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Nov 17, 2017 03:16:06   #
MtnMamma
 
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing all the aspects and nuances of this issue. And there are many, or at least I get the sense there is. Being polite and respectful was the ultimate of "being good" growing up. And my world as a child was ordered by this and all seemed to agree. Decency and honor was, it seemed, everywhere. All adults were good. Not just good, absolutely so. Yet I was lucky in that atmosphere. Nothing wrong ever happened to me. But that is not my point. Tremendous threats of abuse were there in the past yet our society is steadily destroying all standards of common respect, fairness, and kindness. Too restrictive on individual freedom. Its social mores are oppressive. Please and thank you are tragic references to a hypocritical past of authoritarian, fraternal control.

For me, I hate the way we talk now. I fear this "freedom to be who we are" will kill what we could be. We need standards. Moral standards. Strict moral standards. Freedom is not being unrestrained in our thoughts or ways for what we want, but disciplined in working for what is best for our place in the community of humankind. Our ultimate well-being is intimately tied to, entwined, with our neighbors. The decent and sane know this without thinking.

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Nov 17, 2017 05:37:55   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
I absolutely agree. To live in a society peacably, we must be civilized, or the chaos that we now see unfolding becomes the norm. Turn on the TV and what is considered comedy, but our most vile and base weaknesses.. The news likewise. This is now accepted as we have forsaken our moral foundation, , mainly our accountability to God, but also to society at large. Today we are instructed to damn all and please ourselves, regardless of consequence, and the consequences we are reaping are dire. This all started with the destruction of the family, we are a nation of negected undisciplined children. Many were never taught to engage in life, but are simply running amok.

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Nov 17, 2017 06:28:27   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
I'm kind of old, and I think I have it partially figured out... I think it started with the Fed Reserve (big greedy banksters), then the Fed Income tax in 1913 (greedy government), then the church gave up the right to censor films, then no fault divorce, then prayer out of the schools, then sex ed, then abortion, then same sex marriage... and Hugh Hefner played his role and so did Hollywood and drugs, the sexual revolution of the 60's... looking back it all seems so planned, little by little. We need to repent and return to God and our foundations and Constitution and it's original intent. All our institutions have been failing for a long time. It's called "moral decay".

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Nov 17, 2017 07:18:25   #
rebob14
 
MtnMamma wrote:
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing all the aspects and nuances of this issue. And there are many, or at least I get the sense there is. Being polite and respectful was the ultimate of "being good" growing up. And my world as a child was ordered by this and all seemed to agree. Decency and honor was, it seemed, everywhere. All adults were good. Not just good, absolutely so. Yet I was lucky in that atmosphere. Nothing wrong ever happened to me. But that is not my point. Tremendous threats of abuse were there in the past yet our society is steadily destroying all standards of common respect, fairness, and kindness. Too restrictive on individual freedom. Its social mores are oppressive. Please and thank you are tragic references to a hypocritical past of authoritarian, fraternal control.

For me, I hate the way we talk now. I fear this "freedom to be who we are" will kill what we could be. We need standards. Moral standards. Strict moral standards. Freedom is not being unrestrained in our thoughts or ways for what we want, but disciplined in working for what is best for our place in the community of humankind. Our ultimate well-being is intimately tied to, entwined, with our neighbors. The decent and sane know this without thinking.
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing ... (show quote)

Amen and Amen!!! “.......a man with an undisciplined mind is like a city without walls”

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Nov 17, 2017 07:51:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
MtnMamma wrote:
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing all the aspects and nuances of this issue. And there are many, or at least I get the sense there is. Being polite and respectful was the ultimate of "being good" growing up. And my world as a child was ordered by this and all seemed to agree. Decency and honor was, it seemed, everywhere. All adults were good. Not just good, absolutely so. Yet I was lucky in that atmosphere. Nothing wrong ever happened to me. But that is not my point. Tremendous threats of abuse were there in the past yet our society is steadily destroying all standards of common respect, fairness, and kindness. Too restrictive on individual freedom. Its social mores are oppressive. Please and thank you are tragic references to a hypocritical past of authoritarian, fraternal control.

For me, I hate the way we talk now. I fear this "freedom to be who we are" will kill what we could be. We need standards. Moral standards. Strict moral standards. Freedom is not being unrestrained in our thoughts or ways for what we want, but disciplined in working for what is best for our place in the community of humankind. Our ultimate well-being is intimately tied to, entwined, with our neighbors. The decent and sane know this without thinking.
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing ... (show quote)


We have standards and moral standards that have been under attack for some time now..

Where there is no society there is no Country..

The breakdown may be caused by the changes in the political and/or cultural changes of the society being attacked to weaken our resolve to stand with dignity and grace regardless of attack...

