Is Health care a right? It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking...

EmilyStrode

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

EmilyStrode

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or the dust storms in the 30s. Or the millions of Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff, a vote, was the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

EmilyStrode

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

solarkin

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

Health care is not a right,but a necessity.
If we were unable to care for one another
then our species would not exist.
Long before pharmaceutical factories,
Dentists, Surgeons ,doctors and MD's,
There were members of every Community
That acted,and practiced,and dedicated theirselves and the offspring, to caring for, and treating the ailments presenting.
We as a species did not make it this far because of Humana,or Aetna or blue Cross
We only survive, because our genome recalls what needs to be done.
We are children of Terra Firma.
Not! , Glaxo ,/Smith Kline/Velcome.

EmilyStrode

solarkin wrote:

Health care is not a right,but a necessity. br If... (show quote)

Funny, well presented, and good. You are a decent man.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Oh boy. Hardly no where to start. Healthcare is not a right. It is a civilized societies obligation. There is a difference, though subtle. If you make healthcare a right you can then legally force someone to take care of someone else. Not very American. Why shouldn't housing be a right ? What about transportation? The 23 million figure losing coverage is BS. That figure includes many who will voluntarily not buy healthcare. Hey why aren't you complaining about the millions losing coverage because your party. (Democrats) passed an unworkable bill. Today Bluecross announced they are dropping Obamacare. Premiums in much of the country just announced to go up 105%. What is your parties solution? Nothing. Just whine and cry like they always do. You guys blame Trump for a bill passed by Democrats supported by a socialist president that is imploding. I don't even like Trump but I believe in the truth. By the way, pulling oneself up by your bootstraps is called having a work ethic. Something this government is robbing from our populace with easy benefits or bribes you might say. Another misnomer you are repeating. . Trump cutting Medicaire. I wish. I wish every single govt program was being reduced before we saddle the next generation with no growth and debt they can never escape from. The budget Trump proposes is $4 trillion dollars. Do you have a clue how much money that is? It's the largest budget ever proposed. Only a liberal could call the reduction in the rate of growth of a program a cut. Just once I'd like to hear a politician or liberal say thanks. Thanks to the guy who gets up everyday and goes to work. Thanks to the mom who gets the kids off to school then goes to her job. You know the real Americans that pay for many of the benefits able bodied Americans can receive. If you don't believe me go hangout at the Social Security office sometime. I know a guard there. He can't believe the number of young men and women getting disability because they are fat and or mentally unfit. This is the America you guys on the left want. When all the freebies run out you'll be the compassionate group riotig and melting down.

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

emarine

EmilyStrode wrote:

Funny, well presented, and good. You are a decent man.

healthcare is a necessity for all... even in a free marketplace there comes a point where profits over people is just wrong ...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Could you please show me where Jesus said healthcare is a right?

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

EmilyStrode

JFlorio wrote:

Could you please show me where Jesus said healthcare is a right?

No. It is as you said, by him, an obligation for all Christians will be judged as how they treat "the
least of these." Yet basic human right implies an obligation, without force. Right exults it as natural; obligation makes it a rule.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

EmilyStrode wrote:

No. It is as you said, by him, an obligation for all Christians will be judged as how they treat "the
least of these." Yet basic human right implies an obligation, without force. Right exults it as natural; obligation makes it a rule.

Jesus said we are our brothers keeper. Not the government.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

EmilyStrode wrote:

No. It is as you said, by him, an obligation for all Christians will be judged as how they treat "the
least of these." Yet basic human right implies an obligation, without force. Right exults it as natural; obligation makes it a rule.

Interesting. Using your argument the individual would be solely responsible for his healthcare. If the other way around do you believe healthcare professionals will take care of everyone whether they can make a living at it or not? Just because they feel they are obligated.

EmilyStrode

JFlorio wrote:

Jesus said we are our brothers keeper. Not the government.

Did he forbid the government? Is there anywhere in the Bible that restricts a government from health care? When the Jews asked for a king, God tried to dissuade them. A king meant government down, not up as to the Lord. The Jews persisted in this request and God relented, as usual.

eden

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

Yes in the sense that hospitals cannot deny care to a person in need it is a right. Just like police and fire protection is a right, and national defense. The tax paying citizens of this country are entitled to certain services for their taxes paid and basic health care should be one of them. Since everybody in the country pays taxes in some form or another this should be all inclusive.
This is a many faceted and complex issue that really requires a much larger forum than this so I don't want to oversimplify, but imagine a future phone conversation if this mentality is allowed to proliferate:

(You - calling 911)..."hey can you send police, someone has broken into my garage and I can hear him opening my tool boxes"

(911 Operator) ..."do you have Crime Insurance? If you don't we can send 2 officers but that will be 1500.00 for the call and includes apprehension if the perpetrators can be apprehended onsite.

