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Dec 16, 2017 20:23:25   #
Richard Rowland
 
The local paper ran an editorial titled, "Decency Prevails, Thank You Alabama." Of course, the editorial featured the alleged misdeeds Roy Moore is accused of committing. Everyone has heard or read the nature of the allegations, so I won't repeat them here. I will, however, attempt to add a bit of reason to the story of Roy Moore by questioning the accusations and those making them.

The first thing most would find questionable is the timing of the allegations. Strange that after forty years they pop up at a most convenient time.

We've also heard, or read the details and the discrepancies contained in those allegations, as told by the accusers. The then fourteen-year-old gets her story, of where she met Roy Moore when leaving the house for their rendezvous, wrong. One could reason that after forty years, her memory of specific landmarks has faded. One could also ask what other memories have faded.

We've heard about the yearbook being embellished by forged additions. We also head the person responsible for the forgeries has some character issues. Forgery aside, her stepson claims she's lying.

Then there's the assault that took place in a parking lot, where the supposed parking lot didn't actually exist. My intent isn't to absolve Roy Moore, for only he and those, if any, who were on the receiving end of Roy Moore's advances know the truth.

However, the one area of accusation, I find the more questionable, is the mall story. It's alleged that he was kicked out of a mall for harassing teenage girls. Who would have had the authority to kick anyone out of a public place? If a situation had become serious to the point of needing to remove anyone from a public place, it would be reasonable to assume the police would be involved, therefore a police report. To my knowledge, a report has never been produced. Besides, Roy Moore was a public official (Asst. Dist. attorney) how dumb would he have to be to put himself in a position of being kicked out of a mall.

Most folks with a bit of reasoning, regardless of one's opinion of Roy Moore's political positions, would, when considering the shaky and false recollections of the allegations, plus the forty year timeline, give Roy Moore the benefit of doubt. Still, the election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones wasn't about the benefit of the doubt. It was about destroying Roy Moore.

However, I understand the willingness to buy into the destroy, Roy Moore, narrative. All things being the same, if the name Roy Moore was substituted to "Chuck Schumer," I'd find myself calling for Schumer's head. Schumer wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt from me!

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Dec 16, 2017 21:03:49   #
Kevyn
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
The local paper ran an editorial titled, "Decency Prevails, Thank You Alabama." Of course, the editorial featured the alleged misdeeds Roy Moore is accused of committing. Everyone has heard or read the nature of the allegations, so I won't repeat them here. I will, however, attempt to add a bit of reason to the story of Roy Moore by questioning the accusations and those making them.

The first thing most would find questionable is the timing of the allegations. Strange that after forty years they pop up at a most convenient time.

We've also heard, or read the details and the discrepancies contained in those allegations, as told by the accusers. The then fourteen-year-old gets her story, of where she met Roy Moore when leaving the house for their rendezvous, wrong. One could reason that after forty years, her memory of specific landmarks has faded. One could also ask what other memories have faded.

We've heard about the yearbook being embellished by forged additions. We also head the person responsible for the forgeries has some character issues. Forgery aside, her stepson claims she's lying.

Then there's the assault that took place in a parking lot, where the supposed parking lot didn't actually exist. My intent isn't to absolve Roy Moore, for only he and those, if any, who were on the receiving end of Roy Moore's advances know the truth.

However, the one area of accusation, I find the more questionable, is the mall story. It's alleged that he was kicked out of a mall for harassing teenage girls. Who would have had the authority to kick anyone out of a public place? If a situation had become serious to the point of needing to remove anyone from a public place, it would be reasonable to assume the police would be involved, therefore a police report. To my knowledge, a report has never been produced. Besides, Roy Moore was a public official (Asst. Dist. attorney) how dumb would he have to be to put himself in a position of being kicked out of a mall.

Most folks with a bit of reasoning, regardless of one's opinion of Roy Moore's political positions, would, when considering the shaky and false recollections of the allegations, plus the forty year timeline, give Roy Moore the benefit of doubt. Still, the election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones wasn't about the benefit of the doubt. It was about destroying Roy Moore.

However, I understand the willingness to buy into the destroy, Roy Moore, narrative. All things being the same, if the name Roy Moore was substituted to "Chuck Schumer," I'd find myself calling for Schumer's head. Schumer wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt from me!
The local paper ran an editorial titled, "Dec... (show quote)
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.

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Dec 16, 2017 21:19:09   #
timofrock
 
Kevyn wrote:
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.


WOW,... So Original you ARE.
Don't jump around too fast, someone may think a rattle snake is near.

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Dec 16, 2017 21:47:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
timofrock wrote:
WOW,... So Original you ARE.
Don't jump around too fast, someone may think a rattle snake is near.


He’s safe. Rattlesnakes don’t eat crap.

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Dec 16, 2017 22:14:32   #
Richard Rowland
 
Kevyn wrote:
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.


I don't have to deal with anything. Your pithy comment indicates that you're fine with the sleazy treatment Roy Moore has received. What I find disconcerting is the number of people that jumped on the bandwagon denouncing Roy Moore, or anyone, for that matter, when proof of guilt is questionable. I would think, you of all people would have a bit of sympathy for the unjustly accused, for I've read the many insinuations, by others, of what your proclivities are.

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Dec 16, 2017 23:40:38   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
Kevyn wrote:
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.


Kevyn, TRUMP WON & hiLIARy lost DEAL WITH IT!

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Dec 17, 2017 08:31:36   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
Kevyn wrote:
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.


Not so fast slick.

