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Jul 3, 2017 21:24:32   #
Sicilianthing
 
They May Try…
But They’ll Never Take Our Freedom!

Independence Day. The 4th of July. This holiday represents FREEDOM. This has to be the most important and symbolic holiday for gun owners. It represents a time when our forefathers were tired of being stripped of their civil and religious liberties so they did something about it.

These heroes fought for the freedom we cherish today and many of them lost their lives doing so.

Days like the 4th of July remind us at The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) what we work so hard for, what we work tirelessly to protect. We believe the founders of this great nation, who formed our 2nd Amendment, would be proud of our efforts to protect it!

SAF lawsuits have overturned anti-gun laws in dozens of major cities and battleground states. Threats of SAF lawsuits have removed well over 350 anti-gun-rights laws across the country as well as stopping hundreds more from being enacted.

SAF has over 20 open legal cases focused on protecting the 2nd Amendment. These cases are being challenged in cities and states all across our United States. These cases are not won quickly; they tend to get drawn out into long, expensive battles.

SAF’s record of legal victories on behalf of the right to keep and bear arms has set the bar for all current and future firearms civil rights litigation.

Our most recent victory occurred when the Supreme Court of the United States declined to review an important SAF case involving firearms rights for individuals convicted of certain non-violent misdemeanor crimes.

The decision allows an earlier favorable ruling for SAF by the Third U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Pennsylvania to stand. In the case of Binderup v. the U.S. Attorney General, the appeals court ruled that individuals convicted of certain non-serious misdemeanor crimes do not lose their fundamental rights under the Second Amendment for life.

We cannot allow government to simply deny constitutionally-delineated rights on such flimsy grounds. While SAF’s goal is winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time, this time we won two!

Together, we can preserve the Constitutional rights our Founding Fathers intended our people to have forever.

Thank you. I know I can count on you.

Sincerely yours,


Alan M. Gottlieb
Founder
Second Amendment Foundation

P.S. Remember, the anti-gunners are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to steal our rights from us -- we need you to help stop them dead in their tracks!

Protect Your Rights Now!

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Jul 4, 2017 00:59:28   #
PeterS
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
They May Try…
But They’ll Never Take Our Freedom!

Independence Day. The 4th of July. This holiday represents FREEDOM. This has to be the most important and symbolic holiday for gun owners. It represents a time when our forefathers were tired of being stripped of their civil and religious liberties so they did something about it.

These heroes fought for the freedom we cherish today and many of them lost their lives doing so.

Days like the 4th of July remind us at The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) what we work so hard for, what we work tirelessly to protect. We believe the founders of this great nation, who formed our 2nd Amendment, would be proud of our efforts to protect it!
They May Try… br But They’ll Never Take Our Freedo... (show quote)


The second amendment was created out of the need to replace the need for a free standing army. Today we have the biggest free standing army in the history of man. What on earth makes you think the founders would be proud of that?

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Jul 4, 2017 01:29:51   #
Rainrider Loc: Lovington NM
 
PeterS wrote:
The second amendment was created out of the need to replace the need for a free standing army. Today we have the biggest free standing army in the history of man. What on earth makes you think the founders would be proud of that?


I do think they would be real happy to know that one thing, stopped Japan from invading, and is now holding back Islame. For being a bunch of intelligent folks, I wonder if they knew just how of what they said was prophetic.

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Jul 4, 2017 09:04:54   #
Snoopy
 
PeterS wrote:
The second amendment was created out of the need to replace the need for a free standing army. Today we have the biggest free standing army in the history of man. What on earth makes you think the founders would be proud of that?


Peter:

The Second Amendment was created to counter-balance the standing army.

It was never intended to replace a standing army.

It provided a means of individual safety.

Snoopy

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Jul 4, 2017 10:03:11   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
The second amendment was created out of the need to replace the need for a free standing army. Today we have the biggest free standing army in the history of man. What on earth makes you think the founders would be proud of that?


>>>>>>

You're close but you still don't get it.

And the Founders will be extremely proud and probably resurrect when we pass the 50State CC and Open carry !

