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Aug 7, 2017 21:01:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
From VVA Veteran's Magazine

By Larry Harris

It used to be called battle fatigue, or shell shock. The old guys from WWII or Korea didn't talk about it much, or even acknowledge its existence. But I heard an uncle and a friend's father scream out in their sleep. One of them talked about Japs in the caves. That's not normal sleep.

I first heard about delayed stress syndrome. But, I thought all young men were angry, aggressive, moody, depressed, abused substances, and were hyper-vigilant. Now this condition is called post-traumatic stress disorder. When I came back from Vietnam, PTSD wasn't dealt with. We were just sent home without even an "At'ta boy" or "have a nice life." Nor did we expect any help or support. Vietnam was surreal and ambiguous. That just continued. "Strap it on" was the mentality.

To my surprise, I walked off the battle field. Then, I didn't expect to make thirty. What I didn't count on was being in my sixties and having to deal with all this stuff. The table have turned. Now, I am the one who needs help.

It's hard to deal with. I don't mind being called old: I'm glad to have made it this far. Sometimes, however, I wonder if the ship carrying my dreams has sailed out of sight. Nature runs its course and the aging process becomes undeniable. So how do I deal with that and the effects and problems of PTSD? I'm not sure, but I won't just lie down and let it inexorably wash over me.

For forty years, I avoided the VA. I managed my health care and coped with PTSD the best I could. Four years ago I started getting flyers about getting examined and tested for diseases and conditions related to Agent Orange. I'd been exposed. I remember walking through tree-lines desolate as the dark side of the moon. Charlie could see us, but they couldn't hide there anymore.

I was lucky: A small Indian or Pakistani doctor informed me I didn't have diabetes, Parkinson's, skin disorders, liver or kidney problems, or anything on the laundry list of possible diseases. Great, I thought. Then he rocked my world: "Mr. Harris," he said, "you have anger issues."

"You're goddamn right I do," I snapped. "I've been here for over two hours. It was supposed to take thirty minutes." My inner voice said, "Same old military and VA bullshit. No wonder it took me forty years to show up."

Then he said, "You go Mental Health."

"What?" I crowed. "You're not an American or a Vet!" I stormed out like an irate shopper on Black Friday.

But, I stopped at the reception desk on the way out. The nice young woman there told me there was a PTSD screening at Mental Health that day. "What the hell," I said, "I've been here a long time already, maybe I'll go check it out."

I did check it out. The testing room was very crowded. After you finished the screening, it was evaluated and a shrink took you to an interview room. They never called my name. I finally asked some lifer-looking jerk about it. He said, "We're swamped today. Someone will be in touch with you." Right: Same old Army BS. I had an anger issue again.

In about two weeks, I got a letter to come in and talk to a psychiatrist. I went. She was professional and nice. I told the truth just like I had on the screening. To conclude our session she said, "I recommend you apply for a PTSD disability." I thanked her and left. My head was spinning. Am I crazy or some kind of social deviant? Maybe I'm just a sissy.

Long story short, I saw a psychologist at the VA. She prescribed something to help me sleep. That was the greatest thing ever. For years I had gone to work with too little sleep. It was a Catch-22 situation. I needed sleep but was afraid if I went to sleep I' have those nightmares.

To receive help, you have to admit you have PTSD. The extremely difficult, like fifth grade is to a non-English speaker. Once I started to get some sleep, things improved. My depression lessened (yeah, I always thought that was BS, too). I was in the system and began getting my medical treatment and prescription through the VA.

Then I applied for disability. I met a wonderful readjustment counselor at the Vet Center who helped me with the process. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and revisit some things that were painful. But I "strapped it on" and got disability for PTSD. They turned down my hearing disability claim but gave me a $5,000 pair of hearing aids. Too bad all this stuff wasn't retro-active.

When look back over the years, I recognize many instances when PTSD affected my life. When I first got back the The World, I went to a party. Someone dropped a quart of beer that smashed on the tile floor. I dove behind the couch. Kind of embarrassing.

One time I stopped at Burger King on the way to work. It wa all Asians behind the counter. I couldn't deal with it and walked out. Then it happened another time at Wal-Mart.

Many Vets have road rage and are often faced with the fight-or-flight response. An idiot at Home Depot wanted to fight me because he said I looked at him. I wouldn't back down. Fortunately, someone stepped between us.

We Vets think nobody does their jobs anymore and that no one understand our condition. They also don't care. Okay, I've dealt with disrespect since they called us baby killers. Do so many people have be be rude?

I can go to a movie or restaurant and not be as anxious as in the past. But it is kind of humorous when my ROMEO group (Retired Old Men Eating Out) goes out for breakfast. Everyone wants to see the way in and out, sit against a wall, or sit at the end of the table. It took us a couple of months to realize we just don't want to feel vulnerable or lose our independence.

I was able to teach Vietnamese students without much trouble. They were either well-behaved good students or incorrigible. Not much middle round. Both groups are easy to deal with. I will help you succeed, or you can leave if your phone, dress or attitude is more important than your education.

You're never cured of PTSD. It's not like beating cancer. But you can learn to deal with it effectively and mitigate some of the symptoms, including sleeplessness, anger, depression, avoidance, isolation, substance abuse, anxiety, inability to keep a job or stay married, a startle response and hyper-vigilance. It is a daunting list, but if you learn your triggers, you can manage things better.

Many Vets self-medicate, become workaholics, or ride Harleys. You don't have to have been in combat to have PTSD. If everyone in a horrific accident dies except you, that could start the condition. Survivor guilt is a common PTSD issue. Your spouse or children can suffer from secondary PTSD.

