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Drums of Big War Heard in Middle East
By PETER KORZUN | 13.11.2017 | WORLD
Conclusion by Pastor Gary Boyd

Summing up the recent events in the Middle East leads to the conclusion that the threat of a Saudi-Iranian war is looking increasingly credible as tensions rise in the Middle East. There are visible signs that the region is heading into an out and out conflict, waged simultaneously in different places and involving many actors.

Told to Leave

Fears of an imminent conflict in Lebanon rose on Nov.9 as Gulf Arab states followed Saudi Arabia's lead in calling on their citizens to immediately exit Lebanon, whose former prime minister had resigned, citing an assassination plot against him as the reason. He blamed Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah for sowing strife, destruction and ruin wherever it went in the Arab world. Having flown to Saudi Arabia, he accused Tehran of being driven by a “deep hatred for the Arab nation.”

The resignation not only brought down the coalition government and plunged Lebanon into a new political crisis but also thrust the country into the frontline of regional competition between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi‘ite Iran. The minister is a Sunni in Lebanon’s sectarian system and his stepping down risks exacerbating sectarian tensions between Sunni and Shi‘ite Muslims.

Missiles Fired at Saudis

Tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran escalated with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz blaming Tehran over the ballistic missile fired at Riyadh by Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels. Saudi air defenses intercepted a ballistic missile fired November 4 from the areas under rebels’ control. The missile was destroyed near King Khalid international airport on Riyadh’s northern outskirts. Supplying rebels in Yemen with missiles was a "direct military aggression by the Iranian regime," the prince said on Nov.7. The Saudis say that retaliation will follow, while the Houthis threatened to continue attacks against Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, its closest ally.

Saudis & Israel

There have been reports about Saudi Arabia and Israel working together against Iran, including diplomatic cooperation and intelligence sharing among other things. Israeli media recently reported that a senior Saudi prince, possibly Bin Salman himself, paid a secret visit to that country. Israel is worried about the situation in the Golan Heights and Gaza Strip with pro-Iranian forces to blame for rising tensions. Israel has just conducted its biggest-ever aerial military drill, just a month after its largest-ever land military exercise - both simulating war with pro-Iranian Hezbollah.

Israel Teed Off

Commenting on the drone from Syria that was shot down over the Golan on Nov.11, Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Israel takes an extremely grave view of violations of its sovereignty and will counter “all provocations with a powerful response.”

Bahrain said an explosion which caused a fire at its main oil pipeline on Nov.10 was caused by “terrorist” sabotage, linking the unprecedented attack to its arch-foe Iran. “Terrorist acts witnessed by the country in the recent period are carried out through direct contacts and instructions from Iran,” the statement quoted Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid bin Abdullah al-Khalifa as saying.

On Nov.8, Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul-Gheit stressed that Iranian interventions in the affairs of Arab countries reflect its desire to create tension and unrest in order to exercise hegemony over other nations. He added that Iranian intervention in Arab countries is unacceptable. Aboul-Gheit also stated that Arab nations should demonstrate solidarity with Saudi Arabia in facing the serious security threats it is facing.

Support

The same day, Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi threw his support behind Egypt’s Gulf ally Saudi Arabia amid the kingdom’s mounting tensions with Iran. According to him, Iran must stop “meddling” in the Middle East and the security of Arab Gulf countries must not be threatened.

In his turn, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani says that Riyadh is interfering in Yemen and Lebanon, and its allies, US and Israel, dominate to ‘plunder oil and wealth.’ In preparation for possible hostilities Tehran has conducted a major reshuffle of its military top command.

It’s not so hard to guess whose side will the West be on. Iran has just responded to the call of French President Emmanuel Macron to hold talks on the country's ballistic missile program, firmly rejecting the idea and noting that it is solely defensive in nature. In July, the US imposed additional sanctions on Iran to punish it for ballistic missile tests, which are not covered by the Joint Comprehensive Program of Action (JCPOA). Last month, President Trump President Donald Trump formally decertified the nuclear deal with Iran under US law.

