back to the old ways of the insurance companies in full control except worse. When fully in place the writing will be on the all for millions of Americans.
I didn't say the GOP was wonderful. They're weasels, mostly.

You are correct that the GOP also did little to bring freedom and choice back to the healthcare system. At least at first.... But it took Obama and the Democrats years to destroy that freedom and choice, and we both know it's easier to blow something up than it is to rebuild it.

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Mar 17, 2018 19:02:35   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
I didn't say the GOP was wonderful. They're weasels, mostly.

You are correct that the GOP also did little to bring freedom and choice back to the healthcare system. At least at first.... But it took Obama and the Democrats years to destroy that freedom and choice, and we both know it's easier to blow something up than it is to rebuild it.


Come on Dave lets get real, what Obama destroyed were a bunch of fake policies put out by the insurance companies, where people were paying for nothing. How bad were things? At the time the government including the president were caught completely unaware, it was unforeseen how many until there was a standard to be met, and all those fraudulent policies surfaced when they failed.

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Mar 17, 2018 19:28:29   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
Not my conjecture, her writings. She was there, I wasn't. A twenty two year old is hardly a seasoned politician, which is why she had an intern's post. Unfortunately it seems that people who occupy these positions of power all run to the same disorders; they all poach the defenseless women they come in contact with. We sneer at the mentality which medieval lords possessed which said their peasants were property and they had the Droit du Seigneur which was the alleged medieval custom whereby the feudal lord had the right to have sex with the bride of his vassal on their wedding night before she went to her husband.

Politicians believe in Droit du Seignur, in sex with unwilling woman, with non conformance with laws, in providing themselves with perks and benefits at public expense and they give every indication that they are a ruling class. I would like to see a law that says eligibility for public office is forbidden to any relative within three degrees of consanguinity for a period of fifteen years from the time another relative leaves office. No more dynasties, we have plenty of people in this country and we will never run short of politicians.
Not my conjecture, her writings. She was there, I... (show quote)


A twenty-two-year-old is not a seasoned politician, but if asked in court if she knows the difference between moral and immoral she would know, a 22-year-old is a full-fledged adult. an adult not to be underestimated. She may have been paid well, who knows for sure, only her and her handler. You can't be working in politics and be that naive.

I agree with you in that any person who wheels his authority to position anyone in a compromising position to go against their own moral convictions out of fear of reprisal, should be hung out to dry big time, that is inexcusable behavior, I don't care what party they are aligned with.

There are many sexually deviant behaviors fro the past, things were more acceptable and women were one small step above a slave in many cultures, but we've come a long way baby, brawn no longer wins over. Equality is long past due.

I also agree with you concerning relatives and what Trump has done has been frowned upon but not illegal, but as seen as unethical or inappropriate. This is where we continue to see the envelope being pushed, where no laws are in place to protect us from these unethical conditions.

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Mar 18, 2018 00:26:32   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Come on Dave lets get real, what Obama destroyed were a bunch of fake policies put out by the insurance companies, where people were paying for nothing. How bad were things? At the time the government including the president were caught completely unaware, it was unforeseen how many until there was a standard to be met, and all those fraudulent policies surfaced when they failed.
Who said they were fake? Was your previous plan fake? Mine wasn't.

You're reciting talking points.

Millions of Americans like me now pay more money and get less coverage.

Besides, who are you or anyone else to tell me what coverage I must have?

Funny how people that don't want government in their bedrooms suddenly want them deciding what insurance they must buy.

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Mar 18, 2018 10:58:31   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Who said they were fake? Was your previous plan fake? Mine wasn't.

You're reciting talking points.

Millions of Americans like me now pay more money and get less coverage.

Besides, who are you or anyone else to tell me what coverage I must have?

Funny how people that don't want government in their bedrooms suddenly want them deciding what insurance they must buy.



Don't tell me what I'm reciting Dave, some Insurance Companies are the most deceiving fkrs on the planet. My husband and I, not being on the socialistic system of the government or military and having our own business for thirty years, have gone through a number of insurance companies over the years. Yes, some of them are basically good for absolutely nothing except to take your money. Once you put in a claim you quickly find learn all their reasons not to pay, even with better policies. It is fraudulent but hard to prove.