You need to have a support system and the help and understanding of those close to you. Music, a smell, or a sound can trigger an episode, but you can get through it. PTSD symptoms don't lessen with age. In fact, they can intensify with retirement, because you have too much time on your hands. I was fortunate because I had a good counselor at the Vet Center.

Just knowing you're not the only crusty old guy with these issues helps. "Misery loves company," an old cliche' says. But you certainly don't want a support group that just tells war stories and gets into pissing contests.

It feels good to finally be respected. I like it when someone says, "Thank you for your service." A few years ago I wouldn't wear a Vet cap, put a bumper sticker on my car, or watch a war movie. I don't feel that I have made an unsung agreement with political correctness, and I still believe civility is important. I'm lucky to have the support and understanding of my friend at the Sun River Creative Writing Group. If you are angry or feel strongly about something, write about it. You'll feel better.

So if I'm ever on a commuter train and six young people don't let me sit down, bury their heads in their electronic devices, and try to beat me out the door, I'll just smile. They're stupid and don't know they would be living under the yoke of communism if it wasn't for me. Then I'll get off and go to Wal-Mart.

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Aug 7, 2017 21:52:27   #
Carol Kelly
 
slatten49 wrote:
From VVA Veteran's Magazine

By Larry Harris

It used to be called battle fatigue, or shell shock. The old guys from WWII or Korea didn't talk about it much, or even acknowledge its existence. But I heard an uncle and a friend's father scream out in their sleep. One of them talked about Japs in the caves. That's not normal sleep.

I first heard about delayed stress syndrome. But, I thought all young men were angry, aggressive, moody, depressed, abused substances, and were hyper-vigilant. Now this condition is called post-traumatic stress disorder. When I came back from Vietnam, PTSD wasn't dealt with. We were just sent home without even an "At'ta boy" or "have a nice life." Nor did we expect any help or support. Vietnam was surreal and ambiguous. That just continued. "Strap it on" was the mentality.

To my surprise, I walked off the battle field. Then, I didn't expect to make thirty. What I didn't count on was being in my sixties and having to deal with all this stuff. The table have turned. Now, I am the one who needs help.

It's hard to deal with. I don't mind being called old: I'm glad to have made it this far. Sometimes, however, I wonder if the ship carrying my dreams has sailed out of sight. Nature runs its course and the aging process becomes undeniable. So how do I deal with that and the effects and problems of PTSD? I'm not sure, but I won't just lie down and let it inexorably wash over me.

For forty years, I avoided the VA. I managed my health care and coped with PTSD the best I could. Four years ago I started getting flyers about getting examined and tested for diseases and conditions related to Agent Orange. I'd been exposed. I remember walking through tree- lines desolate as the dark side of the moon. Charlie could see us, but they couldn't hide there anymore.

I was lucky: A small Indian or Pakistani doctor informed me I didn't have diabetes, Parkinson's, skin disorders, liver or kidney problems, or anything on the laundry list of possible diseases. Great, I thought. Then he rocked my world: "Mr. Harris," he said, "you have anger issues."

"You're goddamn right I do," I snapped. "I've been here for over two hours. It was supposed to take thirty minutes." My inner voice said, "Same old military and VA bullshit. No wonder it took me forty years to show up."

Then he said, "You go Mental Health."

"What?" I crowed. "You're not an American or a Vet!" I stormed out like an irate shopper on Black Friday.

But, I stopped at the reception desk on the way out. The nice young woman there told me there was a PTSD screening at Mental Health that day. "What the hell," I said, "I've been here a long time already, maybe I'll go check it out."

I did check it out. The testing room was very crowded. After you finished the screening, it was evaluated and a shrink took you to an interview room. They never called my name. I finally asked some lifer-looking jerk about it. He said, "We're swamped today. Someone will be in touch with you." Right: Same old Army BS. I had an anger issue again.

In about two weeks, I got a letter to come in and talk to a psychiatrist. I went. She was professional and nice. I told the truth just like I had on the screening. To conclude our session she said, "I recommend you apply for a PTSD disability." I thanked her and left. My head was spinning. Am I crazy or some kind of social deviant? Maybe I'm just a sissy.

Long story short, I saw a psychologist at the VA. She prescribed something to help me sleep. That was the greatest thing ever. For years I had gone to work with too little sleep. It was a Catch-22 situation. I needed sleep but was afraid if I went to sleep I' have those nightmares.

To receive help, you have to admit you have PTSD. The extremely difficult, like fifth grade is to a non-English speaker. Once I started to get some sleep, things improved. My depression lessened (yeah, I always thought that was BS, too). I was in the system and began getting my medical treatment and prescription through the VA.

Then I applied for disability. I met a wonderful readjustment counselor at the Vet Center who helped me with the process. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and revisit some things that were painful. But I "strapped it on" and got disability for PTSD. They turned down my hearing disability claim but gave me a $5,000 pair of hearing aids. Too bad all this stuff wasn't retro-active.

When look back over the years, I recognize many instances when PTSD affected my life. When I first got back the The World, I went to a party. Someone dropped a quart of beer that smashed on the tile floor. I dove behind the couch. Kind of embarrassing.

One time I stopped at Burger King on the way to work. It wa all Asians behind the counter. I couldn't deal with it and walked out. Then it happened another time at Wal-Mart.

Many Vets have road rage and are often faced with the fight-or-flight response. An idiot at Home Depot wanted to fight me because he said I looked at him. I wouldn't back down. Fortunately, someone stepped between us.

