Theophilus

I'd like to get some feedback here. If you were going to go off the grid and live in the wilderness, what essential survival tools would you need? I'm not talking about comfort items. Just the bare essentials for survival. What items are a must have?

My list.

A good knife
A hatchet
some way to get or make clean safe drinking water
A gun or bow for hunting
Copper wire for snares
Warm clothes and shelter.

Ve'hoe

Depends HIGHLY on where you intend to go. Lots of planning and prepositioned supplies are a must,,,, you cannot just "bug out" to say,,, the Rockies or the airzona desert,,,,,

Get a water filter from Sportsmans guide or something with a ceramic filter,,,,,,,two 5 gallon buckets,,, for water filtering,,,

A 22 rifle for eating lots of ammo,,,,, Stainless wire,,, not copper.. I actually like "spider wire fishing line" many more uses

Do not bring a cell phone,,,, they can find you with it...even if you dont call

Theophilus

Actually, if there are no cellphone towers in range, they can't find you. I would bring my cellphone, and a solar charger. It's a great way to store important info about survival and other things, like maps, almanacs, survival guides...etc. Plus I have some really good games on it. I can rough it, but there ARE limits.

Ve'hoe

Actually,,, from my time with DoD Intelligence,,,, they can track you, even if you dont talk or turn it on,,,,, dont bring it.......

Theophilus

How about a tablet? Can they track those too? And isn't there a way to turn something off so they can't track you? Location services or GPS, or whatever. Failing that, is there a way to physically disable it?

Ve'hoe

From my experience with US intel targeting and bombing, against ISIS/Al Queda,,,, the only way I would have any phone or anything that gets on the internet,,, is if I was going to tie it to a tree in a kill zone,,,, and hit "send",,,,,, that way you can shoot who comes after you,,,,,,,

I know quite a few dead ISIS/Al Queda who wish they had left it home. I wont have one, if I want to disappear

Theophilus

What about encrypted VPN? Can the government track that? From what I've read, it extremely difficult. One VPN actually uses multiple random servers that do not 'remember' the previous server it's connected to.

Ve'hoe

If it transmits,,,,, they can track it,,,,,,,, like I said,, I was in the business,,,, and I wont have one if I want to disappear....

But it also depends on "why" they would want to bother with you in the first place,,,, without a reason,, there isnt much military use in tracking and fixing some guy who runs up in the mountains...... up to you,,,,

Theophilus

Is there a way to prevent it from transmitting?

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

You'l Notice Bug-Out People Stock A Location Before They Go
One Doesn't Just Pack A Knapsack And Hit The Wilderness

These Were Requirements From People That Knew What They Were Doing:

1 Conestoga Wagon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conestoga_wagon
Could Carry 6 Tons Of Supplies

Summary Of Basics To Oregon Or California
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/supply-list-traveling-oregon-trail-101684.html

Klondike Prospectors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilkoot_Trail
As it became apparent that many of the prospectors who chose the Chilkoot simply were not going to survive the arduous terrain and harsh weather, Canada's North-West Mounted Police (now the Royal Canadian Mounted Police) declared that prospectors could only enter Canada if they had at least one ton of gear (enough to supply a prospector for one year.)

Klondike supply list:
The list shows a suggestion of equipment needed for prospectors before they were allowed entry into Canada at the summit of the Chilkoot Pass, 1897-1899. Total weight: 1 ton.[9] (See also: Klondike era)

150 lb. bacon
400 lb. flour
25 lb. rolled oats
125 lb. beans
10 lb. tea
10 lb. coffee
25 lb. sugar
25 lb. dried potatoes
2 lb. dried onions
15 lb. salt
1 lb. pepper
75 lb. dried fruits
8 lb. baking powder
2 lb. soda
½ lb. evaporated vinegar
12 oz. compressed soup
1 can mustard
1 tin matches (for four men)
Stove for four men
Gold pan for each
Set granite buckets
Large bucket
Knife, fork, spoon, cup, and plate
Frying pan
Coffee and teapot
Scythe stone
Two picks and one shovel
One whipsaw
Pack strap
Two axes for four men and one extra handle
Six 8-inch (200 mm) files and two taper files for the party
Draw knife, brace and bits, jack plane, and hammer for party
200 feet three-eights-inch rope
8 lb. of pitch and 5 lb (2.3 kg). of oakum for four men
Nails, five lbs. each of 6,8,10 and 12 penny, for four men
Tent, 10 by 12 feet (3.0 m × 3.7 m) for four men
Canvas for wrapping
Two oil blankets to each boat
5 yards of mosquito netting for each man
3 suits of heavy underwear
1 heavy mackinaw coat
2 pairs heavy machinaw trousers
1 heavy rubber-lined coat
1 doz heavy wool socks
½ doz heavy wool mittens
2 heavy overshirts
2 pairs heavy snagproof rubber boots
2 pairs shoes
4 pairs blankets (for two men)
4 towels
2 pairs overalls
1 suit oil clothing
Several changes of summer clothing
Small assortment of medicines

Theophilus

Uhh...I was thinking more along the lines of survival tools that will allow you to survive, and could easily carry with you. Personally, I believe that if a person has adequate survival skills, they can survive with nothing but a good knife.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

They Will Hypo/Hyper-thermiate, Starve And Die

Ve'hoe

if it is an I phone or a new Android,,, no,,,,, if its an old flip phone it can be turned off....... and doesnt communicate with the satellite...

GPS does 3 things, Positioning, navigation, and timing... it is the timing communication that gets you the other stuff is just mathematics of your position.

Theophilus

WHat if your phone does not have a data plan?

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

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