Obama FINALLY put an end to that! No One including myself is or was telling you what policy to have/buy, that is completely your choice and what you can afford. That's complete BS...and if anyone wants government in their bedrooms it is the right, as in moral issues that concern you and no one else.

From your last statement, I'm now doubtful you really know how this works. No one decides your insurance but you, you may be in one of the states that don't/didn't offer many Insurance companies to choose from, we were in very much the same boat, which was another thing Obama had tried to get going but was blocked by Red states in their effort to sabotage any success of the ACA.

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Mar 18, 2018 11:11:39   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Don't tell me what I'm reciting Dave, some Insurance Companies are the most deceiving fkrs on the planet. My husband and I, not being on the socialistic system of the government or military and having our own business for thirty years, have gone through a number of insurance companies over the years. Yes, some of them are basically good for absolutely nothing except to take your money. Once you put in a claim you quickly find learn all their reasons not to pay, even with better policies. It is fraudulent but hard to prove.

Obama FINALLY put an end to that! No One including myself is or was telling you what policy to have/buy, that is completely your choice and what you can afford. That's complete BS...and if anyone wants government in their bedrooms it is the right, as in moral issues that concern you and no one else.

From your last statement, I'm now doubtful you really know how this works. No one decides your insurance but you, you may be in one of the states that don't/didn't offer many Insurance companies to choose from, we were in very much the same boat, which was another thing Obama had tried to get going but was blocked by Red states in their effort to sabotage any success of the ACA.
Don't tell me what I'm reciting Dave, some Insuran... (show quote)
Obamacare forced millions of Americans to pay more and get less coverage.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to change doctors.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to lose their insurance plans.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to buy coverage they didn't need, couldn't use, and didn't want.

Obamacare imposed new taxes on millions of poor Americans because they did not purchace crappy plans that they never wanted and could not afford.

I don't care if you purchase Obamacare, it's none of my business or anyone else's. The insurance plan I select or don't select is nobody else's business either.

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Mar 18, 2018 15:23:55   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Obamacare forced millions of Americans to pay more and get less coverage.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to change doctors.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to lose their insurance plans.

Obamacare forced millions of Americans to buy coverage they didn't need, couldn't use, and didn't want.

Obamacare imposed new taxes on millions of poor Americans because they did not purchace crappy plans that they never wanted and could not afford.

I don't care if you purchase Obamacare, it's none of my business or anyone else's. The insurance plan I select or don't select is nobody else's business either.
Obamacare forced millions of Americans to pay more... (show quote)


No... Obama care created a standard for insurance companies to adhere to. If a company wasn't up to standards which they had to provide, they didn't make the cut, they couldn't sell insurance. You've heard of "the bullshit stops here" right. Well, that's where it had stopped.The shitty plan that person had was what made them lose their doctor.

Obama care NEVER made anyone pay for what they didn't need. The insurances went by package plans, just like your cable tv, that's great isn't it, welcome to America. Not Obamacare's fault. Though the right wants you to believe that, the right work with the insurance companies and not for the citizens. When the right was busy making their healthcare plan, the people working on it were being paid big time by insurance lobbyists. I had the numbers a while ago, not handy now, but you can find it.

I agree it is only your business...?

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Mar 18, 2018 15:33:28   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
No... Obama care created a standard for insurance companies to adhere to. If a company wasn't up to standards which they had to provide, they didn't make the cut, they couldn't sell insurance. You've heard of "the bullshit stops here" right. Well, that's where it had stopped.The shitty plan that person had was what made them lose their doctor.

Obama care NEVER made anyone pay for what they didn't need. The insurances went by package plans, just like your cable tv, that's great isn't it, welcome to America. Not Obamacare's fault. Though the right wants you to believe that, the right work with the insurance companies and not for the citizens. When the right was busy making their healthcare plan, the people working on it were being paid big time by insurance lobbyists. I had the numbers a while ago, not handy now, but you can find it.
No... Obama care created a standard for insurance ... (show quote)
Obamacare by law required I pay for specified coverage whether I needed it or not. That's what the word "MANDATE" means.