We Vets think nobody does their jobs anymore and that no one understand our condition. They also don't care. Okay, I've dealt with disrespect since they called us baby killers. Do so many people have be be rude?

I can go to a movie or restaurant and not be as anxious as in the past. But it is kind of humorous when my ROMEO group (Retired Old Men Eating Out) goes out for breakfast. Everyone wants to see the way in and out, sit against a wall, or sit at the end of the table. It took us a couple of months to realize we just don't want to feel vulnerable or lose our independence.

I was able to teach Vietnamese students without much trouble. They were either well-behaved good students or incorrigible. Not much middle round. Both groups are easy to deal with. I will help you succeed, or you can leave if your phone, dress or attitude is more important than your education.

You're never cured of PTSD. It's not like beating cancer. But you can learn to deal with it effectively and mitigate some of the symptoms, including sleeplessness, anger, depression, avoidance, isolation, substance abuse, anxiety, inability to keep a job or stay married, a startle response and hyper-vigilance. It is a daunting list, but if you learn your triggers, you can manage things better.

Many Vets self-medicate, become workaholics, or ride Harleys. You don't have to have been in combat to have PTSD. If everyone in a horrific accident dies except you, that could start the condition. Survivor guilt is a common PTSD issue. Your spouse or children can suffer from secondary PTSD.

You need to have a support system and the help and understanding of those close to you. Music, a smell, or a sound can trigger an episode, but you can get through it. PTSD symptoms don't lessen with age. In fact, they can intensify with retirement, because you have too much time on your hands. I was fortunate because I had a good counselor at the Vet Center.

Just knowing you're not the only crusty old guy with these issues helps. "Misery loves company," an old cliche' says. But you certainly don't want a support group that just tells war stories and gets into pissing contests.

It feels good to finally be respected. I like it when someone says, "Thank you for your service." A few years ago I wouldn't wear a Vet cap, put a bumper sticker on my car, or watch a war movie. I don't feel that I have made an unsung agreement with political correctness, and I still believe civility is important. I'm lucky to have the support and understanding of my friend at the Sun River Creative Writing Group. If you are angry or feel strongly about something, write about it. You'll feel better.

So if I'm ever on a commuter train and six young people don't let me sit down, bury their heads in their electronic devices, and try to beat me out the door, I'll just smile. They're stupid and don't know they would be living under the yoke of communism if it wasn't for me. Then I'll get off and go to Wal-Mart.
From VVA Veteran's Magazine br br By Larry Harris... (show quote)


My Uncles fought the Japanese, came home seemingly normal until one day one of them found the other in the garage about to blow his brains out. They were twins and the one acted on a premonition. The VA Hospital in Gulfport, Ms. was there to treat shell shocked vets and it was so sad to see. As a child , as we drove past and saw them standing at the fence looking out toward the Gulf with faces as blank as a newly cleaned blackboard, It was heartbreaking and the memory is still heartbreaking.

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Aug 7, 2017 21:58:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
My Uncles fought the Japanese, came home seemingly normal until one day one of them found the other in the garage about to blow his brains out. They were twins and the one acted on a premonition. The VA Hospital in Gulfport, Ms. was there to treat shell shocked vets and it was so sad to see. As a child , as we drove past and saw them standing at the fence looking out toward the Gulf with faces as blank as a newly cleaned blackboard, It was heartbreaking and the memory is still heartbreaking.
My Uncles fought the Japanese, came home seemingl... (show quote)

Thank you for sharing, Carol. I've lost a couple of close Veteran friends of mine to suicide.

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Aug 8, 2017 08:36:53   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
From VVA Veteran's Magazine

By Larry Harris

It used to be called battle fatigue, or shell shock. The old guys from WWII or Korea didn't talk about it much, or even acknowledge its existence. But I heard an uncle and a friend's father scream out in their sleep. One of them talked about Japs in the caves. That's not normal sleep.

I first heard about delayed stress syndrome. But, I thought all young men were angry, aggressive, moody, depressed, abused substances, and were hyper-vigilant. Now this condition is called post-traumatic stress disorder. When I came back from Vietnam, PTSD wasn't dealt with. We were just sent home without even an "At'ta boy" or "have a nice life." Nor did we expect any help or support. Vietnam was surreal and ambiguous. That just continued. "Strap it on" was the mentality.

To my surprise, I walked off the battle field. Then, I didn't expect to make thirty. What I didn't count on was being in my sixties and having to deal with all this stuff. The table have turned. Now, I am the one who needs help.

It's hard to deal with. I don't mind being called old: I'm glad to have made it this far. Sometimes, however, I wonder if the ship carrying my dreams has sailed out of sight. Nature runs its course and the aging process becomes undeniable. So how do I deal with that and the effects and problems of PTSD? I'm not sure, but I won't just lie down and let it inexorably wash over me.

For forty years, I avoided the VA. I managed my health care and coped with PTSD the best I could. Four years ago I started getting flyers about getting examined and tested for diseases and conditions related to Agent Orange. I'd been exposed. I remember walking through tree-lines desolate as the dark side of the moon. Charlie could see us, but they couldn't hide there anymore.

I was lucky: A small Indian or Pakistani doctor informed me I didn't have diabetes, Parkinson's, skin disorders, liver or kidney problems, or anything on the laundry list of possible diseases. Great, I thought. Then he rocked my world: "Mr. Harris," he said, "you have anger issues."

"You're goddamn right I do," I snapped. "I've been here for over two hours. It was supposed to take thirty minutes." My inner voice said, "Same old military and VA bullshit. No wonder it took me forty years to show up."

Then he said, "You go Mental Health."

