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Jan 12, 2018 12:54:03   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Why is it then that all 300 "documented" mental disorders have no defining tests (blood, x-ray, MRI, etc.) of any kind to back up the diagnosis?


Because they do not have blood tests or other physical diagnostics should not surprise anyone. The illnesses are not physical, they are mental. And, at least at the present, we do not have enough understanding of how the brain functions to always point to physical markers. But we do know they are there because anti-psychotic drugs work.

As someone deeply devoted to the completely un-provable tenets of Christianity, I am surprised to find you are not comfortable with separating physical medicine from mental.

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Jan 12, 2018 13:02:03   #
mactheknife
 
I could not agree with you more! With respect to the news media and Democrats "diagnosing" President Trump, they are doing that without a license, which is against the law and these people should be prosecuted. Maybe they could avoid that by pleading that they are deranged, which is also a mental disorder. For those psychiatrists who diagnose the President without meeting and examining him, their licenses should be revoked, because they are a menace to our well-being. Finally, the Democrats will win back the White House at some time in future (hopefully, not soon). They have now established the manner in which their president will be treated. Message? Never throw stones in glass houses!

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Jan 12, 2018 13:20:32   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PeterS wrote:
So, even though all the behaviors that fit NPD also fit Trump you are saying he doesn't have NPD? My question is why do you have to be a psychiatrist to know that Trump is a nut? Just listen to him speak--nothing else need be said...


peters: It's simple....just like you....you're being a nut making such statements!

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Jan 12, 2018 13:30:43   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PaulPisces wrote:
...As someone deeply devoted to the completely un-provable tenets of Christianity, I am surprised to find you are not comfortable with separating physical medicine from mental.

I put my faith in Jesus Christ and not in man.

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Jan 12, 2018 13:41:45   #
imbobbyc Loc: Montana
 
What say you?

HUMMMM
HUMMMM...

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Jan 12, 2018 15:12:57   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
PeterS wrote:
Why are they suppose to? I have constant pain in my feet and legs and there is no test to diagnose it. So do I not have constant pain in my feet and legs? Not every diagnosis has a test attached to it. When you read all the behaviors attached to NPD Trump displays most if not all of them. Why is it you think someone who behaves like he has NPD doesn't actually have the disease?


Why are you trying to connect your physical disorder, whatever it is, with the supposedly mental disorder of Trump? Could that be because you really don't know a lot about mental problems? Could it be that you just don't know the difference in physical and mental problems? My favorite one on this subject is that the lady who is the head of the Psychiatric bunch isn't really a psychiatrist since she has allowed all her licenses to expire.

I think that those of you of the violent left lean are having a field day here about something you know so very little about. Do you know that the base field of psychiatry, psychology, is even more wide open than psychiatry? My cousin who lived most of his life in California studied psychiatry at a west coast school and he admitted to me that he really wouldn't be much of a "doctor" when he got his doctorate. He moved to Hawaii in the mid-50s where he could practice and did so very successfully for a number of years. He still didn't claim he could read up on a patient without talking with him but maybe he was west coast oriented not east coast like that fool woman.

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Jan 12, 2018 15:25:06   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
imbobbyc wrote:
What say you?


That poster is surely a good one. I wonder when any of our left leaners will try to refute the important parts of it. Surely at least one of the will try very hard since they all like to see things like this torn down. Either we have stopped this thread dead because they can't deal with the truth or just made enough of them downright irate in a way that drives them away.

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Jan 12, 2018 16:57:20   #
phenry
 
PeterS wrote:
So, even though all the behaviors that fit NPD also fit Trump you are saying he doesn't have NPD? My question is why do you have to be a psychiatrist to know that Trump is a nut? Just listen to him speak--nothing else need be said...


Something else does need to be said,he is doing a great job for this country and that needs to be said.

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Jan 12, 2018 17:08:36   #
mactheknife
 
Well said. The Dems will win the WH at some time. Little do they realize that they have paved the way for how their president will be treated. I hope that you can find a squeaky clean one but I doubt it.
Oprah wouldn't make it, nor would Elizabeth Warren. Good luck, you only have your selves to blame.
imbobbyc wrote:
What say you?

