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Nov 22, 2017 03:48:26   #
S. Maturin
 
Just look at the 'bedfellows'!

"On July 13, 2017, Infowars.com reported that a coalition formed by George Soros, including Internet giants Google, Facebook, Amazon, as well as the salacious extreme-and-abusive-sex website PornHub, had flooded the FCC with thousands of “citizen comments,” coming from Russia, of all places, opposing the FCC’s planned repeal of the Obama-era “Net Neutrality” rules."

Obama's boot coming off the neck of your news networks and entertainment.

Since when does a government dictate what the civilians can and cannot watch!?

http://www.infowars.com/fcc-to-free-internet-from-obamas-net-neutrality-rules/

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Nov 22, 2017 04:50:31   #
Kevyn
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Just look at the 'bedfellows'!

"On July 13, 2017, Infowars.com reported that a coalition formed by George Soros, including Internet giants Google, Facebook, Amazon, as well as the salacious extreme-and-abusive-sex website PornHub, had flooded the FCC with thousands of “citizen comments,” coming from Russia, of all places, opposing the FCC’s planned repeal of the Obama-era “Net Neutrality” rules."

Obama's boot coming off the neck of your news networks and entertainment.

Since when does a government dictate what the civilians can and cannot watch!?

http://www.infowars.com/fcc-to-free-internet-from-obamas-net-neutrality-rules/
Just look at the 'bedfellows'! br br "On Jul... (show quote)

Do you understand what the net neutrality rule accomplishes? You are pretty clearly on the wrong side of this if you think net neutrality restricts what you can watch.

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Nov 22, 2017 04:54:46   #
S. Maturin
 
Kevyn wrote:
Do you understand what the net neutrality rule accomplishes? You are pretty clearly on the wrong side of this if you think net neutrality restricts what you can watch.


Go ahead, Kev., explain 'net neutrality' to me.

I await your astute comprehension and understanding. Please fill me in.

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Nov 22, 2017 05:03:27   #
Kevyn
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Go ahead, Kev., explain 'net neutrality' to me.

I await your astute comprehension and understanding. Please fill me in.
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet service providers from slowing down or increasing the speed that information is streamed or uploaded to you based on content. In other words your internet provider is not allowed to slow the performance of content you choose in order to speed up the content of their choice. In many communities there is only one provider of broadband service and without net neutrality rules they can sensor what you get to see and how fast you get to see it based on their, not your choices.

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Nov 22, 2017 07:15:50   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Kevyn wrote:
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet service providers from slowing down or increasing the speed that information is streamed or uploaded to you based on content. In other words your internet provider is not allowed to slow the performance of content you choose in order to speed up the content of their choice. In many communities there is only one provider of broadband service and without net neutrality rules they can sensor what you get to see and how fast you get to see it based on their, not your choices.
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet ser... (show quote)



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Nov 22, 2017 08:07:15   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Just another power grab for the government !

What amazes me is the amount of people who want and need the government to do for them that have no ability to think for themselves !

It's a proven fact that anything Big government has their hands in will screw it up !

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Nov 22, 2017 08:13:44   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Kevyn wrote:
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet service providers from slowing down or increasing the speed that information is streamed or uploaded to you based on content. In other words your internet provider is not allowed to slow the performance of content you choose in order to speed up the content of their choice. In many communities there is only one provider of broadband service and without net neutrality rules they can sensor what you get to see and how fast you get to see it based on their, not your choices.
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet ser... (show quote)


Fascinating. How do they do that? What's the mechanism? I really don't see how that could be possible.

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Nov 22, 2017 08:36:25   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Think you might want to rethink your position on Net Neutrality. We did not have these rules under Bill Clinton and the net grew at a very healthy rate, them ISP's like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and so on lobbied to change giving them the rule of powers. 100's of smaller ISP's were driven out giving the large ISP's more customers (think money). At the time I lived in one of those smaller communities at that time, the time of dial-up, remember 56k, at the time I was seeing speeds of 77k and that provider was bought out, new provider top speed with then was 44k-45k for $5 more, that new provider was Comcast and they had cable at $74 with what was consider blazing speeds of 2gb, then Time-Warner came along with 10gb at $50, which would you take? Then things like Netflix came along and providers had a fit because the providers wanted to sell the user movies at $9.95 and up so they throttled back what you were paying for because the user was buying movies elsewhere on their networks that the user was paying for so you movie that you were paying for was choppy. I'm seeing that today even though I have 100gb although not as bad as 20 years ago. Youtube wasn't very good for years until the rules were changed in around 2000. A regular movie needs about 18gb to be smooth, so what you want to want to go back and give control to the ISP's? Guess your not much of a thinker and liked the days of Windows 3.11 like video.



