Ooph

When Russian involvement is proved in this election, I expect all u Nay-sayers to realize your ideological blindness
First: Ooph on Dec 13, 2016 05:49:48

It's been proven. Realize your ideological blindness, please. Thank you. No need to kiss my ring or bow or anything like that. Your chagrin works fine.

If only I could count on that.

I know that many of you, like Trump, will be derisive and dismissive of America's Intelligence Community and not accept that you were wrong and they are right about Russian meddling in our election specifically to benefit Trump. Effectively, you are saying the Department of Homeland Security, the Office of National Security, the CIA, and FBI, as well as 13 other agencies are all lying to undermine Trump's unpopular and narrow victory. All of them are simply butt-hurt over his flimsy win? Soros has paid off our entire Intelligence Community, as well as those overseas, and all the secretaries and support personnel, right? Really?

The argument Trump used early on to disparage those agencies was that they were wrong before about WMDs in Iraq; the CIA director himself told Bush that there were no WMDs in Iraq. Now we have Trump Jr, who lied about not having meetings with Russian representatives and changed his story four times on the meeting he admitted to, proven by emails as well. And Jared Kushner, who has amended his security clearance form four times to add Russian contacts. And Paul Mannafort, who lied about his meetings with the Russians. And Flynn, who lied to Congress about such meetings. And Sessions, who lied to Congress about such meetings. This is all proven and not conjecture. Why all these lies if the meetings were innocent, as later claimed? No cognitive dissonance for you Righties in this huge pile of BS? Coincidence all the lies and attempts to coverup meetings with Russia?

You have two choices to deny Russian involvement in the 2016 election: a plea of insanity or you are legally blind. My bad. There are more choices. Advanced Stupidity, Ideological loyalty, and you don't really care about the truth or America. Or you colluded with Russia.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Im not denying that Russia meddled in our election, but didnt change any votes, Trump won fair ,BTW, Russia been meddling in our elections since 1950's. Once again, the only reason its a big deal now, because Trump won, 10 months to prove if there was any collusion, and drum roll, please.................THATS RIGHT NO COLLUSION!!! So thats right no appologies from me!!

peter11937 Loc: NYS

All ;propaganda to excuse hillary's drubbing in the Electoral College. Russians did not cause my vote to change, hillary's obvious unfitness for the office of the presidency did. Pemiting the sale of Uranium One to the russians cemented it in stone.

Ooph

How do you know that all those leaks about Hillary "didn't change any votes"? Also, there is an ongoing investigation about collusion: wait for its findings to say NO COLLUSION. But my only point in the thread I noted was that Russia meddled in our election; almost every Rightie scoffed or mocked such an idea (besides the name-calling and insults by others over this "commie bs"). Read the comments. They were all wrong. None are objective, inquisitive, or reflective. High-fiving each other over their attacks on me. Children.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Hillary colluded with Putin when she gave away Uranium 1,second Obama colluded when he told Medvedev that after last election he will be more flexible, That collusion, As far as insults, im not for it. But still no apology from me

PeterS

How do you know that the Russian meddling didn't change any vote?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

They didnt get into the voting machines. Even dems agreed with that

robmull Loc: florida

Actually, what "WE" were saying, gOoph, is that WHATEVER happened in the last POTUS campaign with Russia {and China and Iran and Egypt and Pakistan and India and Japan and GB and Germany and France and whoever-else}, has been happening in politics in America since there was an America {and a Russia and a China and a Japan, etc.}, and to American interests, after almost a year of "lefty" know President Trump (R), {or ANY president other than a (D)}, HAS to be guilty of SOMETHING, SOMETIME, and believing that President Trump (R), is intimidated by the "lefty" MSM (D), and "Hollyweird" (D), as was Richard Nixon (R). But you see, THAT was when all "WE" had to go-by was the word {LOLOLOL} of the "drive-by, alphabet channel" "fake," 24/7/365, 96% negative HEADLINES of "Nixon/Watergate." NOT "Natural Born" attention, NOT F & F attention, NOT IRS, {tax-exempt"} meddling attention, NOT Benghazi "assassination "stand-(D)own" ordered attention, NOT 30,000 "C" {"whatever THAT means," HRC}, unsecured GOVERNMENT emails, UNSECURED, going into and out-of hot Islamic terrorist war-zones, NOT tons of Uranium being sold to Russia in return for HUGE "Slick Willie" speaking fees, NOT hundreds of BILLION$ of DOLLAR$, CASH, front-loaded "(D)eal," being given to IRAN, attention, NOT hundreds of million$ of dollar$ being transferred to the Clinton Foundation by Russia attention, NOT the TRILLION DOLLAR military exchange from the Sunni Iraqi Army {after Iraq had been day and date scheduled American evacuation}, to the Sunni ISIS terrorists attention, and on-and-on; and President Nixon (R), had NO "ALTERNATIVE" BACKUP!!! Guess what, "lefty!!!???" President "45" Trump (R), has more back-up than Carter has little-liver pills. And the "TRUMP TRAIN" (R), {no matter WHAT the attention of the MSM (D), claims, 24/7/365}, is getting bigger and strongere and faster by-the-day!!!! Put THAT "in-your pipe..."

Ooph

When you say "propaganda" are you saying that Russia did not meddle in our election and all our Intelligence Agencies are simply colluding to lessen Trump's marginal win as president?

In my view, equal unfitness for the office.

Read more on that uranium deal, not just Drudge.

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

About the same as you knowing it did, thats how........we don't need to prove it didn't , you need to prove it did.....good luck with that Petey.

Ooph

It is unknown, but you stated it as a fact that it did not. How can you possibly make such a statement?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Just face it, Hillary Clinton was bad candidate.She blamed practically everybody,but herself. She had all this money, President Obama, movie stars behind her and still, she lost This should tell you something about your candidate!1 LOOOOOOSER!!!

Ooph

That is not the point or part of the point. You do not have to get into the voting machines to scandalize a candidate and cost that candidate votes. If what was leaked about Hillary was leaked about Trump, it is natural some voters will change their mind.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

eVERYTHING THAT LEAKED ABOUT YOUR hILLARY WAS TRUE.

Mikeyavelli

Trump drove by a bar that had a bottle of Stolichnaya on the shelf.
Lock him up.