"What?" I crowed. "You're not an American or a Vet!" I stormed out like an irate shopper on Black Friday.

But, I stopped at the reception desk on the way out. The nice young woman there told me there was a PTSD screening at Mental Health that day. "What the hell," I said, "I've been here a long time already, maybe I'll go check it out."

I did check it out. The testing room was very crowded. After you finished the screening, it was evaluated and a shrink took you to an interview room. They never called my name. I finally asked some lifer-looking jerk about it. He said, "We're swamped today. Someone will be in touch with you." Right: Same old Army BS. I had an anger issue again.

In about two weeks, I got a letter to come in and talk to a psychiatrist. I went. She was professional and nice. I told the truth just like I had on the screening. To conclude our session she said, "I recommend you apply for a PTSD disability." I thanked her and left. My head was spinning. Am I crazy or some kind of social deviant? Maybe I'm just a sissy.

Long story short, I saw a psychologist at the VA. She prescribed something to help me sleep. That was the greatest thing ever. For years I had gone to work with too little sleep. It was a Catch-22 situation. I needed sleep but was afraid if I went to sleep I' have those nightmares.

To receive help, you have to admit you have PTSD. The extremely difficult, like fifth grade is to a non-English speaker. Once I started to get some sleep, things improved. My depression lessened (yeah, I always thought that was BS, too). I was in the system and began getting my medical treatment and prescription through the VA.

Then I applied for disability. I met a wonderful readjustment counselor at the Vet Center who helped me with the process. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and revisit some things that were painful. But I "strapped it on" and got disability for PTSD. They turned down my hearing disability claim but gave me a $5,000 pair of hearing aids. Too bad all this stuff wasn't retro-active.

When look back over the years, I recognize many instances when PTSD affected my life. When I first got back the The World, I went to a party. Someone dropped a quart of beer that smashed on the tile floor. I dove behind the couch. Kind of embarrassing.

One time I stopped at Burger King on the way to work. It wa all Asians behind the counter. I couldn't deal with it and walked out. Then it happened another time at Wal-Mart.

Many Vets have road rage and are often faced with the fight-or-flight response. An idiot at Home Depot wanted to fight me because he said I looked at him. I wouldn't back down. Fortunately, someone stepped between us.

We Vets think nobody does their jobs anymore and that no one understand our condition. They also don't care. Okay, I've dealt with disrespect since they called us baby killers. Do so many people have be be rude?

I can go to a movie or restaurant and not be as anxious as in the past. But it is kind of humorous when my ROMEO group (Retired Old Men Eating Out) goes out for breakfast. Everyone wants to see the way in and out, sit against a wall, or sit at the end of the table. It took us a couple of months to realize we just don't want to feel vulnerable or lose our independence.

I was able to teach Vietnamese students without much trouble. They were either well-behaved good students or incorrigible. Not much middle round. Both groups are easy to deal with. I will help you succeed, or you can leave if your phone, dress or attitude is more important than your education.

You're never cured of PTSD. It's not like beating cancer. But you can learn to deal with it effectively and mitigate some of the symptoms, including sleeplessness, anger, depression, avoidance, isolation, substance abuse, anxiety, inability to keep a job or stay married, a startle response and hyper-vigilance. It is a daunting list, but if you learn your triggers, you can manage things better.

Many Vets self-medicate, become workaholics, or ride Harleys. You don't have to have been in combat to have PTSD. If everyone in a horrific accident dies except you, that could start the condition. Survivor guilt is a common PTSD issue. Your spouse or children can suffer from secondary PTSD.

You need to have a support system and the help and understanding of those close to you. Music, a smell, or a sound can trigger an episode, but you can get through it. PTSD symptoms don't lessen with age. In fact, they can intensify with retirement, because you have too much time on your hands. I was fortunate because I had a good counselor at the Vet Center.

Just knowing you're not the only crusty old guy with these issues helps. "Misery loves company," an old cliche' says. But you certainly don't want a support group that just tells war stories and gets into pissing contests.

It feels good to finally be respected. I like it when someone says, "Thank you for your service." A few years ago I wouldn't wear a Vet cap, put a bumper sticker on my car, or watch a war movie. I don't feel that I have made an unsung agreement with political correctness, and I still believe civility is important. I'm lucky to have the support and understanding of my friend at the Sun River Creative Writing Group. If you are angry or feel strongly about something, write about it. You'll feel better.

So if I'm ever on a commuter train and six young people don't let me sit down, bury their heads in their electronic devices, and try to beat me out the door, I'll just smile. They're stupid and don't know they would be living under the yoke of communism if it wasn't for me. Then I'll get off and go to Wal-Mart.
From VVA Veteran's Magazine br br By Larry Harris... (show quote)



very good post Slat
Have known veterans from both WW2 and Korea and Nam who suffered from that
I'm very fortunate,I never have
but then I wasn't in a fox hole

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Aug 8, 2017 09:25:52   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
From VVA Veteran's Magazine

By Larry Harris

It used to be called battle fatigue, or shell shock. The old guys from WWII or Korea didn't talk about it much, or even acknowledge its existence. But I heard an uncle and a friend's father scream out in their sleep. One of them talked about Japs in the caves. That's not normal sleep.

I first heard about delayed stress syndrome. But, I thought all young men were angry, aggressive, moody, depressed, abused substances, and were hyper-vigilant. Now this condition is called post-traumatic stress disorder. When I came back from Vietnam, PTSD wasn't dealt with. We were just sent home without even an "At'ta boy" or "have a nice life." Nor did we expect any help or support. Vietnam was surreal and ambiguous. That just continued. "Strap it on" was the mentality.

