The Question Is ? "Why should we Catholics, re-invent the Mouse-Trap” ?
I strongly urge you, to read, all articles, and go to all the URL sites.
You may even learn a thing or two. . . . I doubt it though with some skepticism. Their could be hope, I Pray, and pray to Our Lord for some spark of life of discernment, instead of this Anti-Catholic hatred and bigotry.
If you don’t read the Articles, Then I will “hammer” you with the facts of the article’s and the URL site’s against your anti-Catholic disbelief. . . .
As you Protestant’s and Independents Bible thinkers, you equivocate, your anti-Catholic sentiments, here on the Christian OPP forum thread and elsewhere.
Clearly you have a . . . Independent Church and personal, . . . "Ax To Grind,” . . . here, on this OPP post thread.
Your against all Catholics and or, any other Christian Church or denomination that is contrarian, to your Biblical orthodoxy theology belief system.
That’s very unfortunately, which has seriously hampered any Christian laity and scholarly efforts to understand Christian “Ecumenism.”
1. Ecumenism:
a. “Separated Brethren” Term Before Vatican II (1962-1965) [3-25-13]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/10/separated-brethren-term-before-vatican-ii-1962-1965.html b. On Whether Vatican II Taught “Novelties” Concerning Religious Liberty and Ecumenism [Facebook, 2-10-17]
https://www.facebook.com/dave.armstrong.798/posts/1459789207389393?__fns&hash=Ac2Eyd56kirruhiA c. Random Thoughts on Conversion, Development of Doctrine, Ecumenism, Etc. [5-13-03]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150909080340/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/03/random-thoughts-on-conversion.html So you mwdegutis, You All have “The Log in the eye disease.” Religious biasses’s have a way of doing, just that.
2. Catholic Magisterium Teaching Infallibility:
a. Jesus’ Self-Knowledge & the Catholic Magisterium Teaching Infallibility (w J. Akin)
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/03/jesus-self-knowledge-the-magisterium-w-j-akin.htmlSo you want to fight “Fire with Fire,” So Be IT. Hell Hath No Fury, Than A Roman Catholic Scorned. . . . It will be done with Catholic Apologists.
So why, re-invent the perfect “Protestant Evangelical Independent," Mouse-Trap” ?
Why ? The Catholic retort, It’s already been done for me. . . .
By countless Biblical theologians, Christian writers, Pope’s, Bishops, Cardinals, Priest’s Deacons, and lay Catholic Christians.
That’s why ?
10/21/2017 Article: The Protestantism Authors, Contains Many Serious Errors and Omissions. Roman but Not Catholic: What Remains at Stake 500 Years after the Reformation: By Kenneth J. Collins
Which Contains Many Serious Errors and Omissions: Roman but Not Catholic: What Remains at Stake “500-Years” after the Reformation:
David G. Armstrong
a.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/odd-trio-jerry-walls-ken-collins-anti-catholic-john-bugay.html b.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3A16U8YTSOZUQ/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl? 3. Development of Catholic Doctrine: Full disclosure: I'm a Catholic.
a. Development of Catholic Doctrine
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2006/11/development-of-doctrine-index-page-for-dave-armstrong.htmlb. Baptism: Baptism: Apostolic Teaching & Doctrinal Development [3-8-06]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/03/baptism-apostolic-teaching-doctrinal-development.html I'd like to start with a few words of commendation.
It's nice and refreshing to see such a book from authors who are not anti-Catholics (i.e., deny that Catholicism as a system of theology and beliefs is Christian).
Also, the authors, by and large, present Catholic doctrine accurately, and for the most part, they don't fight “Straw-Men” fallacy arguments.
But they also ignore many pro-Catholic arguments that -- if they had been interacted with -- would have made the book a lot more effective and "comprehensive" than it is.
4. Protestantism the Protestant Reformations the factual errors are legion:
a. William Webster’s Misunderstanding of Development of Doctrine [2000] With particular reference to the papacy, Vatican I, Pope Leo XIII, St. Vincent of Lerins, and Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/06/william-websters-misunderstanding-development-doctrine.html b. Is Development of Doctrine an Exclusively Catholic Concept? [10-17-02]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607062613/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2004/02/is-development-of-doctrine-exclusively.html c. Refutation of Protestant Polemicist William Webster’s Critique of Catholic Tradition and Newmanian Development of Doctrine (vs. William Webster) [4-10-03]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150608093040/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/08/refutation-of-protestant-polemicist.html d. Response to Rev. Michael Pahls on “Theological Humility” and the Protestant “Non-Quest” Regarding Christian Certainty (vs. Rev. Michael Pahls) [3-15-06]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150606234526/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/03/response-to-rev-michael-pahls-on.html In ch. 16, taking on Cardinal Newman, it's claimed (with a straight face: I kid you not!) -- following a 19th c. argument by Newman's brother-in-law and fellow Tractarian, J. B. Mozley (as discussed by Jerry Walls elsewhere).
http://www.newmanreader.org 5. Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman:
a. The Philosophical Premises of Newman’s Views on Doctrinal Development and Religious Belief [12-4-02]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607235655/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/philosophical-premises-of-newmans.html b. John Henry Cardinal Newman’s Importance and Influence [5-22-03]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150612015454/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/john-henry-cardinal-newmans-importance.html c. Was Cardinal Newman a Modernist?: Pope St. Pius X vs. Anti-Catholic Polemicist David T. King (Development, not Evolution of Doctrine) [1-20-04]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/04/was-cardinal-newman-a-modernist.html d. Armstrong vs. Collins & Walls #1: Newman’s Mariology [10-17-17]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/armstrong-vs-collins-walls-1-newmans-mariology.html That Newman would apply the following titles to Mary: “having an ineffable origin before all worlds,” “the Object of worship, the Image of the Father,” “God of the Evangelical Covenant,” and “Creator of the Universe.”
