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God's idea of justice: Restorative, not retributive
Sep 14, 2017 20:45:06   #
numenian
 
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is withholding judgment on people and nations until Judgement Day. No punishing hurricanes or twisters or traffic jams. There will be a reckoning but that day is in the future. Redeem, restore, and revitalize is the message of Christ. As a Christian, that is our one and only sacred duty. No condemnation. We are with arms open to all. No exceptions. That is our sole work as employees of The Kingdom: to help the least of these however possible. God's job is judgment. Judgment is not in our job description except where it plainly states not to. An error in love is no error.

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Sep 14, 2017 21:02:55   #
Steve700
 
numenian wrote:
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is withholding judgment on people and nations until Judgement Day. No punishing hurricanes or twisters or traffic jams. There will be a reckoning but that day is in the future. Redeem, restore, and revitalize is the message of Christ. As a Christian, that is our one and only sacred duty. No condemnation. We are with arms open to all. No exceptions. That is our sole work as employees of The Kingdom: to help the least of these however possible. God's job is judgment. Judgment is not in our job description except where it plainly states not to. An error in love is no error.
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is wit... (show quote)

Good thoughts, but I do find one problem in it. You say no condemnation, but that, except for the condemnation of conservatives, that reminds me a little of the liberal/Marxist/communist propaganda that we all have to love each other. While I will go along with that, we cannot leave out the other component which is that we must recognize evil, call it what it is and stand up against it. That means to go ahead and judge in righteousness, meaning with verbal condemnation, not with punishment but with the part of judgment that is the discernment aspect. The Bible and Jesus did not say to not judge, but to take the log out of your own. eye 1st and then judge in righteousness.

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Sep 14, 2017 21:35:11   #
numenian
 
Steve700 wrote:
Good thoughts, but I do find one problem in it. You say no condemnation, but that, except for the condemnation of conservatives, that reminds me a little of the liberal/Marxist/communist propaganda that we all have to love each other. While I will go along with that, we cannot leave out the other component which is that we must recognize evil, call it what it is and stand up against it. That means to go ahead and judge in righteousness, meaning with verbal condemnation, not with punishment but with the part of judgment that is the discernment aspect. The Bible and Jesus did not say to not judge, but to take the log out of your own. eye 1st and then judge in righteousness.
Good thoughts, but I do find one problem in it. Yo... (show quote)


The usual argument. We like the control. Taking Jesus command to love ourselves, neighbors, and enemies alike and making it a "liberal/Marxist/communist propaganda" is interesting. The Gospels as Leftist Insurgency Prattle. Okay. But you said you "go along with that": curious.

We are all sinners, yes? How do we take the log out of our own eye? Not possible, and Jesus' point. The Bible says very clearly "not to judge." No matter what anyone does, we are capable of the same. Through spirit, we are allowed to see what might be inflicting a brother or sister from living righteously. With all gentleness, kindness, and goodness we approach that person. We do not sue them at SCOTUS. For all non-believers we are commanded--commanded--to "turn the other cheek." They have not the eyes to see or the hears to ear. What good is railing against them?

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Sep 14, 2017 23:04:00   #
Steve700
 
numenian wrote:
The usual argument. We like the control. Taking Jesus command to love ourselves, neighbors, and enemies alike and making it a "liberal/Marxist/communist propaganda" is interesting. The Gospels as Leftist Insurgency Prattle. Okay. But you said you "go along with that": curious.

We are all sinners, yes? How do we take the log out of our own eye? Not possible, and Jesus' point. The Bible says very clearly "not to judge." No matter what anyone does, we are capable of the same. Through spirit, we are allowed to see what might be inflicting a brother or sister from living righteously. With all gentleness, kindness, and goodness we approach that person. We do not sue them at SCOTUS. For all non-believers we are commanded--commanded--to "turn the other cheek." They have not the eyes to see or the hears to ear. What good is railing against them?
The usual argument. We like the control. Taking Je... (show quote)

Turning the other cheek means not being revengeful.It does Not mean allowing yourself to be their door mat. Show me where Jesus said to not judge. I'm telling you he said to judge righteously. (Take the log out of your own eye 1st) Jesus set the example when he called certain people, vipers, sons of their father the devil and liken them to dead men's bones. Yes they have neither the eyes to see, nor the ears to hear, but yet as Christians we must try to get through to them using your methods as well as telling them the truth and not being afraid of Speaking out or of what they might think. We must not be caving in to their immoral fake Self-delusionaland self-promotional nobility and caring . Today's wishy-washy 'God loves you no matter what' perverted gospel Christians are also responsible for the damage done by the Left. Obviously you are of the church of the distorted and perverted gospel of God loves you and you are a child of God no matter what you do. Well I am here to tell you No He doesn't and no you aren't. Your kind of weakness that the liberals correctly see as such, is not the Christian love you think it is. The trouble with liberals is that they never got any tough love, but rather were granted lots of unearned self esteem rather than getting the discipline that comes with being taught self-control.