Marines Building

According to Stars and Stripes, several hundred US Marines are building a new base in western Iraq, about 20km from the strategic Anbar Province town of Al Qaim, which was captured from Islamic State recently. The US commanders are said to have taken into account possible clashes with pro-Iranian Shiite Iraqi militias, especially the PMU and other forces operating in the area. This was the first time a US military source has openly mentioned a possible hostile encounter between American military and pro-Iranian forces, such as the PMU and Hezbollah. Evidently, the move is part of US plan to prevent the creation of a Syrian-Iraqi corridor from Iran.

Trump Visit

During his visit to Saudi Arabia in May, President Trump addressed tens of Arab nations in a speech that identified Iran as the leading state sponsor of terrorism, despite the fact that Iran has never carried out an act of terrorism on American soil. There has also been much discreet shuttle diplomacy in recent months and the Saudi minister for Gulf affairs, Thamer Al Sabhan, is travelling to Washington for talks on the standoff with Iran. Last month the US president’s son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, went to Saudi Arabia for an unpublicized meeting with the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

President Trump in recent days has posted on Twitter messages of unspecified support for Saudi Arabia’s rulers, saying they “know exactly what they are doing.”

US Happy

As a major oil producer, the United States will be happy to take Iranian oil out of the market and replace it with its own exports. US shale operators and land drillers will significantly gain. The United States will soon be able to finance its trading deficit and solidify even more its position as a major oil exporter. Saudi Arabia also wants to keep the price of oil high by preventing Iran’s oil exports. The US Navy can keep the Hormuz Strait open with Iranian ships denied passage.

The very existence of potential threat will hike the price to benefit the US and the kingdom. By and large, the strategy of US administration on Iran converges with the Saudi strategy to counter Iran at any cost everywhere. The recent events demonstrate that convergence is a plan with mechanisms and instruments, distribution of roles, and assignment of responsibilities. That’s why Washington may do little if anything to stop a direct war between the two old adversaries. Is it a coincidence that all of a sudden US officials started to name the Persian Gulf the “Arabian Gulf”?


Oil Prices Up

Even with cannons silent, the oil price is going up. One can expect a big hike in case the shipping in the Hormuz Strait is threatened! About 20 percent of the world's oil supply is exported through the strait. China is a US economic and political rival. Half of its imports originate in the Persian Gulf. By siding with Saudi-led coalition the US achieves a geopolitical goal delivering a crushing blow at China to make it plunge into economic recession with ensuing political and social repercussions.

True, fear has a quick ear but facts are stubborn things. Hariri’s resignation, the missile launched from Yemen, Bahrain’s accusations, and the US military base being built in western Iraq as well as a lot of other things are taking place by and large at the same time. All actors have hidden agendas and explanations for their actions, while the region is rapidly moving to a large-scale war.

Conclusion

Could this be the Psalm 83 War scripture speaks of:
O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God. See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads. With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish.
“Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you—the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants. Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon, who perished at Endor and became like dung on the ground. Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, who said, “Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.” Make them like tumbleweed, my God, like chaff before the wind. As fire consumes the forest or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
so pursue them with your tempest and terrify them with your storm. Cover their faces with shame, Lord, so that they will seek your name. May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace. Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord—that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Lonewolf

The Best thing we can do is get the he'll out of there completely.




quote=ziggy88]Drums of Big War Heard in Middle East
By PETER KORZUN | 13.11.2017 | WORLD
Conclusion by Pastor Gary Boyd

Summing up the recent events in the Middle East leads to the conclusion that the threat of a Saudi-Iranian war is looking increasingly credible as tensions rise in the Middle East. There are visible signs that the region is heading into an out and out conflict, waged simultaneously in different places and involving many actors.

Told to Leave

Fears of an imminent conflict in Lebanon rose on Nov.9 as Gulf Arab states followed Saudi Arabia's lead in calling on their citizens to immediately exit Lebanon, whose former prime minister had resigned, citing an assassination plot against him as the reason. He blamed Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah for sowing strife, destruction and ruin wherever it went in the Arab world. Having flown to Saudi Arabia, he accused Tehran of being driven by a “deep hatred for the Arab nation.”

The resignation not only brought down the coalition government and plunged Lebanon into a new political crisis but also thrust the country into the frontline of regional competition between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi‘ite Iran. The minister is a Sunni in Lebanon’s sectarian system and his stepping down risks exacerbating sectarian tensions between Sunni and Shi‘ite Muslims.