We have accepted a lower standard on the PC of it alll.. At least some have..
The moral standard of good and bad is a constant reminder and we do know the difference.. Some it seems just don’t care anymore..
The need to hold ourself to a higher moral acceptance is absolute..

Your words define but your action establishes you..

I agree the language used anymore is atrocious and as long as we accept it as the norm and not challenge it through objection the more it will break down..

Graciousness is the ability to think, speak and act your feelings within the bounds of dignity... yet we often don’t even think before our words come jumping out..

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Nov 17, 2017 07:56:21   #
Ox
 
I agree with the op' s premise. Even the common discourse has become that of the gutter. We place the filthy language and behavior of celebrities as examples for the young.

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Nov 17, 2017 08:09:45   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
All great comments from really great people.I too wish we could put the genie back in the bottle and go back to a time when people respected each other it was a much better world.

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Nov 17, 2017 08:38:52   #
debeda
 
MtnMamma wrote:
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing all the aspects and nuances of this issue. And there are many, or at least I get the sense there is. Being polite and respectful was the ultimate of "being good" growing up. And my world as a child was ordered by this and all seemed to agree. Decency and honor was, it seemed, everywhere. All adults were good. Not just good, absolutely so. Yet I was lucky in that atmosphere. Nothing wrong ever happened to me. But that is not my point. Tremendous threats of abuse were there in the past yet our society is steadily destroying all standards of common respect, fairness, and kindness. Too restrictive on individual freedom. Its social mores are oppressive. Please and thank you are tragic references to a hypocritical past of authoritarian, fraternal control.

For me, I hate the way we talk now. I fear this "freedom to be who we are" will kill what we could be. We need standards. Moral standards. Strict moral standards. Freedom is not being unrestrained in our thoughts or ways for what we want, but disciplined in working for what is best for our place in the community of humankind. Our ultimate well-being is intimately tied to, entwined, with our neighbors. The decent and sane know this without thinking.
I admit to being totally inadequate at discussing ... (show quote)


AGREED!! I wonder when we went from admiring those who did the right thing to admiring those who "Got over on" everybody. Great post.

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Nov 17, 2017 08:39:44   #
debeda
 
out of the woods wrote:
I absolutely agree. To live in a society peacably, we must be civilized, or the chaos that we now see unfolding becomes the norm. Turn on the TV and what is considered comedy, but our most vile and base weaknesses.. The news likewise. This is now accepted as we have forsaken our moral foundation, , mainly our accountability to God, but also to society at large. Today we are instructed to damn all and please ourselves, regardless of consequence, and the consequences we are reaping are dire. This all started with the destruction of the family, we are a nation of negected undisciplined children. Many were never taught to engage in life, but are simply running amok.
I absolutely agree. To live in a society peacably,... (show quote)


Too true. Sad...

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Nov 17, 2017 08:40:48   #
debeda
 
rebob14 wrote:
Amen and Amen!!! “.......a man with an undisciplined mind is like a city without walls”


GREAT quote!

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Nov 17, 2017 08:41:48   #
debeda
 
Peewee wrote:
I'm kind of old, and I think I have it partially figured out... I think it started with the Fed Reserve (big greedy banksters), then the Fed Income tax in 1913 (greedy government), then the church gave up the right to censor films, then no fault divorce, then prayer out of the schools, then sex ed, then abortion, then same sex marriage... and Hugh Hefner played his role and so did Hollywood and drugs, the sexual revolution of the 60's... looking back it all seems so planned, little by little. We need to repent and return to God and our foundations and Constitution and it's original intent. All our institutions have been failing for a long time. It's called "moral decay".
I'm kind of old, and I think I have it partially f... (show quote)


Yep. Sad for us, more sad for younger generations...

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Nov 17, 2017 08:43:09   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
We have standards and moral standards that have been under attack for some time now..

Where there is no society there is no Country..

The breakdown may be caused by the changes in the political and/or cultural changes of the society being attacked to weaken our resolve to stand with dignity and grace regardless of attack...

We have accepted a lower standard on the PC of it alll.. At least some have..
The moral standard of good and bad is a constant reminder and we do know the difference.. Some it seems just don’t care anymore..
The need to hold ourself to a higher moral acceptance is absolute..

Your words define but your action establishes you..

I agree the language used anymore is atrocious and as long as we accept it as the norm and not challenge it through objection the more it will break down..

Graciousness is the ability to think, speak and act your feelings within the bounds of dignity... yet we often don’t even think before our words come jumping out..
We have standards and moral standards that have be... (show quote)


Well said!!!

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Nov 17, 2017 08:43:57   #
debeda
 
Ox wrote:
I agree with the op' s premise. Even the common discourse has become that of the gutter. We place the filthy language and behavior of celebrities as examples for the young.


