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Jul 2, 2017 01:34:07   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
The Continental Congress actually declared independence from England on July 2, 1776. The actual document (The Delaration of Independence) that was finally agreed on took a couple of days longer.


http://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-is-the-real-independence-day-july-2-or-july-4

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Jul 2, 2017 06:19:01   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
The real Independence Day is the day the document was signed and became a legal document. July 4th.

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Jul 2, 2017 06:33:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Huck wrote:
The real Independence Day is the day the document was signed and became a legal document. July 4th.


Be that as it may, the vote upon which the document was based occurred on July 2nd. Independence had been declared. It just took two days for the politicians to decide how to put it into words.

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Jul 2, 2017 06:58:46   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
Yes, but without the signatures, it's hearsay. there is no legal proof who voted for it on July 2nd.

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Jul 2, 2017 07:18:25   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Huck wrote:
Yes, but without the signatures, it's hearsay. there is no legal proof who voted for it on July 2nd.


The vote was held on July 2nd. The votes were recorded in the minutes of the Continental Congress. Here is the link giving the name and state of every representative who voted in favor on July 2nd. The signatures were merely agreement on the wording.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_delegates_to_the_Continental_Congress

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Jul 2, 2017 08:57:03   #
Gatsby
 
Loki wrote:
The Continental Congress actually declared independence from England on July 2, 1776. The actual document (The Delaration of Independence) that was finally agreed on took a couple of days longer.


http://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-is-the-real-independence-day-july-2-or-july-4


If you asked your girlfriend to marry you on the second, and are married on the 4th, which date is your wedding anniversary?

The decision to draft a declaration of independence was made on the 2nd, the first draft was deemed to long on the 3rd,

The final draft was presented, and adopted on the 4th.

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Jul 2, 2017 13:22:17   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Loki wrote:
The vote was held on July 2nd. The votes were recorded in the minutes of the Continental Congress. Here is the link giving the name and state of every representative who voted in favor on July 2nd. The signatures were merely agreement on the wording.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_delegates_to_the_Continental_Congress


Some people will argue with a sign post.

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Jul 2, 2017 14:17:25   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Gatsby wrote:
If you asked your girlfriend to marry you on the second, and are married on the 4th, which date is your wedding anniversary?

The decision to draft a declaration of independence was made on the 2nd, the first draft was deemed to long on the 3rd,

The final draft was presented, and adopted on the 4th.


No, the vote was taken on the 2nd. It became law on the 2nd. It was a done deal on the 2nd. The LAW itself had already been passed. The Declaration of Independence, (one of history's greatest documents) was, at the time, simply the spin they put on it for the voters back home, explaining what had been done and why.
When congress votes a law into existence and the president signs it, it becomes law then, not when the politicians issue a signed statement a few days later to explain their actions.

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Jul 2, 2017 16:45:21   #
emarine
 
Loki wrote:
The Continental Congress actually declared independence from England on July 2, 1776. The actual document (The Delaration of Independence) that was finally agreed on took a couple of days longer.


http://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-is-the-real-independence-day-july-2-or-july-4




Bottom line... I take 4 days off either way...

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Jul 2, 2017 18:41:05   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
emarine wrote:
Bottom line... I take 4 days off either way...


Hell, that goes without saying.

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Jul 3, 2017 09:55:22   #
kcstargoat
 
Loki wrote:
The Continental Congress actually declared independence from England on July 2, 1776. The actual document (The Delaration of Independence) that was finally agreed on took a couple of days longer.


http://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-is-the-real-independence-day-july-2-or-july-4


Big deal.

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Jul 3, 2017 13:45:28   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
kcstargoat wrote:
Big deal.


Some people enjoy historical trivia. Others watch game shows.

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Jul 3, 2017 16:12:10   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Loki wrote:
Some people enjoy historical trivia. Others watch game shows.


Which makes their brain's 'gamey'.

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Jul 3, 2017 16:47:36   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Loki wrote:
Some people enjoy historical trivia. Others watch game shows.


Here's something important about those who signed the document:

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence ? Freedom has a price !

· Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

· Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.

Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well-educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence - knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured!

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots.

It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free! We thank these early patriots, as well as those patriots now fighting to KEEP our freedom! I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many people as you can, please. It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more MEANING to it than beer, fireworks, HOT DOGS, and picnics...

CAN YOU THINK OF MANY CURRENT POLITICIAN THAT WOULD SACRIFICE WHAT THESE MEN DID FOR THEIR COUNTRY…?

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Jul 3, 2017 18:17:42   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
padremike wrote:
Here's something important about those who signed the document:

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence ? Freedom has a price !

· Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

· Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.

Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well-educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence - knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured!

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots.

It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free! We thank these early patriots, as well as those patriots now fighting to KEEP our freedom! I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many people as you can, please. It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more MEANING to it than beer, fireworks, HOT DOGS, and picnics...

CAN YOU THINK OF MANY CURRENT POLITICIAN THAT WOULD SACRIFICE WHAT THESE MEN DID FOR THEIR COUNTRY…?
Here's something important about those who signed ... (show quote)


Current Politicians? Who are you kidding? Most of those bastards wouldn't even give up their parking space.

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