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Jan 12, 2018 17:37:46   #
phenry
 
PaulPisces wrote:
MW - I started a separate thread on this same topic regarding Trump, and I agree that it is unethical to make a diagnosis of any patient without examining them.

As to psychiatry being a "fake science" I do have to disagree. It's a well-established specialization in medicine and though you may not think so, it is a valid medical field which has helped millions of people with all kinds of disorders.


And hurt many people with the powerful drugs they use,these are the same people that when stymied by a patients problem advocates the use of powerful electric probes connected to the left and right temple area of a patients head and then drives electric current thru the brain 🧠.The procedure produces temporary and permanent memory loss,disorientation,confusion and even death.These are people that are now so enamored with themselves and their jobs they feel they can diagnose a perceived problem from great distances.I don’t think it a stretch to assume they are all liberals that receive a giant pat on the back from other liberals for their phony gotcha moment.
I may be wrong but there were supposedly 25 of these shrinks obviously questions remain,how many shrinks were contacted ,how many said that Trump was like many people that could be tagged with 5 out of 9 “symptoms “that it is perfectly normal.Notice the profession left quite a bit of wiggle room with their 5of 9 symptoms.
This President needs to be praised for the good things he has and will do for our country.Liberals should be shunned for the disgrace they contribute.

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Jan 12, 2018 17:44:18   #
imbobbyc Loc: Montana
 
oldroy wrote:
That poster is surely a good one. I wonder when any of our left leaners will try to refute the important parts of it. Surely at least one of the will try very hard since they all like to see things like this torn down. Either we have stopped this thread dead because they can't deal with the truth or just made enough of them downright irate in a way that drives them away.



I think you got it pegged.

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Jan 12, 2018 18:11:41   #
emarine
 
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr wrote:
emarine:
First off, your statement. "Trump has prove(d) to be a loose cannon who doesn't know when to shut up."
Should read as: Trump has prove(n) to be a loose cannon who doesn't know when to shut up.

Second thing. Show me where it states in the, First Amendment, that, President Trump, must conform to your
idea of, Freedom of Speech.

I'm sure, President Trump, knows more about what's in, and why, about the Constitution than you do.

Just how much experence do you have, at being, President?
You're critisizing a person for doing a job, that you have NO experence at.
emarine: br First off, your statement. "Trump... (show quote)




bottom line... he's way out of his league unless you're looking for a condo ... you're right all CINC's deserve respect & I've tried but...WTF already with this guy...

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Jan 12, 2018 18:30:44   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
emarine wrote:
bottom line... he's way out of his league unless you're looking for a condo ... you're right all CINC's deserve respect & I've tried but...WTF already with this guy...


emarine: Talking about out of his league!....the usurper half- ? In all reality had no qualifications for the disastrous 8 years of his...whatever it was!!!

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Jan 12, 2018 19:00:41   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
emarine wrote:
bottom line... he's way out of his league unless you're looking for a condo ... you're right all CINC's deserve respect & I've tried but...WTF already with this guy...


And whom determined he was out of his league?
What league is he suppose to be in?

Were not talking about the American or National football league.

This is the Presidency, there is no play book for this.

Look back to all the past President, clear back to, LBJ, whom acted like a President? Not a single one.
What is a President suppose to act like?
Look at how some of the Senators and Congressmen act like, there worse then a bunch of high school girls.
There's not a professional in the whole dam bunch. That goes for both Democrats and Republican's.
President Trump, act no worse the those in Congress or even the Federal Courts.

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Jan 12, 2018 19:28:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
emarine wrote:
bottom line... he's way out of his league unless you're looking for a condo ... you're right all CINC's deserve respect & I've tried but...WTF already with this guy...
Trump isn't "out of his league", he is squarely standing in his league, a league which does not by any stretch resemble the league of establishment politicians, a league populated by concerned American citizens who have had their fill of liberalism's "fundamental transformation" of our great nation.