How's that sound ?

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Jul 4, 2017 10:04:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
Rainrider wrote:
I do think they would be real happy to know that one thing, stopped Japan from invading, and is now holding back Islame. For being a bunch of intelligent folks, I wonder if they knew just how of what they said was prophetic.


>>>>>

Bullseye !

They would have also put up the wall a 100 years ago and executed all the Traitors of past who allowed the Immigration stupidity to expand.

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Jul 4, 2017 10:16:32   #
Sicilianthing
 
Snoopy wrote:
Peter:

The Second Amendment was created to counter-balance the standing army.

It was never intended to replace a standing army.

It provided a means of individual safety.

Snoopy


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Right to Bare Arms is my Permit to carry Flat Out ...
SCOTUS has betrayed you and the very Pillar for how all this came to be and preserve !

The 2nd was to protect the 1st from tyrannical assholes like the King and his Traitor Minions among other things.

The 2nd was also to allow the various remote colonies and forming communities to muster a squad, platoon, battalion for Militias in the event the States Turn Traitor and became federalized against the Dissenters as you are seeing today.

The FED agencies are not on your side and are under the War Powers Act (Tyranny) to this day in order to squash an insurrection as Bush Sr, Jr and Obama have all reiterated countless times in their tenures. (This rabbit hole is deep)

The People are truly stupid and I'll put here for the record again: the 9/11 incident was planned a decade before to usher in the Patriot Act - The PatACT (written about 30years ago for NWO agendas) if one chooses to read the whole thing is the greatest stealth encroachment on our Constitution, Bill of Rights, sovereignty ever passed on the Republic since the Revolution.

The 2nd was also to enforce the ethos that a Free Republic could only stand if the peasants had weapons to thwart an invasion by said asshole King and troops, taxing by confiscation, rape, pillage, burn as the English Scumbags have done across time and continue to do, or the Events like 9/11, Muslim Transplantation, Stealth open border immigration, refugee resettlement camping without end dates etc... this timeline is baked in and if the Stupid BAll Scratching citizens could somehow wake up, read, learn and identify the Usual Suspects who concoct all these measures we'd be fighting a revolution today !

I can go on and on but I'm sure you goes get it, I hope.

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Jul 4, 2017 21:47:58   #
PeterS
 
Snoopy wrote:
Peter:

The Second Amendment was created to counter-balance the standing army.

It was never intended to replace a standing army.

It provided a means of individual safety.

Snoopy

No, if you ever read the debate over the second amendment the intent was clearly to replace a free standing army--which the founders saw as a danger to individual liberty.

(the following is the actual debate over the second amendment)

New Hampshire — TENTH, That no standing Army shall be Kept up in time of Peace unless with the consent of three fourths of the Members of each branch of Congress, nor shall Soldiers in Time of Peace be Quartered upon private Houses without the consent of the Owners... TWELFTH Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion.

(I like the part where no man can be disarmed unless they have been in rebellion.)

Virginia — SEVENTEENTH, That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the Community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the Civil power. EIGHTEENTH, That no Soldier in time of peace ought to be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, and in time of war in such manner only as the laws direct. NINETEENTH, That any person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms ought to be exempted upon payment of an equivalent to employ another to bear arms in his stead... (Amendments proposed to the body of the Constitution).... NINTH, that no standing army or regular troops shall be raised or kept up in time of peace, without the consent of two thirds of the members present in both houses. TENTH, That no soldier shall be inlisted for any longer term than four years, except in time of war, and then for no longer term than the continuance of the war. ELEVENTH, That each State respectively shall have the power to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining it's own Militia, whensoever Congress shall omit or neglect to provide for the same. That the Militia shall not be subject to Martial Law, except when in actual service in time of war, invasion, or rebellion; and when not in the actual service of the United States, shall be subject only to such fines, penalties and punishments as shall be directed or inflicted by the laws of its own State.