Yep. Anything goes.

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Nov 17, 2017 08:53:07   #
Kevyn
 
Vulgarity has always been part of western culture. Here is a line from Shakespeare “DROMIO: A man may break a word with you sire, and words are but wind. Ay, and break it in your face, so he break it not behind” it refers to deliberately farting in someone’s face. Centuries old and yet not much different than you would find in a modern comedy movie. Below are several instances of vulgarity in the book of genesis some of which are on the edge of pornographic. I think what you are proposing is an enforcement of prudity, washing ones mouth out with soap for using bad words sort of thing. In my opinion it is far more important that people treat others with courtesy.
GE 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness.

GE 19:4-8 A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.

GE 19:30-38 Lot's daughters have sexual intercourse with him while he is drunk; both become pregnant by their father.

GE 24:2-9, 47:29 "... put your hand under my thigh, and I will make you swear by the Lord ...." (Note: This means "put your hand under my testicles," which is the manner in which oaths were taken at the time; "testament," "testify," and "testicle" have the same root.)

GE 29:16-30 Jacob marries both Leah and her sister Rachel. He has children by both Leah and Rachel's maid Bilhah, but Rachel remains barren. Due apparently to Rachel's generosity to her husband, the Lord eventually allows Rachel to conceive.

GE 34:1-2 Shechem defiles Dinah.

GE 34:13-29 Hamor, his son, and the men of their village agree to be circumcised so as to be allowed to marry the daughters of the Israelites. On the third day, "when they were sore," the Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of the village, and plunder their wealth, taking their wives and children, thus getting revenge for the defiling of Dinah.

GE 35:22 (KJV) "Reuben went and lay with Bilhah, his fathers concubine."

GE 38:9 Onan "spills his seed" on the ground rather than fulfill his obligation to his widowed sister-in-law to father a child by her.

GE 38:13-19 Tamar plays the role of a harlot in order to have sexual intercourse with her father-in-law. She conceives and twins are born.

GE 39:7-23 The wife of Joseph's master tries to get Joseph to go to bed with her. He refuses, and flees leaving his "garment in her hand." She claims that Joseph tried to rape her, and Joseph ends up imprisoned

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Nov 17, 2017 09:38:29   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Kevyn wrote:
Vulgarity has always been part of western culture. Here is a line from Shakespeare “DROMIO: A man may break a word with you sire, and words are but wind. Ay, and break it in your face, so he break it not behind” it refers to deliberately farting in someone’s face. Centuries old and yet not much different than you would find in a modern comedy movie. Below are several instances of vulgarity in the book of genesis some of which are on the edge of pornographic. I think what you are proposing is an enforcement of prudity, washing ones mouth out with soap for using bad words sort of thing. In my opinion it is far more important that people treat others with courtesy.
GE 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness.

GE 19:4-8 A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.

GE 19:30-38 Lot's daughters have sexual intercourse with him while he is drunk; both become pregnant by their father.

GE 24:2-9, 47:29 "... put your hand under my thigh, and I will make you swear by the Lord ...." (Note: This means "put your hand under my testicles," which is the manner in which oaths were taken at the time; "testament," "testify," and "testicle" have the same root.)

GE 29:16-30 Jacob marries both Leah and her sister Rachel. He has children by both Leah and Rachel's maid Bilhah, but Rachel remains barren. Due apparently to Rachel's generosity to her husband, the Lord eventually allows Rachel to conceive.

GE 34:1-2 Shechem defiles Dinah. You left off the consequences of these acts, whereby they become cautionary. Examples of sin. Todays problem, lies in the denial of consequence, these sins are promoted as normal
Encouraged as lifestyle choice. No consideration is given to the resulting damage to society, we are all effected, infected, like a parasite, it feeds off of and alters the host.
GE 34:13-29 Hamor, his son, and the men of their village agree to be circumcised so as to be allowed to marry the daughters of the Israelites. On the third day, "when they were sore," the Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of the village, and plunder their wealth, taking their wives and children, thus getting revenge for the defiling of Dinah.

GE 35:22 (KJV) "Reuben went and lay with Bilhah, his fathers concubine."

GE 38:9 Onan "spills his seed" on the ground rather than fulfill his obligation to his widowed sister-in-law to father a child by her.

GE 38:13-19 Tamar plays the role of a harlot in order to have sexual intercourse with her father-in-law. She conceives and twins are born.

GE 39:7-23 The wife of Joseph's master tries to get Joseph to go to bed with her. He refuses, and flees leaving his "garment in her hand." She claims that Joseph tried to rape her, and Joseph ends up imprisoned
Vulgarity has always been part of western culture.... (show quote)

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