6. Mary: The Blessed Virgin:
a. Cardinal Newman, Apologist of Our Lady
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Mariology/Mariology_039.htm b. Dialogue on Whether the Assumption and Immaculate Conception of Mary are Legitimately Part of Apostolic Tradition (vs. James White) [June 1996]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607050051/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2004/02/dialogue-on-whether-assumption-and.html c. ”Whitewashing History": Critique of James White's Book, "Mary -- Another Redeemer?” [2-12-04]
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607045251/http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2004/02/whitewashing-history-critique-of-james.html d. “Live Chat” Debate: Mariology of the Church Fathers (vs. James White) [12-29-00]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/12/live-chat-debate-on-mary-vs-james-white.htmle. Armstrong vs. Collins & Walls #1: Newman’s Mariology [10-17-17]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/armstrong-vs-collins-walls-1-newmans-mariology.html f. ’The Catholic Mary’: Quite Contrary to the Bible?” [10-18-2010]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2010/10/books-by-dave-armstrong-catholic-mary.html g. Mariology Index (47): Father John A. Hardon, S.J. Archives
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Mariology.htm h. Marian Catechist Index (11) Father John A. Hardon, S.J. Archives
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Marian_Catechist.htm Zemirah wrote:
You Sir, have clearly lost your way.
Being a Christian by following the guidance the Bible provides is the only "religious affiliation that Jesus requires.
As an "independent" Christian, I enjoy the freedom all Christians are ordered to maintain.
Galatians 5:1 "Christ has truly made us free: therefore stand fast in your free condition and let no man put a yoke on you again."
Together, the independent and nondenominational churches of the U.S. constitute the third-largest cluster of religious adherents in the country and the second-largest cluster of churches. In 2014, an estimated 6 percent (6%) of the U.S. population, over 46,000 churches representing more than 18,300,000 (eighteen million, three hundred thousand +) adherents, worshiped in an independent or nondenominational church.
You have no authority to question my own, or anyone's "religious affiliation."
As an adult, mature Christian in God's Word, I am sorry to say that you, Sir, are a babe in arms.
In the Bible, the evidence points to each church as self-governing and answerable directly to God Himself. In the book of Acts, where we read of the first missionary journeys and the establishment of many churches, there is no indication of a hierarchy of authority beyond the local elders of the church.
The countless Roman Catholic doctrines that are in direct opposition to the Bible, especially their denial of the doctrine of Justification by faith alone in Christ alone, throughout the New Testament," prove the Roman Catholic church to be a false religious system.
Not only is their doctrine heretical, their practice is an abomination. In Latin America, and throughout the world, the gross idolatry, church sponsored fiestas where all the people get wasted, syncretism with the pagan local religions and the horrendous hypocrisy bring out the true colors of Rome and it's false anti-christian religion.
AD
607 Boniface III made the first Pope
709 Kissing the Pope’s foot
786 Worshiping images and relics breaking the 2nd commandment
850 Use of “holy water” begun
995 Canonization of dead saints
998 Fasting on Fridays and during Lent
1079 Celibacy of the priesthood Marriage of the priests outlawed
1090 Prayer beads
1184 The Inquisition
1190 Sale of Indulgences
1215 Transubstantiation required belief that priests invisibly convert the Eucharistic bread's elements literally into that of Christ’s body and blood.
1220 Adoration of the wafer Host the worshiping of a piece of bread that one must believe is the Lord Jesus Christ.
1229 Reading of the Bible forbidden to "laymen" who are the saints of God
1414 Cup forbidden to people at communion
1439 Doctrine of purgatory decreed
1508 The Ave Maria approved
1534 Jesuit Order founded
1545 Tradition granted equal authority with the Bible
1562 Changed the 10 commandments (Exodus 20) by removing the 2nd commandment, which is, “do not make for yourself graven images”, and splitting the 10th into two to keep 10 commandments.
1854 Immaculate Conception of Mary
1864 Syllabus of Errors proclaimed
1870 INFALLIBILITY OF THE POPE DECLARED
1950 Assumption of the Virgin Mary the belief that the Virgin Mary ascended bodily into heaven without dying
1965 Mary proclaimed “Mother of the Church” Since the above, changes and additions have been made as sustained by history.
Revelation 22: 18-19:
18 "For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
The Bible does not change. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8.
Nevertheless, throughout history, the Roman Catholic Church and its doctrines have continued to change and can be expected to continue to change, according to the whim of the current pope in any month or year.
To one who argues on behave of a church both apostate and heretical, there is indeed nothing more to say.
You Sir, have clearly lost your way. br br Being ... (
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