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Sep 15, 2017 00:43:51   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
numenian wrote:
The Bible says very clearly "not to judge."
That's A Favorite (Self-Serving) Way To Twist It

Not To Judge At All, Turns More Than Blind Eye
...It Grants Licence

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Sep 15, 2017 06:05:02   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
numenian wrote:
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is withholding judgment on people and nations until Judgement Day. No punishing hurricanes or twisters or traffic jams. There will be a reckoning but that day is in the future. Redeem, restore, and revitalize is the message of Christ. As a Christian, that is our one and only sacred duty. No condemnation. We are with arms open to all. No exceptions. That is our sole work as employees of The Kingdom: to help the least of these however possible. God's job is judgment. Judgment is not in our job description except where it plainly states not to. An error in love is no error.
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is wit... (show quote)


Rom 13:4 For the one in authority is God's servant for your good.But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. Translation, God expects your leader to be Godly and execute justice on your's and His behalf. That's why you don't elect sicko's like Carter, Clinton and Obama.

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Sep 15, 2017 11:30:46   #
Kazudy
 
numenian wrote:
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is withholding judgment on people and nations until Judgement Day. No punishing hurricanes or twisters or traffic jams. There will be a reckoning but that day is in the future. Redeem, restore, and revitalize is the message of Christ. As a Christian, that is our one and only sacred duty. No condemnation. We are with arms open to all. No exceptions. That is our sole work as employees of The Kingdom: to help the least of these however possible. God's job is judgment. Judgment is not in our job description except where it plainly states not to. An error in love is no error.
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is wit... (show quote)


It will be like labor pains. The end is near, come Lord Jesus, come.

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Sep 16, 2017 21:41:29   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
numenian wrote:
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is withholding judgment on people and nations until Judgement Day. No punishing hurricanes or twisters or traffic jams. There will be a reckoning but that day is in the future. Redeem, restore, and revitalize is the message of Christ. As a Christian, that is our one and only sacred duty. No condemnation. We are with arms open to all. No exceptions. That is our sole work as employees of The Kingdom: to help the least of these however possible. God's job is judgment. Judgment is not in our job description except where it plainly states not to. An error in love is no error.
It is, to me, clear in the Gospels that God is wit... (show quote)


You truly need to get a life outside of OPP!!! Or at least some new topics!!!!!!!!!😡 This would be a wonderful message if you weren't such a fake. Did you forget that you admitted to Auntie that this is one of the characters that you had created, along with several others!

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Sep 17, 2017 10:17:42   #
Kazudy
 
karpenter wrote:
That's A Favorite (Self-Serving) Way To Twist It

Not To Judge At All, Turns More Than Blind Eye
...It Grants Licence


And slightly out of contex. Jesus speaking to the men that wanted to stone the prostitute. He was telling them, in a different way, if you are her customers cast the first stone. Don't judge drunks, if you on a bar, don't judge gamblers if you're a bookie.ect.ect.

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Sep 17, 2017 11:21:47   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
numenian wrote:
The usual argument. We like the control. Taking Jesus command to love ourselves, neighbors, and enemies alike and making it a "liberal/Marxist/communist propaganda" is interesting. The Gospels as Leftist Insurgency Prattle. Okay. But you said you "go along with that": curious.

We are all sinners, yes? How do we take the log out of our own eye? Not possible, and Jesus' point. The Bible says very clearly "not to judge." No matter what anyone does, we are capable of the same. Through spirit, we are allowed to see what might be inflicting a brother or sister from living righteously. With all gentleness, kindness, and goodness we approach that person. We do not sue them at SCOTUS. For all non-believers we are commanded--commanded--to "turn the other cheek." They have not the eyes to see or the hears to ear. What good is railing against them?
The usual argument. We like the control. Taking Je... (show quote)


It's apparent that the Quaker's had a huge influence on you when you came home in '68. Jesus was not a pacifist nor did he teach us to be! John 2:15 Jesus made a whip and drove out the crooks! He did not do this with gentleness or kindness! We are to help our fellow man up to a point! If they refuse to change their destructive behavior, we are to walk away and not be a part of it. If all Americans were pacifist, there would be no America left standing.

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