That's the whole point of Obamacare. If it were okay to buy what I wanted and needed there would be no reason to have a mandate would there?

I'm not telling you what the right wants you to hear. I'm telling you what people say that have been affected by Obamacare.

Have you spoken to people that have lost their health insurance policies?
Have you spoken to people that have lost their doctor's?
Have you spoken to people whose rates have gone up thousands of dollars a year and are getting less coverage?

This is what has happened to millions of Americans.

Do you care?

If not perhaps you need to start listening to what real people say instead of what the left tells you to believe.

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Mar 18, 2018 16:24:08   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
No... Obama care created a standard for insurance companies to adhere to. If a company wasn't up to standards which they had to provide, they didn't make the cut, they couldn't sell insurance. You've heard of "the bullshit stops here" right. Well, that's where it had stopped.The shitty plan that person had was what made them lose their doctor.

Obama care NEVER made anyone pay for what they didn't need. The insurances went by package plans, just like your cable tv, that's great isn't it, welcome to America. Not Obamacare's fault. Though the right wants you to believe that, the right work with the insurance companies and not for the citizens. When the right was busy making their healthcare plan, the people working on it were being paid big time by insurance lobbyists. I had the numbers a while ago, not handy now, but you can find it.

I agree it is only your business...?
No... Obama care created a standard for insurance ... (show quote)


Why is that health insurance plans which were providing excellent affordable coverage for their client base suddenly no longer met standards? My sons insurance premiums more tha doubled in the course of two months and then his plan was withdrawn and no longer offered. There was no plan which mwet standards which gave him the same coverage and his out of pocket costs made the idea of buying insurance ludicrous. It was cheaper to pay the penalty tax and full price for medical service.. It accomplished Obama's objectives, income redistribution, take the from better off workers and give to those who do not work at all.

What are these standards that killed so many insurance plans and who can honestly say hat what they have now is cheaper and better? Other than freeloaders who get their health care without charge.

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Mar 20, 2018 18:06:42   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Obamacare by law required I pay for specified coverage whether I needed it or not. That's what the word "MANDATE" means.
Super Dave wrote:
No he said you had to have coverage, you looked at plans available to you by different companies and select to what you could afford.

That's the whole point of Obamacare. If it were okay to buy what I wanted and needed there would be no reason to have a mandate would there?

Super Dave wrote:
The mandate Dave was to have everyone enrol and be covered, one to bring insurance costs down and two, stop over expenditures in emergency room care being paid by the government.

I'm not telling you what the right wants you to hear. I'm telling you what people say that have been affected by Obamacare.

Have you spoken to people that have lost their health insurance policies?
Have you spoken to people that have lost their doctor's?
Have you spoken to people whose rates have gone up thousands of dollars a year and are getting less coverage?

This is what has happened to millions of Americans.

Do you care?
Super Dave wrote:
Have you spoken to the people who were unable to get any coverage due to pre-existing conditions as myself, who could not get coverage.

Or people that lost their cancer coverage during treatment, because of caps, which meant death.

How about the insurance companies would raise your premiums, and you had no choice but to bow out of coverage.

How about the people who went into debt or lost everything trying to pay for their medical care, while the insurance companies made great profits, along with pharmaceuticals and hospitals.

Do YOU care?
If not perhaps you need to start listening to what real people say instead of what the left tells you to believe.
Obamacare by law required I pay for specified cove... (show quote)



The mandate Dave was to have everyone enrol and be covered, one to bring insurance costs down and two, stop over expenditures in emergency room care being paid by the government.

Have you spoken to the people who were unable to get any coverage due to pre-existing conditions as myself, who could not get coverage?

Or people that lost their cancer coverage during treatment, because of caps, which meant death.

How about the insurance companies would raise your premiums, and you had no choice but to bow out of coverage.

How about the people who went into debt or lost everything trying to pay for their medical care, while the insurance companies made great profits, along with pharmaceuticals and hospitals.
Do YOU care?
We are going to see this all happen again, as soon as the ACA is done, Good Job to the right once again. Perhaps you should at the self-interest of the people who put together this new abominable health plan, designed and constructed basically by the insurance companies. People are going to die because of it, including babies who are born with health conditions, where will the pro-lifers be then?

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