Kevyn wrote:
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet service providers from slowing down or increasing the speed that information is streamed or uploaded to you based on content. In other words your internet provider is not allowed to slow the performance of content you choose in order to speed up the content of their choice. In many communities there is only one provider of broadband service and without net neutrality rules they can sensor what you get to see and how fast you get to see it based on their, not your choices.
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet ser... (show quote)

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Nov 22, 2017 08:55:27   #
moldyoldy
 
bmac32 wrote:
Think you might want to rethink your position on Net Neutrality. We did not have these rules under Bill Clinton and the net grew at a very healthy rate, them ISP's like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and so on lobbied to change giving them the rule of powers. 100's of smaller ISP's were driven out giving the large ISP's more customers (think money). At the time I lived in one of those smaller communities at that time, the time of dial-up, remember 56k, at the time I was seeing speeds of 77k and that provider was bought out, new provider top speed with then was 44k-45k for $5 more, that new provider was Comcast and they had cable at $74 with what was consider blazing speeds of 2gb, then Time-Warner came along with 10gb at $50, which would you take? Then things like Netflix came along and providers had a fit because the providers wanted to sell the user movies at $9.95 and up so they throttled back what you were paying for because the user was buying movies elsewhere on their networks that the user was paying for so you movie that you were paying for was choppy. I'm seeing that today even though I have 100gb although not as bad as 20 years ago. Youtube wasn't very good for years until the rules were changed in around 2000. A regular movie needs about 18gb to be smooth, so what you want to want to go back and give control to the ISP's? Guess your not much of a thinker and liked the days of Windows 3.11 like video.
Think you might want to rethink your position on N... (show quote)


Apples and oranges in your case. Net neutrality keeps the net neutral instead of forcing you to see what google chooses for you by making other sites just buffer for 15 minutes before opening. It would be like AOL with the phone line waiting and waiting.

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Nov 22, 2017 09:22:00   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Just look at the 'bedfellows'!

"On July 13, 2017, Infowars.com reported that a coalition formed by George Soros, including Internet giants Google, Facebook, Amazon, as well as the salacious extreme-and-abusive-sex website PornHub, had flooded the FCC with thousands of “citizen comments,” coming from Russia, of all places, opposing the FCC’s planned repeal of the Obama-era “Net Neutrality” rules."

Obama's boot coming off the neck of your news networks and entertainment.

Since when does a government dictate what the civilians can and cannot watch!?

http://www.infowars.com/fcc-to-free-internet-from-obamas-net-neutrality-rules/
Just look at the 'bedfellows'! br br "On Jul... (show quote)




You are confused as to what side of this issue is for the tax payers..

a link to a good summation.. Old from 2015, it call the rules "new rules" but it is the rules that you want removed because of the misunderstanding..



https://www.cnet.com/news/13-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-fccs-net-neutrality-regulation/



1.What are the new rules?

The FCC's Net neutrality order boils down to three key rules:

No Blocking. Simply put: A broadband provider can't block lawful content, applications, services or nonharmful devices.

No Throttling. The FCC created a separate rule that prohibits broadband providers from slowing down specific applications or services, a practice known as throttling. More to the point, the FCC said providers can't single out Internet traffic based on who sends it, where it's going, what the content happens to be or whether that content competes with the provider's business.

No Paid Prioritization. A broadband provider cannot accept fees for favored treatment. In short, the rules prohibit Internet fast lanes.

This is current, from this morning..

https://www.wired.com/story/heres-how-the-end-of-net-neutrality-will-change-the-internet/


INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS like Comcast and Verizon may soon be free to block content, slow video-streaming services from rivals, and offer “fast lanes” to preferred partners. For a glimpse of how the internet experience may change, look at what broadband providers are doing under the existing “net neutrality” rules.

When AT&T customers access its DirecTV Now video-streaming service, the data doesn’t count against their plan’s data limits. Verizon, likewise, exempts its Go90 service from its customers’ data plans. T-Mobile allows multiple video and music streaming services to bypass its data limits, essentially allowing it to pick winners and losers in those categories.