Judge Johnathon Wilekenmeyer of the 21st District Federal Court of Appeals has issued a standing order to the Alabama Division of Fair Elections to begin a total recount of the 2017 special election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones.
According to our source inside the Moore camp, the military and provisional ballots have been counted, which brought the vote close enough to initiate a recount.

Therefore, Jones hasn't won anything yet.
There is sufficient evidence of vote fraud.

Yes, Virginia, voter fraud does exist.

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Dec 17, 2017 08:33:53   #
Lonewolf
 
Looking at Moore's record I can't see why anyone would vote for him




Richard Rowland wrote:
I don't have to deal with anything. Your pithy comment indicates that you're fine with the sleazy treatment Roy Moore has received. What I find disconcerting is the number of people that jumped on the bandwagon denouncing Roy Moore, or anyone, for that matter, when proof of guilt is questionable. I would think, you of all people would have a bit of sympathy for the unjustly accused, for I've read the many insinuations, by others, of what your proclivities are.

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Dec 17, 2017 09:23:24   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
Schumer is a N.Y 'progressive' and Moore is an Alabama 'Conservative'Enough said!

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Dec 17, 2017 10:03:15   #
PulletSurprise Loc: Columbus, GA
 
This Special Election wasn't about one man, Judge Moore, but a continual manipulation of dumbing down the masses. Judge Moore's ideology didn't fit within the framework of business as usual in Washington DC. His presence would have been a grave threat to the establishment. They already have Dr. Rand Paul (KY Senator) and adding a controversial figure like Moore would have been like having a loaded two barrel shotgun!

As long as the masses can be satisfied with Main Street Politicians, the show goes on! It was acceptable to seat Strange or Jones... it was just another election. Why did the Waste Stream Media and the 2 National Parties pour millions upon millions into this particular election?

A friend, an engineer, sent the following message:

I heard some folks talking yesterday (on talk radio) about how the special senate election was rigged. they compared republican votes for Trump versus Moore in four of the largest counties and it looked like there was a shortfall of 100,000! The democrats votes were about same as Hillary.

I decided to do some calculations and I have attached the results comparing the special senate election with the last few senate elections and several past presidential elections. The results seem to indicate the democrat Jones had about same number of votes as Hillary. Moore had about 600,000 fewer votes than Trump.

Was Moore that unpopular? Did 600,000 republicans choose not to vote?

2016 Presidential
Republican Democrat TOTAL
1,318,255 729,547 2,047,802

2017 Special Election
Moore - Jones
650,436 671,151 1,321,587


Then we have a new controversy revolving around preserving the digital ballots:

https://www.alternet.org/activism/alabama-voters-sue-state-preserve-ballot-images-special-us-senate-election

The filing for a Republican, Democrat, Independent and a minister came after lawyers for the voters were rebuffed by statewide Alabama election officials, who they urged not only to preserve all election records (as required under federal law), but to ensure the electronic scanners that will read and count the ink-marked paper ballots are properly programmed to capture the paper ballot images.

“Defendants [Secretary of State] John Merrill and [State Elections Director] Ed Packard are failing to carry out their duties to instruct county election officials to preserve all election materials as required by law,” the suit filed in the Circuit Court of Montgomery County said. “Specifically, Defendants, according to information provided by them, indicate they do not and will not instruct election officials in each of the Alabama counties to preserve digital ballot images created by digital voting machines used throughout the state even though they are instructing such county officials to preserve ‘write-in’ digital ballots.”

“Defendants have confirmed that in previous elections and in the December 12, 2017, special election, they have instructed and are instructing election officials of all Alabama counties using the ES&S DS200 or similar digital ballot scanning devices to preserve ‘Processed Write-in Images’ only,” the suit said. “As a result, county election officials or workers under their supervision automatically destroy all other digital ballots following the election.”

The suit cited Alabama law requiring election records be preserved for six months and federal law that all election records be preserved for 22 months.

“Defendants violate Alabama’s public records law and Plaintiffs’ right to a fair and accurate election by failing to instruct county election officials to preserve all ballot images,” the suit concluded. “Without the preservation of these digital ballot images, Defendants’ rights to a fair and accurate election could be denied.”

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Dec 17, 2017 10:57:40   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Kevyn wrote:
Moore lost, Jones won, deal with it.


kevyn: I don't think you can deal with the Trump - Train economy!

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Dec 17, 2017 11:00:31   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I don't have to deal with anything. Your pithy comment indicates that you're fine with the sleazy treatment Roy Moore has received. What I find disconcerting is the number of people that jumped on the bandwagon denouncing Roy Moore, or anyone, for that matter, when proof of guilt is questionable. I would think, you of all people would have a bit of sympathy for the unjustly accused, for I've read the many insinuations, by others, of what your proclivities are.






Richard Rowland: It truly is a sad state of affairs in this country when one cannot apply our bill of rights to such accusations! The electorate has become so stupid.....The Culture Communist are laughing all away to the bank!!!!!

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Dec 17, 2017 11:03:49   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Looking at Moore's record I can't see why anyone would vote for him


loneywolf: The only record Roy Moore has is exceptional! The actuations stink to high heaven! Do you support you're own Bill of Rights? Let the man have his day in court!

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Dec 17, 2017 11:10:35   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
loneywolf: The only record Roy Moore has is exceptional! The actuations stink to high heaven! Do you support you're own Bill of Rights? Let the man have his day in court!


The left does not believe in the "Bill of Rights", they think the whole Constitution is outdated, thereby all Federal Laws do
not exist.
Hence their communist manifesto.
Their whole goal in life is to see the United States, brought down to a 3rd world country.

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Dec 17, 2017 11:14:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
As usual he's the caboose.
ldsuttonjr wrote:
kevyn: I don't think you can deal with the Trump - Train economy!

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