Missiles Fired at Saudis

Tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran escalated with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz blaming Tehran over the ballistic missile fired at Riyadh by Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels. Saudi air defenses intercepted a ballistic missile fired November 4 from the areas under rebels’ control. The missile was destroyed near King Khalid international airport on Riyadh’s northern outskirts. Supplying rebels in Yemen with missiles was a "direct military aggression by the Iranian regime," the prince said on Nov.7. The Saudis say that retaliation will follow, while the Houthis threatened to continue attacks against Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, its closest ally.

Saudis & Israel

There have been reports about Saudi Arabia and Israel working together against Iran, including diplomatic cooperation and intelligence sharing among other things. Israeli media recently reported that a senior Saudi prince, possibly Bin Salman himself, paid a secret visit to that country. Israel is worried about the situation in the Golan Heights and Gaza Strip with pro-Iranian forces to blame for rising tensions. Israel has just conducted its biggest-ever aerial military drill, just a month after its largest-ever land military exercise - both simulating war with pro-Iranian Hezbollah.

Israel Teed Off

Commenting on the drone from Syria that was shot down over the Golan on Nov.11, Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Israel takes an extremely grave view of violations of its sovereignty and will counter “all provocations with a powerful response.”

Bahrain said an explosion which caused a fire at its main oil pipeline on Nov.10 was caused by “terrorist” sabotage, linking the unprecedented attack to its arch-foe Iran. “Terrorist acts witnessed by the country in the recent period are carried out through direct contacts and instructions from Iran,” the statement quoted Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid bin Abdullah al-Khalifa as saying.

On Nov.8, Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul-Gheit stressed that Iranian interventions in the affairs of Arab countries reflect its desire to create tension and unrest in order to exercise hegemony over other nations. He added that Iranian intervention in Arab countries is unacceptable. Aboul-Gheit also stated that Arab nations should demonstrate solidarity with Saudi Arabia in facing the serious security threats it is facing.

Support

The same day, Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi threw his support behind Egypt’s Gulf ally Saudi Arabia amid the kingdom’s mounting tensions with Iran. According to him, Iran must stop “meddling” in the Middle East and the security of Arab Gulf countries must not be threatened.

In his turn, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani says that Riyadh is interfering in Yemen and Lebanon, and its allies, US and Israel, dominate to ‘plunder oil and wealth.’ In preparation for possible hostilities Tehran has conducted a major reshuffle of its military top command.

It’s not so hard to guess whose side will the West be on. Iran has just responded to the call of French President Emmanuel Macron to hold talks on the country's ballistic missile program, firmly rejecting the idea and noting that it is solely defensive in nature. In July, the US imposed additional sanctions on Iran to punish it for ballistic missile tests, which are not covered by the Joint Comprehensive Program of Action (JCPOA). Last month, President Trump President Donald Trump formally decertified the nuclear deal with Iran under US law.

Marines Building

According to Stars and Stripes, several hundred US Marines are building a new base in western Iraq, about 20km from the strategic Anbar Province town of Al Qaim, which was captured from Islamic State recently. The US commanders are said to have taken into account possible clashes with pro-Iranian Shiite Iraqi militias, especially the PMU and other forces operating in the area. This was the first time a US military source has openly mentioned a possible hostile encounter between American military and pro-Iranian forces, such as the PMU and Hezbollah. Evidently, the move is part of US plan to prevent the creation of a Syrian-Iraqi corridor from Iran.

Trump Visit

During his visit to Saudi Arabia in May, President Trump addressed tens of Arab nations in a speech that identified Iran as the leading state sponsor of terrorism, despite the fact that Iran has never carried out an act of terrorism on American soil. There has also been much discreet shuttle diplomacy in recent months and the Saudi minister for Gulf affairs, Thamer Al Sabhan, is travelling to Washington for talks on the standoff with Iran. Last month the US president’s son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, went to Saudi Arabia for an unpublicized meeting with the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

President Trump in recent days has posted on Twitter messages of unspecified support for Saudi Arabia’s rulers, saying they “know exactly what they are doing.”

US Happy

As a major oil producer, the United States will be happy to take Iranian oil out of the market and replace it with its own exports. US shale operators and land drillers will significantly gain. The United States will soon be able to finance its trading deficit and solidify even more its position as a major oil exporter. Saudi Arabia also wants to keep the price of oil high by preventing Iran’s oil exports. The US Navy can keep the Hormuz Strait open with Iranian ships denied passage.

