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Mar 12, 2018 17:32:18   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
Morgan wrote:
So you're OK with transgenders?

You didn't like what I said about what... being a citizen?


I believe in live and let live! You are not very interesting, so I'm not answering your bs anymore good bye!

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Mar 12, 2018 18:26:34   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Morgan wrote:
I've thought about that too. I've imagined the worse case scenario, one whereas you say we become isolated, I've actually thought that may not be the worst thing for a time. To become completely independent, to produce here again, and to keep our wage intact, and not try to compete with cheap foreign labor, which we cannot, this will only bring us into further into an expanding poverty class.

The sooner foreign countries bring their wages up closer to us the better things will be. It would also benefit these other countries to practice population control. Until that also happens china and other countries have an overabundance of labor.

How are you feeling about our midterm for NC coming up? Are you feeling positive at all?
I've thought about that too. I've imagined the wor... (show quote)


I'm glad that the US courts, including the SCOTUS in the Wisconsin case, are taking the blatant gerrymandering to task, but I'm afraid the NC General Assembly is going to run out the clock and NC Democrats will be under-represented again in the Congress. I am optimistic, however, that the General Assembly will be more balanced by the 2020 redistricting cycle and that NC democrats will be better represented thereafter. I'll be pleasantly surprised if the court ordered redrawing for 2018 brings us into better balance...just not going to hold my breath.

I take your other points well, about whether US isolation might not be so bad. The only caveat I would have is that as long as capital is able to cross borders at will, Americans will be competing with cheap foreign labor regardless. I'm always amazed that the free traders do not see the movement of labor in the same way as movement in capital. They want to restrict one without balancing the other. The American worker is screwed as long as capital is unrestricted in it's movement.

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Mar 12, 2018 20:09:58   #
Morgan
 
goofball wrote:
I believe in live and let live! You are not very interesting, so I'm not answering your bs anymore good bye!


...and the righty leaves with an insult right on cue, more adolescent behavior, very predictable.

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Mar 12, 2018 20:15:24   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Morgan wrote:
...and the righty leaves with an insult right on cue, more adolescent behavior, very predictable.


No more adolescent then you guys on the left..I can name few of you right of the hand

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Mar 12, 2018 21:16:05   #
goofball Loc: timbucktoo
 
Morgan wrote:
...and the righty leaves with an insult right on cue, more adolescent behavior, very predictable.


You are a real jerk! Plane and simple! You still couldn't keep your mouth shut and end it could you ? No not you, just like all the antifa assholes on the left! How's that for cursing idiot!

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Mar 12, 2018 22:25:37   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Morgan wrote:
Correct, it's not about him winning the election it's about the low chacter of the man who is representing "US". The rest of the world is still in amazement also and I'm sure wondering how he is still in office.


How would you suggest that you libs get him out of office? What kind of force can you of the left use to get rid of him? Do you believe that even winning enough seats in the next House election would allow you to impeach him?

Really I wish you would explain how that impeachment stuff works, since I must not know much about it.

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Mar 13, 2018 10:02:42   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
oldroy wrote:
How would you suggest that you libs get him out of office? What kind of force can you of the left use to get rid of him? Do you believe that even winning enough seats in the next House election would allow you to impeach him?

Really I wish you would explain how that impeachment stuff works, since I must not know much about it.


We will vote. It's the American way. I doubt the Senate would uphold an impeachment unless it is proven that the President broke some serious laws. Taking the House would be enough to upend a lot of political calculations. For example....

What if Mr. Trump starts to listen to his inner liberal again? I would enjoy seeing something of that nature.

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Mar 13, 2018 15:32:59   #
Morgan
 
working class stiff wrote:
I'm glad that the US courts, including the SCOTUS in the Wisconsin case, are taking the blatant gerrymandering to task, but I'm afraid the NC General Assembly is going to run out the clock and NC Democrats will be under-represented again in the Congress. I am optimistic, however, that the General Assembly will be more balanced by the 2020 redistricting cycle and that NC democrats will be better represented thereafter. I'll be pleasantly surprised if the court ordered redrawing for 2018 brings us into better balance...just not going to hold my breath.

I take your other points well, about whether US isolation might not be so bad. The only caveat I would have is that as long as capital is able to cross borders at will, Americans will be competing with cheap foreign labor regardless. I'm always amazed that the free traders do not see the movement of labor in the same way as movement in capital. They want to restrict one without balancing the other. The American worker is screwed as long as capital is unrestricted in it's movement.
I'm glad that the US courts, including the SCOTUS ... (show quote)


I've come to learn what is crucial and it is in Congress, that those representatives are working(or should be) for the people, and not the special interests, we need to get people in there, whether right, left or in the middle, better yet dissolve parties.
knowing why they are there and not to line their pockets.

