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Jul 17, 2017 13:17:04   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Exactly. On a side note if you are to stupid and or lazy to check what you are buying you get the coverage you deserve. Man these liberals are hardly viable outside of the womb.
Ricktloml wrote:
That was just another convenient lie. The canceled policies were perfectly fine, usually miles ahead of Obamacare.

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Jul 17, 2017 13:19:59   #
Ricktloml
 
donald41 wrote:
your a little dense or you are lying.


Welcome donald41, please use the quote reply button so we will know who you are responding to-most all of us needed this little tip

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Jul 17, 2017 13:23:51   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Welcome donald41, please use the quote reply button so we will know who you are responding to-most all of us needed this little tip
sorry know better...

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Jul 17, 2017 13:27:53   #
S. Maturin
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Or the dead Border Patrolman, or abuse of power with the IRS. The list of Obama lies, corruption and abuse of power is so long it's staggering



And, THAT'S the problem we're having- all of us. We were totally overwhelmed by the tsunami of deceit, lies, hollow words, and that great toothy grin.

Plus, unlike the infants of the left, we conservatives wished Obama success as we accepted the loss and thought of the country. HOWEVER, Obama had a really unique view as to what he should be successful at. Once that became clear, we conservatives cleared our heads and began protesting. Maybe next time (if we're dumb enough to experience a next time) we burn down some village market places or maybe the entire DC snake pit.

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Jul 17, 2017 13:37:28   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
yeah, there is,,,, your side didnt get all the evidence covered up


Right on.

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Jul 17, 2017 13:46:47   #
Mikeyavelli
 
tdsrnest wrote:
The real voter fraud in this country is not fraud it's called voter suppression, and voter purge fabricated and created by the right wing. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind of massive voter fraud in this country.

Copied and pasted from DNC Quran third chapter verse Four.

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Jul 17, 2017 14:02:53   #
Ricktloml
 
donald41 wrote:
sorry know better...


No problem, didn't mean to carp

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Jul 17, 2017 14:56:16   #
Nickolai
 
out of the woods wrote:
Assuming that voter id laws were being upheld. Does anyone feel that Democrats would do any better
today, or like me, do you feel that the more noise they make, the farther into the obscurity of the
ridiculous they fall? Can think of no better way to describe what they have been doing. Future generations
will look back and they will be lumped together with the Chicken Song from the 1970s, anyone remember
that?