To my surprise, I walked off the battle field. Then, I didn't expect to make thirty. What I didn't count on was being in my sixties and having to deal with all this stuff. The table have turned. Now, I am the one who needs help.

It's hard to deal with. I don't mind being called old: I'm glad to have made it this far. Sometimes, however, I wonder if the ship carrying my dreams has sailed out of sight. Nature runs its course and the aging process becomes undeniable. So how do I deal with that and the effects and problems of PTSD? I'm not sure, but I won't just lie down and let it inexorably wash over me.

For forty years, I avoided the VA. I managed my health care and coped with PTSD the best I could. Four years ago I started getting flyers about getting examined and tested for diseases and conditions related to Agent Orange. I'd been exposed. I remember walking through tree-lines desolate as the dark side of the moon. Charlie could see us, but they couldn't hide there anymore.

I was lucky: A small Indian or Pakistani doctor informed me I didn't have diabetes, Parkinson's, skin disorders, liver or kidney problems, or anything on the laundry list of possible diseases. Great, I thought. Then he rocked my world: "Mr. Harris," he said, "you have anger issues."

"You're goddamn right I do," I snapped. "I've been here for over two hours. It was supposed to take thirty minutes." My inner voice said, "Same old military and VA bullshit. No wonder it took me forty years to show up."

Then he said, "You go Mental Health."

"What?" I crowed. "You're not an American or a Vet!" I stormed out like an irate shopper on Black Friday.

But, I stopped at the reception desk on the way out. The nice young woman there told me there was a PTSD screening at Mental Health that day. "What the hell," I said, "I've been here a long time already, maybe I'll go check it out."

I did check it out. The testing room was very crowded. After you finished the screening, it was evaluated and a shrink took you to an interview room. They never called my name. I finally asked some lifer-looking jerk about it. He said, "We're swamped today. Someone will be in touch with you." Right: Same old Army BS. I had an anger issue again.

In about two weeks, I got a letter to come in and talk to a psychiatrist. I went. She was professional and nice. I told the truth just like I had on the screening. To conclude our session she said, "I recommend you apply for a PTSD disability." I thanked her and left. My head was spinning. Am I crazy or some kind of social deviant? Maybe I'm just a sissy.

Long story short, I saw a psychologist at the VA. She prescribed something to help me sleep. That was the greatest thing ever. For years I had gone to work with too little sleep. It was a Catch-22 situation. I needed sleep but was afraid if I went to sleep I' have those nightmares.

To receive help, you have to admit you have PTSD. The extremely difficult, like fifth grade is to a non-English speaker. Once I started to get some sleep, things improved. My depression lessened (yeah, I always thought that was BS, too). I was in the system and began getting my medical treatment and prescription through the VA.

Then I applied for disability. I met a wonderful readjustment counselor at the Vet Center who helped me with the process. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and revisit some things that were painful. But I "strapped it on" and got disability for PTSD. They turned down my hearing disability claim but gave me a $5,000 pair of hearing aids. Too bad all this stuff wasn't retro-active.

When look back over the years, I recognize many instances when PTSD affected my life. When I first got back the The World, I went to a party. Someone dropped a quart of beer that smashed on the tile floor. I dove behind the couch. Kind of embarrassing.

One time I stopped at Burger King on the way to work. It wa all Asians behind the counter. I couldn't deal with it and walked out. Then it happened another time at Wal-Mart.

Many Vets have road rage and are often faced with the fight-or-flight response. An idiot at Home Depot wanted to fight me because he said I looked at him. I wouldn't back down. Fortunately, someone stepped between us.

We Vets think nobody does their jobs anymore and that no one understand our condition. They also don't care. Okay, I've dealt with disrespect since they called us baby killers. Do so many people have be be rude?

I can go to a movie or restaurant and not be as anxious as in the past. But it is kind of humorous when my ROMEO group (Retired Old Men Eating Out) goes out for breakfast. Everyone wants to see the way in and out, sit against a wall, or sit at the end of the table. It took us a couple of months to realize we just don't want to feel vulnerable or lose our independence.

I was able to teach Vietnamese students without much trouble. They were either well-behaved good students or incorrigible. Not much middle round. Both groups are easy to deal with. I will help you succeed, or you can leave if your phone, dress or attitude is more important than your education.

You're never cured of PTSD. It's not like beating cancer. But you can learn to deal with it effectively and mitigate some of the symptoms, including sleeplessness, anger, depression, avoidance, isolation, substance abuse, anxiety, inability to keep a job or stay married, a startle response and hyper-vigilance. It is a daunting list, but if you learn your triggers, you can manage things better.

Many Vets self-medicate, become workaholics, or ride Harleys. You don't have to have been in combat to have PTSD. If everyone in a horrific accident dies except you, that could start the condition. Survivor guilt is a common PTSD issue. Your spouse or children can suffer from secondary PTSD.

You need to have a support system and the help and understanding of those close to you. Music, a smell, or a sound can trigger an episode, but you can get through it. PTSD symptoms don't lessen with age. In fact, they can intensify with retirement, because you have too much time on your hands. I was fortunate because I had a good counselor at the Vet Center.

Just knowing you're not the only crusty old guy with these issues helps. "Misery loves company," an old cliche' says. But you certainly don't want a support group that just tells war stories and gets into pissing contests.

It feels good to finally be respected. I like it when someone says, "Thank you for your service." A few years ago I wouldn't wear a Vet cap, put a bumper sticker on my car, or watch a war movie. I don't feel that I have made an unsung agreement with political correctness, and I still believe civility is important. I'm lucky to have the support and understanding of my friend at the Sun River Creative Writing Group. If you are angry or feel strongly about something, write about it. You'll feel better.