Consumers will likely see more arrangements like these, granting or blocking access to specific content, if the Federal Communications Commission next month repeals Obama-era net neutrality rules that ban broadband providers from discriminating against lawful content providers. The commission outlined its proposed changes on Tuesday, and plans to publish them Wednesday. The proposal would also ban states from passing their own versions of the old rules. Because Republicans have a majority in the agency, the proposal will likely pass and take effect early next year.

Because many internet services for mobile devices include limits on data use, the changes will be visible there first. In one dramatic scenario, internet services would begin to resemble cable-TV packages, where subscriptions could be limited to a few dozen sites and services. Or, for big spenders, a few hundred. Fortunately, that’s not a likely scenario. Instead, expect a gradual shift towards subscriptions that provide unlimited access to certain preferred providers while charging extra for everything else.

Net neutrality advocates have long worried that these sorts of preferential offerings harm competition, and by extension, consumers, by making it harder for smaller providers to compete. A company like Netflix or Amazon can likely shell out to sponsor data, but smaller companies don't necessarily have the budget.

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Nov 22, 2017 09:27:49   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
So you want jerky video also? It' basically about choice. Don't know about you but I do not want an ISP to be able to throttle me like many of the phone companies are doing today. When someone pays for unlimited at a certain speed they should receive it, not the first say 20gb like many of the larger ones do right now, same thing goes for 4G to 3G and some cut your phone service to 2G. Read the contract closely, I know Verizon and Sprint already do this, so what would be next?



moldyoldy wrote:
Apples and oranges in your case. Net neutrality keeps the net neutral instead of forcing you to see what google chooses for you by making other sites just buffer for 15 minutes before opening. It would be like AOL with the phone line waiting and waiting.

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Nov 22, 2017 09:30:32   #
moldyoldy
 
bmac32 wrote:
So you want jerky video also? It' basically about choice. Don't know about you but I do not want an ISP to be able to throttle me like many of the phone companies are doing today. When someone pays for unlimited at a certain speed they should receive it, not the first say 20gb like many of the larger ones do right now, same thing goes for 4G to 3G and some cut your phone service to 2G. Read the contract closely, I know Verizon and Sprint already do this, so what would be next?


Sounds like we want the same thing. Leave it alone.

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Nov 22, 2017 10:42:46   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I'd say the same thing except I've been seeing lots of circle arrows. Before it was passed I had not seen one in years but the last couple years I can't say the same on Netflix or Amazon, all I want is my bandwidth that I pay for.


moldyoldy wrote:
Sounds like we want the same thing. Leave it alone.

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Nov 22, 2017 11:18:22   #
Kevyn
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Fascinating. How do they do that? What's the mechanism? I really don't see how that could be possible.

Do you ever notice how your cell phone streaming slows down at the end of the month if you use too much bandwidth? The same can happen with content you want. For instance if your service provider owns a movie streaming service they would be able to prioritize that over another service you subscribe to so your service drops signal and has glitches while the one they want you to use comes in at hi definition. This way they can provide you with what they want you to see instead of what you choose to watch. So right wingers, think about what sites you visit, who owns your internet provider and if you want them to control what you can stream or download. Net neutrality protects consumers from being censored by their internet service providers, and protects small content providers from being buried by giants.

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Nov 22, 2017 11:52:45   #
S. Maturin
 
Kevyn wrote:
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet service providers from slowing down or increasing the speed that information is streamed or uploaded to you based on content. In other words your internet provider is not allowed to slow the performance of content you choose in order to speed up the content of their choice. In many communities there is only one provider of broadband service and without net neutrality rules they can sensor what you get to see and how fast you get to see it based on their, not your choices.
net neutrality is a rule that forbids internet ser... (show quote)


Nice try. "Net neutrality" is one of those incredibly Stalinist attempts at forcing media coverage of worthless propaganda and BS folks like you cannot exist without.

"This means the rules govern just the companies and the sections of their networks that deliver Internet access to consumers. Companies subject to the regulation are broadband providers, like AT&T, Verizon or Comcast, which sell consumers fixed or wireless access to the Internet. "

"Govern* companies and the sections of their networks.. The camel's nose under the tent.

I'm with Ajit Pai! http://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-to-eliminate-net-neutrality-regulations/

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