The very existence of potential threat will hike the price to benefit the US and the kingdom. By and large, the strategy of US administration on Iran converges with the Saudi strategy to counter Iran at any cost everywhere. The recent events demonstrate that convergence is a plan with mechanisms and instruments, distribution of roles, and assignment of responsibilities. That’s why Washington may do little if anything to stop a direct war between the two old adversaries. Is it a coincidence that all of a sudden US officials started to name the Persian Gulf the “Arabian Gulf”?


Oil Prices Up

Even with cannons silent, the oil price is going up. One can expect a big hike in case the shipping in the Hormuz Strait is threatened! About 20 percent of the world's oil supply is exported through the strait. China is a US economic and political rival. Half of its imports originate in the Persian Gulf. By siding with Saudi-led coalition the US achieves a geopolitical goal delivering a crushing blow at China to make it plunge into economic recession with ensuing political and social repercussions.

True, fear has a quick ear but facts are stubborn things. Hariri’s resignation, the missile launched from Yemen, Bahrain’s accusations, and the US military base being built in western Iraq as well as a lot of other things are taking place by and large at the same time. All actors have hidden agendas and explanations for their actions, while the region is rapidly moving to a large-scale war.

Conclusion

Could this be the Psalm 83 War scripture speaks of:
O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God. See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads. With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish.
“Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you—the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants. Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon, who perished at Endor and became like dung on the ground. Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, who said, “Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.” Make them like tumbleweed, my God, like chaff before the wind. As fire consumes the forest or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
so pursue them with your tempest and terrify them with your storm. Cover their faces with shame, Lord, so that they will seek your name. May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace. Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord—that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.[/quote]

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

ziggy, I don't know about Psalm 83 being true or not, but there is no doubt that war could break out. War makes strange bedfellows, but none as strange as an alliance between the Saudis and Israelis. Arab leaders have been murdered for this kind of thing. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are threatened by Iran and the terrorists they support. It would be the ultimate irony if those countries became allies against Iran.

goofball Loc: timbucktoo

Nothing new! They have been at war for over a thousand years. Maby They will end it with a BIG BANG! And get it over with!

Lonewolf

I think the Saudis are running out oil they want Iran's oil

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

With out a whole lot of 'blather' we should encourage the Muzzie 'bastards' to just kill each other.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

No business being there in the first place. Be advised, it's all about the oil. Always was, always will be.

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

So what happens when the oil runs out and in just a matter of time it will. You can thank your maker that you and I won't be around.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Depends on whether you buy into the biogenic theory of oil production or if the abiogenic theory is more in tune with your beliefs. With the biogenic approach, there is a finite amount of oil in the earth, albeit an unknown quantity at this point in time. It will, eventually, run out completely, leaving us with quite a problem. When that might happen is impossible to predict with any accuracy, giving the 'doomsayers' among us plenty of materiel to frighten us with. In an abiogenic scenario, there is a constant regeneration of oil and the supply, while limited in flow, will be unlimited in time. Abiogenic oil production has been cited as the reason old oil wells, long abandoned, were found to have regenerated in the interim.

What do I think? I couldn't care less. As you said, We'll both be long gone by the time that's an 'issue', if it ever is...

https://www.livescience.com/9404-mysterious-origin-supply-oil.html

KiraSeer2016

The Neocons and American MSM wanted, even instigated, sectarian violence in that region, so looks like now they will be getting their wish. Raised to a level never before seen. Level 7, perhaps.

You like that, Douglas? And I mean you, Douglas Feith. It's exactly what you wanted, isn't it?

Lonewolf

Now your talking we should of done it years ago




quote=pappadeux]With out a whole lot of 'blather' we should encourage the Muzzie 'bastards' to just kill each other.[/quote]

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

[/quote] Just one problem ! there are not enough 'virgins' to go around. When I was a young buck I had a problem just finding just one or two virgins much less seventy two .

Lonewolf

we need to convince them 70 is the new 30

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Maybe 'Allah' just creates them out of thin air? I dunno. Is He all-powerful like our Christian God? If He is, then problem solved, right?

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

As we all know except the 'Muzzies" There is only one "God Jehovah" The 'real' God does not reward you with a virgin much less 72 of them ... (the other Larry).