New York — That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State; that the Militia should not be subject to Martial Law, except in time of War Rebellion or Insurrection. That standing Armies in time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, and ought not to be kept up, except in Cases of necessity; and that at all times, the Military should be under strict Subordination to the Civil Power. That in time of Peace no Soldier ought to be quartered in any House without the consent of the Owner, and in time of War only by the civil Magistrate in such manner as the Laws may direct...that the Militia of any State shall not be compelled to serve without the limits of the State for a longer term than six weeks, without the Consent of the Legislature thereof.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm

This goes on and on with the representatives from each colony making a statement but clearly the purpose of the second amendment, as they saw it, was to provide a well trained militia to take the place of a freestanding army, something that all saw as a danger to the freedom and liberty of the country.

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Jul 4, 2017 22:01:10   #
PeterS
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Right to Bare Arms is my Permit to carry Flat Out ...
SCOTUS has betrayed you and the very Pillar for how all this came to be and preserve !

The 2nd was to protect the 1st from tyrannical assholes like the King and his Traitor Minions among other things.

The 2nd was also to allow the various remote colonies and forming communities to muster a squad, platoon, battalion for Militias in the event the States Turn Traitor and became federalized against the Dissenters as you are seeing today.

The FED agencies are not on your side and are under the War Powers Act (Tyranny) to this day in order to squash an insurrection as Bush Sr, Jr and Obama have all reiterated countless times in their tenures. (This rabbit hole is deep)

The People are truly stupid and I'll put here for the record again: the 9/11 incident was planned a decade before to usher in the Patriot Act - The PatACT (written about 30years ago for NWO agendas) if one chooses to read the whole thing is the greatest stealth encroachment on our Constitution, Bill of Rights, sovereignty ever passed on the Republic since the Revolution.

The 2nd was also to enforce the ethos that a Free Republic could only stand if the peasants had weapons to thwart an invasion by said asshole King and troops, taxing by confiscation, rape, pillage, burn as the English Scumbags have done across time and continue to do, or the Events like 9/11, Muslim Transplantation, Stealth open border immigration, refugee resettlement camping without end dates etc... this timeline is baked in and if the Stupid BAll Scratching citizens could somehow wake up, read, learn and identify the Usual Suspects who concoct all these measures we'd be fighting a revolution today !

I can go on and on but I'm sure you goes get it, I hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g... (show quote)

Yes you can go on and on and on. Sici, below is the actual debate by congress over the second amendment. You should read it. It will at least give you some insight into what the founders were thinking. It won't alter your paranoia just eliminate the truth for you to blame it on...

http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm

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Jul 4, 2017 22:44:37   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
No, if you ever read the debate over the second amendment the intent was clearly to replace a free standing army--which the founders saw as a danger to individual liberty.

(the following is the actual debate over the second amendment)

New Hampshire — TENTH, That no standing Army shall be Kept up in time of Peace unless with the consent of three fourths of the Members of each branch of Congress, nor shall Soldiers in Time of Peace be Quartered upon private Houses without the consent of the Owners... TWELFTH Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion.

(I like the part where no man can be disarmed unless they have been in rebellion.)

Virginia — SEVENTEENTH, That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the Community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the Civil power. EIGHTEENTH, That no Soldier in time of peace ought to be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, and in time of war in such manner only as the laws direct. NINETEENTH, That any person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms ought to be exempted upon payment of an equivalent to employ another to bear arms in his stead... (Amendments proposed to the body of the Constitution).... NINTH, that no standing army or regular troops shall be raised or kept up in time of peace, without the consent of two thirds of the members present in both houses. TENTH, That no soldier shall be inlisted for any longer term than four years, except in time of war, and then for no longer term than the continuance of the war. ELEVENTH, That each State respectively shall have the power to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining it's own Militia, whensoever Congress shall omit or neglect to provide for the same. That the Militia shall not be subject to Martial Law, except when in actual service in time of war, invasion, or rebellion; and when not in the actual service of the United States, shall be subject only to such fines, penalties and punishments as shall be directed or inflicted by the laws of its own State.

