fredlott63

Satan appeals to emotion, God to intellect

For scriptural reference, let’s look in Matthew 16:13 - 17 and 21 - 23. In these verses, Jesus speaks either for or against who is motivating Peter to speak. After this lesson in three gospels, Jesus says to take up your cross and follow Him. We will do a verse by verse study. Read the verse and then the comments.
Matthew 16:13
Never listen to what people say. Our knowledge of God and Jesus is based on traditions of men and hearsay.
Verse 14
Traditions of men make the word of God have no results in your life. When God’s word is sown in your life, the quality of your life improves and you become self-sufficient. People are always wrong and rumors always leave something out.
Verse 15
We should all read the word of God and let the holy spirit speak to our hearts
Verse 16
Peter was looking for Jesus before they met, because of old testament writings. He heard God call Jesus His son. He saw the miracles and heard the teachings. He is the only person besides Jesus to walk on water. The only conclusion he could reach is Jesus is the son of God.
Verse 17
God appeals to intellect. We will see how satan appeals to emotion.
Verse 20
Jesus is telling His disciples what will happen in the future. If you read Deuteronomy 18:21 & 22, it tells you how to know if a prophet is sent from God. If he tells you something is going to happen it happens. If it doesn’t, that is a sign God didn’t send him’
Verse 21
Peter loves Jesus. He wants everyone to know Jesus like he knows Jesus. He doesn’t want to see Jesus rejected.
Verse 23
Jesus says nothing to Peter, even though the words are coming out of his month. The motivation for the words come from satan. He will twist scripture and use the bible to destroy and point fingers.
God appeals to intellect, satan appeals to emotion. That is why we should think before we speak or act. Once we say or do something, it can’t be undone or unsaid.

PeterS

If god appeals to intellect why do fundamentalists reject evolution?

fredlott63

Because it's a lie. A frog will never become a bird. One species will never become another.

PeterS

And you know that how Fred? You can't simply reject something because it invalidates your beliefs. Perhaps it's where your beliefs that the problem lies and not in the item itself...

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Show me proof where one species became another. It seems to me that you put too much faith in your religion Pete.

PeterS

How can one put too much faith in one's religion MW--are you telling me you don't have complete faith in yours? As I've said before--give me a rational proof of god and I will believe. Do you have one. I for one would like to know why god created a universe instead of just a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god since, according to creationism, that's all that's needed for life to exist. As for a proof of speciation here is the link: https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation, enjoy...

Oh, and I have to ask, if you really wanted to know about Speciation all you had to do was google it and you would find tons of it. I take it you never bothered--such is faith. eh.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Nice deflection Pete...show me proof where one species became another such as a fish becoming a dog. Plants into other plants is nothing other than "of their kind." Do you know what that means?

PeterS

I thought I did. Where was the deflection?

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Of course you still haven't answered the question Pete...Will you please show me proof where one species became another such as a fish becoming a dog? Plants into other plants is nothing other than "of their kind." Do you know what that means?

PeterS

MW, if you want proof all you have to do is read and extrapolate.

Biogeography

The geographic distribution of organisms on Earth follows patterns that are best explained by evolution, in combination with the movement of tectonic plates over geological time. For example, broad groupings of organisms that had already evolved before the breakup of the supercontinent Pangaea (about 200200200 million years ago) tend to be distributed worldwide. In contrast, broad groupings that evolved after the breakup tend to appear uniquely in smaller regions of Earth. For instance, there are unique groups of plants and animals on northern and southern continents that can be traced to the split of Pangaea into two supercontinents (Laurasia in the north, Gondwana in the south).

The evolution of unique species on islands is another example of how evolution and geography intersect. For instance, most of the mammal species in Australia are marsupials (carry young in a pouch), while most mammal species elsewhere in the world are placental (nourish young through a placenta). Australia’s marsupial species are very diverse and fill a wide range of ecological roles. Because Australia was isolated by water for millions of years, these species were able to evolve without competition from (or exchange with) mammal species elsewhere in the world.

The marsupials of Australia, Darwin's finches in the Galápagos, and many species on the Hawaiian Islands are unique to their island settings, but have distant relationships to ancestral species on mainlands. This combination of features reflects the processes by which island species evolve. They often arise from mainland ancestors – for example, when a landmass breaks off or a few individuals are blown off course during a storm – and diverge (become increasingly different) as they adapt in isolation to the island environment.

Fossil record

Fossils are the preserved remains of previously living organisms or their traces, dating from the distant past. The fossil record is not, alas, complete or unbroken: most organisms never fossilize, and even the organisms that do fossilize are rarely found by humans. Nonetheless, the fossils that humans have collected offer unique insights into evolution over long timescales.

How can the age of fossils be determined? First, fossils are often contained in rocks that build up in layers called strata. The strata provide a sort of timeline, with layers near the top being newer and layers near the bottom being older. Fossils found in different strata at the same site can be ordered by their positions, and "reference" strata with unique features can be used to compare the ages of fossils across locations. In addition, scientists can roughly date fossils using radiometric dating, a process that measures the radioactive decay of certain elements.

Fossils document the existence of now-extinct species, showing that different organisms have lived on Earth during different periods of the planet's history. They can also help scientists reconstruct the evolutionary histories of present-day species. For instance, some of the best-studied fossils are of the horse lineage. Using these fossils, scientists have been able to reconstruct a large, branching "family tree" for horses and their now-extinct relatives

Changes in the lineage leading to modern-day horses, such as the reduction of toed feet to hooves, may reflect adaptation to changes in the environment.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution

Just google MW, there are litterally tens of thousands of articles...

PeterS

And neither you nor Fred answered the question: if god equals reason why do fundamentalists reject evolution.

You will sit there and accept on faith that god created life when there is zero evidence that he did. At the same time you reject evolution when logically life evolving naturally fits...

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Concerning evolution Pete...

THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS
FIRST LAW (Law of conservation of mass and energy): The total amount of matter and energy in the universe (a closed system) is constant. Matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed; each can be converted to the other.

“This law is considered the most powerful and most fundamental generalization about the universe that scientists have ever been able to make.” Isaac Asimov

The ramifications of the first law are enormous. We have what was made. Nothing more. Nothing less. We can’t make more. We can’t make what is here go away.

SECOND LAW: The contents of the universe are becoming less ordered and more random.

The First Law says that energy can’t be destroyed; but the Second Law says that it is degrading. Carried to a logical conclusion, this means that the universe is wearing out.

BECOMING LESS ORDERLY
The laws of thermodynamics tell us that the universe is becoming less orderly. Two questions emerge:

1) Where did the original order come from? Many, including me, say God!
2) How can evolution be true since it requires things to become more orderly?

And you still haven't presented proof of something of its own kind evolving into something that is NOT of its kind. I'll repeat, do you know what "of its kind" means?