So if I'm ever on a commuter train and six young people don't let me sit down, bury their heads in their electronic devices, and try to beat me out the door, I'll just smile. They're stupid and don't know they would be living under the yoke of communism if it wasn't for me. Then I'll get off and go to Wal-Mart.
From VVA Veteran's Magazine br br By Larry Harris... (show quote)


The military has been aware of this condition since 1916, after studying 1000's of soldiers suffering from debilitating neurological conditions, all of whom had experienced the sustained artillery barrages in the trenches. That's where the term "shell shock" originated, recognizing the cause/effect of non stop shelling. As it turns out, it wasn't the explosion so much as the knowledge of impending death that did the damage, as the enemy was fond of "whistling" artillery ordnance, and a man hearing these whistles, straining to calculate the trajectory of the round and thinking "this is the one", 100's of times a day, day in and day out - could break anybody.

Seeing your buddies die right in front of you, sometimes in a massively gruesome manner, MUST have an effect on someone's psyche, and we KNOW that, but having no effective treatment, chose to ignore it for a century. One would think that military planners, gearing up for war, would gear up for the aftermath as well. To be completely clear, had the Middle Eastern wars not lasted as long as they have - we'd have been ignoring the problem yet again. No effort was made to ramp up mental health services in the active duty medical system, nor in the VA in 2001 - 2002, even when it was KNOWN that returning personnel would need such services - because they were hoping the numbers would be low enough to ignore again.

I urged DoD and the VA to begin the recruitment of mental health professionals after the Afghanistan invasion, because I knew they weren't ready for the returning Veterans, but as everyone can plainly see - they ignored the issue again. The sheer number of Veterans suffering PUBLICLY, was the motivation to bring this issue out of the textbooks and into the limelight. There are STILL 100's of WWII Veterans ( all the WWI Vets are dead ), 1000's of Korean Vets, 10's of 1000's of Vietnam Vets and many times more Veterans of later conflicts, suffering from undiagnosed PTSD and/or unavailability of treatment options.

It isn't a "weak mind", it isn't "anger issues" and it isn't "mental illness" - it's a direct result of putting decent people into indecent conditions, forcing people to endure living nightmares and a result of seeing people you care about die gruesome, senseless deaths. My advice today for mental health "professionals", who want to expound on a subject they know nothing about, is to put them in a fire fight somewhere to get some "perspective" ( and there's bound to be one somewhere at any given time ) - and THEN let them come up with their bullshit theories about the "causes of PTSD".

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Aug 8, 2017 09:31:25   #
Mel Havener
 
I thank you Slat very very much for takeing the time to write this. I also am treated for PYSD and it was hell untill I my self got the help I needed. Never have I went through any thing like it and would not ever wish it on my worse enemy. I am over 80 years old and enjoying life with meds and help from the V.A.

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Aug 8, 2017 10:30:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The military has been aware of this condition since 1916, after studying 1000's of soldiers suffering from debilitating neurological conditions, all of whom had experienced the sustained artillery barrages in the trenches. That's where the term "shell shock" originated, recognizing the cause/effect of non stop shelling. As it turns out, it wasn't the explosion so much as the knowledge of impending death that did the damage, as the enemy was fond of "whistling" artillery ordnance, and a man hearing these whistles, straining to calculate the trajectory of the round and thinking "this is the one", 100's of times a day, day in and day out - could break anybody.

Seeing your buddies die right in front of you, sometimes in a massively gruesome manner, MUST have an effect on someone's psyche, and we KNOW that, but having no effective treatment, chose to ignore it for a century. One would think that military planners, gearing up for war, would gear up for the aftermath as well. To be completely clear, had the Middle Eastern wars not lasted as long as they have - we'd have been ignoring the problem yet again. No effort was made to ramp up mental health services in the active duty medical system, nor in the VA in 2001 - 2002, even when it was KNOWN that returning personnel would need such services - because they were hoping the numbers would be low enough to ignore again.

I urged DoD and the VA to begin the recruitment of mental health professionals after the Afghanistan invasion, because I knew they weren't ready for the returning Veterans, but as everyone can plainly see - they ignored the issue again. The sheer number of Veterans suffering PUBLICLY, was the motivation to bring this issue out of the textbooks and into the limelight. There are STILL 100's of WWII Veterans ( all the WWI Vets are dead ), 1000's of Korean Vets, 10's of 1000's of Vietnam Vets and many times more Veterans of later conflicts, suffering from undiagnosed PTSD and/or unavailability of treatment options.

It isn't a "weak mind", it isn't "anger issues" and it isn't "mental illness" - it's a direct result of putting decent people into indecent conditions, forcing people to endure living nightmares and a result of seeing people you care about die gruesome, senseless deaths. My advice today for mental health "professionals", who want to expound on a subject they know nothing about, is to put them in a fire fight somewhere to get some "perspective" ( and there's bound to be one somewhere at any given time ) - and THEN let them come up with their bullshit theories about the "causes of PTSD".
The military has been aware of this condition sinc... (show quote)

Thank you for your valuable input, Doc.

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Aug 8, 2017 10:39:14   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Mel Havener wrote:
I thank you Slat very very much for takeing the time to write this. I also am treated for PYSD and it was hell untill I my self got the help I needed. Never have I went through any thing like it and would not ever wish it on my worse enemy. I am over 80 years old and enjoying life with meds and help from the V.A.