New York — That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State; that the Militia should not be subject to Martial Law, except in time of War Rebellion or Insurrection. That standing Armies in time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, and ought not to be kept up, except in Cases of necessity; and that at all times, the Military should be under strict Subordination to the Civil Power. That in time of Peace no Soldier ought to be quartered in any House without the consent of the Owner, and in time of War only by the civil Magistrate in such manner as the Laws may direct...that the Militia of any State shall not be compelled to serve without the limits of the State for a longer term than six weeks, without the Consent of the Legislature thereof.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm

This goes on and on with the representatives from each colony making a statement but clearly the purpose of the second amendment, as they saw it, was to provide a well trained militia to take the place of a freestanding army, something that all saw as a danger to the freedom and liberty of the country.
No, if you ever read the debate over the second am... (show quote)


>>>>

Hmmm

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Jul 4, 2017 22:46:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
Yes you can go on and on and on. Sici, below is the actual debate by congress over the second amendment. You should read it. It will at least give you some insight into what the founders were thinking. It won't alter your paranoia just eliminate the truth for you to blame it on...

http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm


>>>>

Nahhh, been there done that already,

Molon Labe

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Jul 5, 2017 05:50:09   #
Snoopy
 
PeterS wrote:
No, if you ever read the debate over the second amendment the intent was clearly to replace a free standing army--which the founders saw as a danger to individual liberty.

(the following is the actual debate over the second amendment)

New Hampshire — TENTH, That no standing Army shall be Kept up in time of Peace unless with the consent of three fourths of the Members of each branch of Congress, nor shall Soldiers in Time of Peace be Quartered upon private Houses without the consent of the Owners... TWELFTH Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion.

(I like the part where no man can be disarmed unless they have been in rebellion.)

Virginia — SEVENTEENTH, That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the Community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the Civil power. EIGHTEENTH, That no Soldier in time of peace ought to be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, and in time of war in such manner only as the laws direct. NINETEENTH, That any person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms ought to be exempted upon payment of an equivalent to employ another to bear arms in his stead... (Amendments proposed to the body of the Constitution).... NINTH, that no standing army or regular troops shall be raised or kept up in time of peace, without the consent of two thirds of the members present in both houses. TENTH, That no soldier shall be inlisted for any longer term than four years, except in time of war, and then for no longer term than the continuance of the war. ELEVENTH, That each State respectively shall have the power to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining it's own Militia, whensoever Congress shall omit or neglect to provide for the same. That the Militia shall not be subject to Martial Law, except when in actual service in time of war, invasion, or rebellion; and when not in the actual service of the United States, shall be subject only to such fines, penalties and punishments as shall be directed or inflicted by the laws of its own State.

New York — That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State; that the Militia should not be subject to Martial Law, except in time of War Rebellion or Insurrection. That standing Armies in time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, and ought not to be kept up, except in Cases of necessity; and that at all times, the Military should be under strict Subordination to the Civil Power. That in time of Peace no Soldier ought to be quartered in any House without the consent of the Owner, and in time of War only by the civil Magistrate in such manner as the Laws may direct...that the Militia of any State shall not be compelled to serve without the limits of the State for a longer term than six weeks, without the Consent of the Legislature thereof.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm

This goes on and on with the representatives from each colony making a statement but clearly the purpose of the second amendment, as they saw it, was to provide a well trained militia to take the place of a freestanding army, something that all saw as a danger to the freedom and liberty of the country.
No, if you ever read the debate over the second am... (show quote)


Peter:

I'll keep it short and sweet . . . I stand corrected!

Snoopy

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Jul 5, 2017 05:55:39   #
PeterS
 
Snoopy wrote:
Peter:

I'll keep it short and sweet . . . I stand corrected!

Snoopy

Even shorter...thanks.

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Jul 5, 2017 05:58:25   #
PeterS
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>

Nahhh, been there done that already,

Molon Labe

Well, just glad that I bought stock in BodyBag.Com. You are going to make me rich yet. They are made in America too!

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Jul 5, 2017 13:06:04   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, just glad that I bought stock in BodyBag.Com. You are going to make me rich yet. They are made in America too!


>>>>>>

Like I've said before you push from your side and we'll keep pushing from ours, lead fly's both ways and we'll see who ends up dead.

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