Maybe now is the time for people to be hounding our congress to stop dragging their feet or they won't be re-elected.
They will try everything to keep their majority they worked so hard to get. If there is any value to the law they would not let this go on for the second time, and to allow this unconstitutional behavior to continue is unconscionable not to mention it would reward them by allowing them to keep the control and run over the citizens.

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Mar 13, 2018 15:40:48   #
Morgan
 
goofball wrote:
You are a real jerk! Plane and simple! You still couldn't keep your mouth shut and end it could you ? No not you, just like all the antifa assholes on the left! How's that for cursing idiot!


Take the responsibility of what you did, you could have ended it without the insult and I wouldn't have said a thing, but you didn't choose that, you chose to kick dirt in my face and run away, like a schoolyard kid, maybe you should learn to keep your mouth shut and then just walk away, sigh...but you guys never learn.

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Mar 13, 2018 15:49:08   #
Morgan
 
oldroy wrote:
How would you suggest that you libs get him out of office? What kind of force can you of the left use to get rid of him? Do you believe that even winning enough seats in the next House election would allow you to impeach him?

Really I wish you would explain how that impeachment stuff works, since I must not know much about it.


Goodness, another one bites the dust, now the secretary of state warns about Russia and what does Trump do...he doesn't take heed, no he turns his head away from Russia once again and fires the messenger.

Hoover must be doing jumping jacks in his grave, hey you want to stick with the President,go right ahead. The President, whose job is to protect the country, which he is severely failing to do, instead he's embrace's Russia, really makes the rest of us just think...WTF?

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Mar 13, 2018 17:15:43   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
Goodness, another one bites the dust, now the secretary of state warns about Russia and what does Trump do...he doesn't take heed, no he turns his head away from Russia once again and fires the messenger.

Hoover must be doing jumping jacks in his grave, hey you want to stick with the President,go right ahead. The President, whose job is to protect the country, which he is severely failing to do, instead he's embrace's Russia, really makes the rest of us just think...WTF?


An accusation against Russia for State sanctioned murder is not to be undertaken on an off the cuff reaction. Given their past history in using poisons to eliminate defectors I tend to suspect that Russia did this deed. However, there are issues of State to be considered by a public official, charged with being the point man for our foreign policy, to issue such a statement. His accusations were intemperate and immoderate given that he reacted to circumstances, not technical proof. This was the second such ill-considered outburst in less than two weeks. He hardly exhibited the traits of a diplomat.

Interestingly enough, the man whom everybody castigates as intemperate, rash and unfit to hold the nuclear codes was forced to remove this man for his incendiary outbursts. Yet It is Trump who is reviled as not having the game face needed for a president. Even this action, which is what any prudent man would do, is cause for criticism. No examination of Tillerson's justification, just calumny and accusations that Trump is concealing Russia's culpability.

Shooting the messenger sounds like a really good sound bite until you consider that Tillerson had as much proof that Russia did it as he did that Morgan poisoned those people. Exactly none, they still have not nailed down the exact poison used and they certainly haven't published any leads as to who administered the dose or how it was done.

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Mar 13, 2018 20:08:09   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
An accusation against Russia for State sanctioned murder is not to be undertaken on an off the cuff reaction. Given their past history in using poisons to eliminate defectors I tend to suspect that Russia did this deed. However, there are issues of State to be considered by a public official, charged with being the point man for our foreign policy, to issue such a statement. His accusations were intemperate and immoderate given that he reacted to circumstances, not technical proof. This was the second such ill-considered outburst in less than two weeks. He hardly exhibited the traits of a diplomat.

Interestingly enough, the man whom everybody castigates as intemperate, rash and unfit to hold the nuclear codes was forced to remove this man for his incendiary outbursts. Yet It is Trump who is reviled as not having the game face needed for a president. Even this action, which is what any prudent man would do, is cause for criticism. No examination of Tillerson's justification, just calumny and accusations that Trump is concealing Russia's culpability.

Shooting the messenger sounds like a really good sound bite until you consider that Tillerson had as much proof that Russia did it as he did that Morgan poisoned those people. Exactly none, they still have not nailed down the exact poison used and they certainly haven't published any leads as to who administered the dose or how it was done.
An accusation against Russia for State sanctioned ... (show quote)



I was referring to Tillerson warning us of more Russian manipulations in the upcoming election, and he had mentioned they were getting better at it and more difficult to detect. Which trump semed to have no concern for.