Mel, my intent was in reaching out to those who are dealing with PTSD, and also to those who may realize their need to do so. Thank you for your comment/response. Mr. Harris' story echos others, I'm certain, as it very closely mirrors my own.

After reading this from a older issue of Veteran Magazine just yesterday, I felt compelled to share it.

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Aug 8, 2017 14:55:15   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thank you for your valuable input, Doc.


I apologize to you and anyone else reading that post, I don't think it was helpful, and it certainly strayed off topic. The lack of awareness, and the criminal negligence towards our Veterans and active duty personnel where mental health is concerned, is one of my top pet peeves.

The good news is; after over 15 years of war, the efforts of Veterans from all conflicts towards getting the Military and VA to acknowledge the problem and do something constructive about it, is starting to pay off - a little. Those personnel mustering out are now screened for PTSD, at least, they're supposed to be. The VA has finally increased mental health staffing and begun offering more targeted treatments in more areas, and Veteran Services Officers are referring more people to local self help groups. It's a start anyway.

I encourage any Veteran who has ANY kind of "issue" to seek the advice of other Veterans who can be found in almost every corner of the country. It is impossible to self diagnose, and we're often not able to see our own problems AS problems, which is why it's important to talk to someone else we can trust, and we can always trust another Vet. I also encourage Vets who are, or who have, undergone treatment for one issue or another, to join a local group and pass it on. Civilians just cannot understand the shit we've been through, OR why it effects us the way it does, but another Vet certainly can. The best therapy is almost always is "talking it out" with someone who understand where you're coming from, and even when medication is helpful, it not effective when group therapy is not included. Medication is an adjunct to therapy, not a replacement.

I hope this kinda makes up for my earlier rant.

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Aug 8, 2017 15:07:21   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I apologize to you and anyone else reading that post, I don't think it was helpful, and it certainly strayed off topic. The lack of awareness, and the criminal negligence towards our Veterans and active duty personnel where mental health is concerned, is one of my top pet peeves.

The good news is; after over 15 years of war, the efforts of Veterans from all conflicts towards getting the Military and VA to acknowledge the problem and do something constructive about it, is starting to pay off - a little. Those personnel mustering out are now screened for PTSD, at least, they're supposed to be. The VA has finally increased mental health staffing and begun offering more targeted treatments in more areas, and Veteran Services Officers are referring more people to local self help groups. It's a start anyway.

I encourage any Veteran who has ANY kind of "issue" to seek the advice of other Veterans who can be found in almost every corner of the country. It is impossible to self diagnose, and we're often not able to see our own problems AS problems, which is why it's important to talk to someone else we can trust, and we can always trust another Vet. I also encourage Vets who are, or who have, undergone treatment for one issue or another, to join a local group and pass it on. Civilians just cannot understand the shit we've been through, OR why it effects us the way it does, but another Vet certainly can. The best therapy is almost always is "talking it out" with someone who understand where you're coming from, and even when medication is helpful, it not effective when group therapy is not included. Medication is an adjunct to therapy, not a replacement.

I hope this kinda makes up for my earlier rant.
I apologize to you and anyone else reading that po... (show quote)

I wasn't being facetious or sarcastic, Doc. I found your post spot-on (rant or not) and valuable in its perception & assessment of the situation.

BTW, read my latest thread, 'Their Brother's Keepers: Medics & Corpsmen In Vietnam.'

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Aug 8, 2017 18:00:55   #
boatbob2
 
I still have NIGHTMARES,from Vietnam,I wake up and sit on the side of the bed,sometimes for 2 hours or so,before I can go back to sleep. enough said...

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Aug 8, 2017 18:14:11   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
boatbob2 wrote:
I still have NIGHTMARES,from Vietnam,I wake up and sit on the side of the bed,sometimes for 2 hours or so,before I can go back to sleep. enough said...

Seek help from the VA, BoatBob2. I did, years ago, and it made a huge difference in my life for both myself and others. You won't regret it.

You deserve relief from the nightmares and emotional/psychological damage from which you suffer.

You are not alone, Brother.

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Aug 8, 2017 20:36:12   #
teabag09
 
Thank You for your Service, Mr. Harris Mike
slatten49 wrote:
From VVA Veteran's Magazine

By Larry Harris

It used to be called battle fatigue, or shell shock. The old guys from WWII or Korea didn't talk about it much, or even acknowledge its existence. But I heard an uncle and a friend's father scream out in their sleep. One of them talked about Japs in the caves. That's not normal sleep.

I first heard about delayed stress syndrome. But, I thought all young men were angry, aggressive, moody, depressed, abused substances, and were hyper-vigilant. Now this condition is called post-traumatic stress disorder. When I came back from Vietnam, PTSD wasn't dealt with. We were just sent home without even an "At'ta boy" or "have a nice life." Nor did we expect any help or support. Vietnam was surreal and ambiguous. That just continued. "Strap it on" was the mentality.

To my surprise, I walked off the battle field. Then, I didn't expect to make thirty. What I didn't count on was being in my sixties and having to deal with all this stuff. The table have turned. Now, I am the one who needs help.

It's hard to deal with. I don't mind being called old: I'm glad to have made it this far. Sometimes, however, I wonder if the ship carrying my dreams has sailed out of sight. Nature runs its course and the aging process becomes undeniable. So how do I deal with that and the effects and problems of PTSD? I'm not sure, but I won't just lie down and let it inexorably wash over me.

For forty years, I avoided the VA. I managed my health care and coped with PTSD the best I could. Four years ago I started getting flyers about getting examined and tested for diseases and conditions related to Agent Orange. I'd been exposed. I remember walking through tree-lines desolate as the dark side of the moon. Charlie could see us, but they couldn't hide there anymore.