Jennifer Rubin - The Washington Post - Friday, July 14, 2017
The key insight from a week of gobsmacking revelations is not that the Russia scandal may finally have an underlying crime but that, as David Brooks suggests, “over the past few generations the Trump family built an enveloping culture that is beyond good and evil.” (Remember when the media collectively oohed and ahhed that, “Say what you will about Donald Trump, but his kids are great!”? Add that to the heap of inane media narratives that helped normalize Trump to the voters.) We now see that, sure enough, the Trump legal team (the fastest-growing segment of the economy) has trouble restraining its clients, explaining away initial, false explanations and preventing self-incriminating statements. (The biggest trouble, of course, is that the president lied that this is all “fake news” and arguably committed obstruction of justice to hide his campaign team’s misdeeds.)
Let me suggest the real problem is not the Trump family, but the GOP. To paraphrase Brooks, “It takes generations to hammer ethical considerations out of a [party’s] mindand to replace them entirely with the ruthless logic of winning and losing.” Again, to borrow from Brooks, beyond partisanship the GOP evidences “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code.”
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Let’s dispense with the “Democrats are just as bad” defense. First, I don’t much care; we collectively face a party in charge of virtually the entire federal government and the vast majority of statehouses and governorships. It’s that party’s inner moral rot that must concern us for now. Second, it’s simply not true, and saying so reveals the origin of the problem — a “woe is me” sense of victimhood that grossly exaggerates the opposition’s ills and in turn justifies its own egregious political judgments and rhetoric. If the GOP had not become unhinged about the Clintons, would it have rationalized Trump as the lesser of two evils? Only in the crazed bubble of right-wing hysteria does an ethically challenged, moderate Democrat become a threat to Western civilization and Trump the salvation of America.
Indeed, for decades now, demonization — of gays, immigrants, Democrats, the media, feminists, etc. — has been the animating spirit behind much of the right. It has distorted its assessment of reality, giving us anti-immigrant hysteria, promulgating disrespect for the law (how many “respectable” conservatives suggested disregarding the Supreme Court’s decision on gay marriage?), elevating Fox News hosts’ blatantly false propaganda as the counterweight to liberal media bias and preventing serious policy debate. For seven years, the party vilified Obamacare without an accurate assessment of its faults and feasible alternative plans. “Obama bad” or “Clinton bad” became the only credo — leaving the party, as Brooks said of the Trump clan, with “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code” — and no coherent policies for governing.
We have always had in our political culture narcissists, ideologues and flimflammers, but it took the 21st-century GOP to put one in the White House. It took elected leaders such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and the Republican National Committee (not to mention its donors and activists) to wave off Trump’s racists attacks on a federal judge, blatant lies about everything from 9/11 to his own involvement in birtherism, replete evidence of disloyalty to America (i.e. Trump’s “Russia first” policies), misogyny, Islamophobia, ongoing potential violations of the Constitution’s emoluments clause. (along with a mass of conflicts of interests), firing of an FBI director, and now, evidence that the campaign was willing to enlist a foreign power to defeat Clinton in the presidential election.
Out of its collective sense of victimhood came the GOP’s disdain for not just intellectuals but also intellectualism, science, Economics 101, history and constitutional fidelity. If the Trump children became slaves to money and to their father’s unbridled ego, then the GOP became slaves to its own demons and false narratives. A party that has to deny climate change and insist illegal immigrants are creating a crime wave — because that is what “conservatives” must believe, since liberals do not — is a party that will deny Trump’s complicity in gross misconduct. It’s a party as unfit to govern as Trump is unfit to occupy the White House. It’s not by accident that Trump chose to inhabit the party that has defined itself in opposition to reality and to any “external moral truth or ethical code.”

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Jul 17, 2017 14:58:24   #
Nickolai
 
Patsaco1 wrote:
I would still vote for DJT!!! Never trusted Hillary.. As a matter of fact, when we went to vote we showed our ID's and they looked at us as if we had 2 heads!!! We NEED a voter ID. Can't wait for the Dems to implode. And to think I was once a Dem..... Will never vote for another one!





I was a Republican until the mid 1990's would not vote for a Republican even if his or her ass were ringed in gold

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Jul 17, 2017 14:59:27   #
Nickolai
 
JFlorio wrote:
Don't enjoy pulling the lever for most Republicans, but the only other choice I am given is a party that thinks big socialist like government is the answer to every Americans dream. I'd vote for Trump in a heartbeat over anything the left has to offer.






Voting for a New York thug beats any thing I've ever seen before in my life

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Jul 17, 2017 15:07:51   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Nickolai wrote:
I was a Republican until the mid 1990's would not vote for a Republican even if his or her ass were ringed in gold

But you idolize a man whose ass was ringed with other men.

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Jul 17, 2017 15:11:06   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I'll take our NY thug over your (Obama) pussy puppet any day.
Nickolai wrote:
Voting for a New York thug beats any thing I've ever seen before in my life

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Jul 17, 2017 15:11:46   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Wanna know why Trump won?
Trump won it at " birther ". He was the only one who had a microphone to call out obama.
Nothing gets a lefty more squirmingly pissed off than the fact brought up that their Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa Kenya to an expatriate girl getting back at her parents for naming her Stanley.

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Jul 17, 2017 15:34:25   #
S. Maturin
 
Nickolai wrote:
I was a Republican until the mid 1990's would not vote for a Republican even if his or her ass were ringed in gold


"....I was a Republican until the mid 1990's..." We're to believe that, are we?

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Jul 17, 2017 15:35:34   #
Nickolai
 
byronglimish wrote:
There's even less evidence of our President Donald J Trump being voted into the White House by Putin...






That maybe true but there is no way of measuring the affect they had on public opinion. Hillary had a double digit lead in the polls then the hacking of the DNC began and se feel quickly to even Steven in the polls how different is the hacking from the break in at DNC headquarters in the Watergate affair. This is much worse by leaps and bounds and now we have the smoking cannon with the principles of the Trump campaign meeting Russian officials in Trump Tower two weeks after securing the nomination

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