I'm sorry but I'm not very familiar with the poisoning issue. Are you speaking of Putin's aid back in November who suspiciously died?

If the Russian's wanted to create a discourse with the American people doing it through the elections is certainly the way to do it. To have half the county feel they are being cheated when voting will instill a lot of anger and resentment, that would probably build as time went on which must be addressed and resolved in order to put the trust back into the people.

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Mar 13, 2018 23:42:09   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
I was referring to Tillerson warning us of more Russian manipulations in the upcoming election, and he had mentioned they were getting better at it and more difficult to detect. Which trump semed to have no concern for.

I'm sorry but I'm not very familiar with the poisoning issue. Are you speaking of Putin's aid back in November who suspiciously died?

If the Russian's wanted to create a discourse with the American people doing it through the elections is certainly the way to do it. To have half the county feel they are being cheated when voting will instill a lot of anger and resentment, that would probably build as time went on which must be addressed and resolved in order to put the trust back into the people.
I was referring to Tillerson warning us of more Ru... (show quote)


I was speaking of the spy the Brits got in trade for one of theirs who was poisoned with a nerve gas suspected to be the type used by Russian assassins. I believe he died today. A similar poison was used many years ago by the Russian KGB to take out a double agent spy using an umbrella as the delivery tool.

Russia attempts manipulation in every election. There are movements in progress to harden the voting machines and vet the internal software as evidenced by discovery of back doors installed by the software manufacturers which were capable of flipping votes.

Tillerson has been at odds with Trump on many issues, Iran for instance. Despite widespread condemnation of Obama's deal and Trump's stated intention of renegotiating the agreement, Tillerson thought the agreement was fine and resisted any action. The State Department is hardly the venue to look for high tech penetration, that is the purview of the spook agencies. Tillerson should have stuck to his business and refrained from criticizing the President's actions. No one gets away with making his boss look dumb.

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Mar 14, 2018 16:09:39   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
I was speaking of the spy the Brits got in trade for one of theirs who was poisoned with a nerve gas suspected to be the type used by Russian assassins. I believe he died today. A similar poison was used many years ago by the Russian KGB to take out a double agent spy using an umbrella as the delivery tool.

Russia attempts manipulation in every election. There are movements in progress to harden the voting machines and vet the internal software as evidenced by discovery of back doors installed by the software manufacturers which were capable of flipping votes.

Tillerson has been at odds with Trump on many issues, Iran for instance. Despite widespread condemnation of Obama's deal and Trump's stated intention of renegotiating the agreement, Tillerson thought the agreement was fine and resisted any action. The State Department is hardly the venue to look for high tech penetration, that is the purview of the spook agencies. Tillerson should have stuck to his business and refrained from criticizing the President's actions. No one gets away with making his boss look dumb.
I was speaking of the spy the Brits got in trade f... (show quote)




Yes, that's what I thought but when I was trying to look it up I kept getting the older incident. The integrity of the voting machines has to be uncompromised or I believe the discontention in the country will severely expand and only no good will come of it.

You're correct, no one gets ahead that way, looks like at some point he lost his cool. It was my understanding from an interview he was criticizing the president for not reacting to the covert actions behind the Russians. Criticizing Trump is never a good idea.

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Mar 14, 2018 16:13:25   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
pafret wrote:
I was speaking of the spy the Brits got in trade for one of theirs who was poisoned with a nerve gas suspected to be the type used by Russian assassins. I believe he died today. A similar poison was used many years ago by the Russian KGB to take out a double agent spy using an umbrella as the delivery tool.

Russia attempts manipulation in every election. There are movements in progress to harden the voting machines and vet the internal software as evidenced by discovery of back doors installed by the software manufacturers which were capable of flipping votes.

Tillerson has been at odds with Trump on many issues, Iran for instance. Despite widespread condemnation of Obama's deal and Trump's stated intention of renegotiating the agreement, Tillerson thought the agreement was fine and resisted any action. The State Department is hardly the venue to look for high tech penetration, that is the purview of the spook agencies. Tillerson should have stuck to his business and refrained from criticizing the President's actions. No one gets away with making his boss look dumb.
I was speaking of the spy the Brits got in trade f... (show quote)
The Ukrainian (anti-Russian) president was killed by radiation poisoning some years ago. Ruskies were suspected, but I'm not sure if anything was proven.

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