I was lucky: A small Indian or Pakistani doctor informed me I didn't have diabetes, Parkinson's, skin disorders, liver or kidney problems, or anything on the laundry list of possible diseases. Great, I thought. Then he rocked my world: "Mr. Harris," he said, "you have anger issues."

"You're goddamn right I do," I snapped. "I've been here for over two hours. It was supposed to take thirty minutes." My inner voice said, "Same old military and VA bullshit. No wonder it took me forty years to show up."

Then he said, "You go Mental Health."

"What?" I crowed. "You're not an American or a Vet!" I stormed out like an irate shopper on Black Friday.

But, I stopped at the reception desk on the way out. The nice young woman there told me there was a PTSD screening at Mental Health that day. "What the hell," I said, "I've been here a long time already, maybe I'll go check it out."

I did check it out. The testing room was very crowded. After you finished the screening, it was evaluated and a shrink took you to an interview room. They never called my name. I finally asked some lifer-looking jerk about it. He said, "We're swamped today. Someone will be in touch with you." Right: Same old Army BS. I had an anger issue again.

In about two weeks, I got a letter to come in and talk to a psychiatrist. I went. She was professional and nice. I told the truth just like I had on the screening. To conclude our session she said, "I recommend you apply for a PTSD disability." I thanked her and left. My head was spinning. Am I crazy or some kind of social deviant? Maybe I'm just a sissy.

Long story short, I saw a psychologist at the VA. She prescribed something to help me sleep. That was the greatest thing ever. For years I had gone to work with too little sleep. It was a Catch-22 situation. I needed sleep but was afraid if I went to sleep I' have those nightmares.

To receive help, you have to admit you have PTSD. The extremely difficult, like fifth grade is to a non-English speaker. Once I started to get some sleep, things improved. My depression lessened (yeah, I always thought that was BS, too). I was in the system and began getting my medical treatment and prescription through the VA.

Then I applied for disability. I met a wonderful readjustment counselor at the Vet Center who helped me with the process. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and revisit some things that were painful. But I "strapped it on" and got disability for PTSD. They turned down my hearing disability claim but gave me a $5,000 pair of hearing aids. Too bad all this stuff wasn't retro-active.

When look back over the years, I recognize many instances when PTSD affected my life. When I first got back the The World, I went to a party. Someone dropped a quart of beer that smashed on the tile floor. I dove behind the couch. Kind of embarrassing.

One time I stopped at Burger King on the way to work. It wa all Asians behind the counter. I couldn't deal with it and walked out. Then it happened another time at Wal-Mart.

Many Vets have road rage and are often faced with the fight-or-flight response. An idiot at Home Depot wanted to fight me because he said I looked at him. I wouldn't back down. Fortunately, someone stepped between us.

We Vets think nobody does their jobs anymore and that no one understand our condition. They also don't care. Okay, I've dealt with disrespect since they called us baby killers. Do so many people have be be rude?

I can go to a movie or restaurant and not be as anxious as in the past. But it is kind of humorous when my ROMEO group (Retired Old Men Eating Out) goes out for breakfast. Everyone wants to see the way in and out, sit against a wall, or sit at the end of the table. It took us a couple of months to realize we just don't want to feel vulnerable or lose our independence.

I was able to teach Vietnamese students without much trouble. They were either well-behaved good students or incorrigible. Not much middle round. Both groups are easy to deal with. I will help you succeed, or you can leave if your phone, dress or attitude is more important than your education.

You're never cured of PTSD. It's not like beating cancer. But you can learn to deal with it effectively and mitigate some of the symptoms, including sleeplessness, anger, depression, avoidance, isolation, substance abuse, anxiety, inability to keep a job or stay married, a startle response and hyper-vigilance. It is a daunting list, but if you learn your triggers, you can manage things better.

Many Vets self-medicate, become workaholics, or ride Harleys. You don't have to have been in combat to have PTSD. If everyone in a horrific accident dies except you, that could start the condition. Survivor guilt is a common PTSD issue. Your spouse or children can suffer from secondary PTSD.

You need to have a support system and the help and understanding of those close to you. Music, a smell, or a sound can trigger an episode, but you can get through it. PTSD symptoms don't lessen with age. In fact, they can intensify with retirement, because you have too much time on your hands. I was fortunate because I had a good counselor at the Vet Center.

Just knowing you're not the only crusty old guy with these issues helps. "Misery loves company," an old cliche' says. But you certainly don't want a support group that just tells war stories and gets into pissing contests.

It feels good to finally be respected. I like it when someone says, "Thank you for your service." A few years ago I wouldn't wear a Vet cap, put a bumper sticker on my car, or watch a war movie. I don't feel that I have made an unsung agreement with political correctness, and I still believe civility is important. I'm lucky to have the support and understanding of my friend at the Sun River Creative Writing Group. If you are angry or feel strongly about something, write about it. You'll feel better.

So if I'm ever on a commuter train and six young people don't let me sit down, bury their heads in their electronic devices, and try to beat me out the door, I'll just smile. They're stupid and don't know they would be living under the yoke of communism if it wasn't for me. Then I'll get off and go to Wal-Mart.
From VVA Veteran's Magazine br br By Larry Harris... (show quote)

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Aug 8, 2017 20:36:40   #
teabag09
 
I meant Slat. Mike
teabag09 wrote:
Thank You for your Service, Mr. Harris Mike

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Aug 8, 2017 21:05:13   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
teabag09 wrote:
I meant Slat. Mike

Back at ya, Mike...

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