The way Trump played the politicians and media during his public conference on immigration was masterful, almost as good as Joshua Bell plays the violin. Those damn fools thought they had him wrapped around their fingers---until they came back to him with their version of "immigration reform." Then he busted their chops.


There's nothing wrong with Trump's desire for better immigrants.
Professor John Lott

Is it racist to say that you would prefer immigrants coming to the U.S. who are well-educated, skilled, and high-income earners? Or would you want poorly-educated, unskilled people? Is it racist for countries such as Canada and Australia to rank immigrants on a point system based on these qualities?

President Trump supposedly called Haiti and African nations “shithole countries” and said, “We should have more people from Norway.” Trump denies using that language, while Republican senators say they “do not recall” him saying it.

To Trevor Noah, it was a clear case of racism. “But you know what part put it over the line for me is Norway,” Noah told his Comedy Central audience on Thursday. “Yeah, when he said where he wanted immigrants to come from, he didn’t just name a white country. He named the whitest country.”

CNN’s Anderson Cooper saw it the same way, saying that Trump “is tired of so many black people coming into this country … he would like to bring more people from countries like Norway. Norway, which population is overwhelmingly of Nordic descent. White people in other words.”

While some people see everything in terms of race, there are other obvious reasons why you might prefer people from certain countries.

Norway’s per-student spending from primary school through college is the third highest among developed countries. It has one of the world’s highest real per capita incomes, which adjusts for livings costs. In 2016, the IMF listed Norway at $69,249. That is 21 percent higher than the U.S. real per capita income of $57,436.

In contrast, Haiti’s real per capita income is just $1,784 per person. In sub-Saharan Africa, it is $3,732.

The differences in people’s skills explain a lot of these variations in income. Haiti’s education system is a disaster, with the lowest schooling rate in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti's literacy rate is well below the average for Latin American and Caribbean countries (61 percent versus 90 percent).

A lot of kids don’t have the opportunity to go to school in sub-Saharan Africa. Over one-fifth of children between the ages of about 6 and 11 are out of school, and one-third of those from 12 to 14.

Other countries focus much more on trying to attract the best and brightest immigrants. When China took over Hong Kong from Britain in 1997, a lot of wealthy Chinese wanted to leave Hong Kong and come to the United States. Unable to do so, they instead went to countries such as Canada, which gave wealth and education strong preferential treatment. These Canadian immigrants from Hong Kong brought an estimated $4.2 billion in wealth with them.

Ignore people’s race. Who do you want? Higher income immigrants mean more tax revenue. Low-income people don’t pay income taxes. In 2014, 45 percent of Americans paid no federal income taxes.

Not surprisingly, poor people are more likely to use government welfare. In 2009, the Center for Immigration Studies found that 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program. For households with children headed by native-born Americans, the rate was 39 percent. Even immigrant households with no U.S.-born children received welfare benefits at a very high rate — 56 percent.

Welfare use varies dramatically based on an immigrant’s country of origin. Welfare benefits are given to seventy-five percent of immigrant households with children that came from Mexico or Guatemala. This is true of only 7 percent of those same types of households from the United Kingdom

The U.S. State Department warns that “crime statistics are woefully underreported” in Haiti, but what data is available indicates that they have an astronomical murder rate, with something around 60.9 per 100,000 people in 2012. By contrast, the murder rate in Norway is about 0.56 per 100,000.

Illegal immigrants also commit crime at a much higher rate than do U.S. citizens. This doesn't just ruin lives, it also imposes real costs for our police and prisons.

Subsidizing the educations of poor immigrants means fewer resources to educate minority groups right here at home, such as Native Americans. With a $20 trillion debt, America has to be much more careful with its money.

The media likes to constantly paint President Trump as a racist, and they clearly haven’t been above misinterpreting remarks and quoting them out of context to make that case.

Let’s stop making everything about race. Not everything is about race. If Norwegians were poor and badly educated, Trump wouldn’t want them or use them as an example, no matter how white they are.

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