(You)..."WTF?"

(Operator) ... Follow up investigation by one Detective would be 7500.00 for a week of work,
But an arrest is not guaranteed.

(You) ..."hey wait a minute..."

(Operator)..."plus applicable state and federal taxes"...

(You)..."but I thought..."

(Operator)..." we take Visa, MasterCard, Amex or Discovery over the phone...no personal checks"...

EmilyStrode

eden wrote:

Yes in the sense that hospitals cannot deny care t... (show quote)

Very funny.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

EmilyStrode wrote:

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue for government subsidized health care. It appears many say no just based on an objection about socialism taking a place in America. Almost all modern governments have realized it is a mix of capitalism and socialism that is most successful. And it is proven. Not the strict definition of "socialism" but of incorporating certain welfare programs.

Almost all that usually object can afford private insurance. The ignorant "Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" Social Darwinism is fundamental to this view, as if the Rustbelt employees were somehow responsible for their fate in the 70s. Or those in the dust storms of the 30s. Or the million Americans hoodwinked and ruined by the feeding frenzy of Banks and Wall Street in the 2008 Financial Crisis, that almost destroyed America, were somehow culpable in their Fate and did not deserve welfare, food stamps, or any help from the government that helped in creating their Fate.

The general GOP look at this situation appears to be that most are bottom-feeders looking to live off the teat and for Democrats a vote-base. That most are children and the elderly on fixed incomes or disabled is never mentioned. Just yesterday a Republican said most on SSI were cheats, and most of those live in heavy Trump support states. Reagan started this warped view with his scurrilous remarks about "Welfare queens" and "young bucks." And the Democrats fueled their support, their base, with extensive largesse without guidance. All the needy, most made so by government policy, were then cast as scum or special, overlooking the reality. Letting them starve or suffer might get them off their ass, was the GOP thought. Freely giving them stuff was a vote, the Democrats thought. Neither saw people or the real problem. Both took advantage of this nation's disadvantaged.

You may like being lied to and find excuses for it, I do not. Trump promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security: his proposed budget guts Medicaid and severely damages SSI. He said unequivocally that "everybody would be covered": under his health care plan an estimated 23 million will lose coverage. This goes way beyond partisanship to basic decency and honor.

For me, health care is a right. Any decent and just government should provide such care. No excuse or higher priorities. Not to is a disgrace and a crime. We are not subjects, as previous regimes in history believed, but citizens. We are not cogs to maintain, strengthen, and enhance our governing bodies but the government as we the people. The thought "entitlement" will, I feel, become a vile term in a few decades. With a proper evolution in thinking, the word "obligation" will replace it. The odds are shrinking, though, for this awareness. If we continue on this blind destructive path of nationalism and populism that is sweeping the globe, governments of hate and fear, reactionary and not responsive, worldwide conflict and a return to feudalism seems inescapable.

To consider Health Care a right is one of those electrifying concepts that, once accepted and acted upon, would exponentially improve the state of the world. It is what Jesus and Buddha taught. The transformation in consciousness would be tremendous and irrevocable. That any government is not there to rule people but care for people as their proper function and duty, will light every heart on fire for a government for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It is, as I have read, a very complicated issue fo... (show quote)

Government, you say, is formed to "care for people?" Well hell! Goodbye America! I had the honor of living in you when you had a huge majority of responsible and descent people. Not the case today. Perhaps we do need nationalized, taxpayer paid health care for everyone because, America, you are one sick son of a bitch. With $20 Trillion in debt the truth remains we cannot afford national health care. It absolutely is a question of death; the death of a nation or the death of those who cannot or will not provide for themself or families. There seems to be a relationship between the traditional American work ethic, acceptance of personal responsibility, and a nanny socialist state mentality. Damn all of you who have helped to destroy the greatest nation in human history especially those of you who use Jesus to emphasize your point while tolerating the murder of unborn children by the millions under the guise of women's health care. Who advocate or permit every hedonistic practice imaginable as a right. Yes! America deserves her impending death.