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Apr 24, 2017 22:48:36   #
Sicilianthing
 
Posted on April 19, 2017
by John Myers


No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. James Madison

If America grew nostalgic for undertaking Middle Eastern wars in the years following two Bush administrations, all they had to do was elect Jeb. Instead the country chose Donald Trump, a man with such ambitions and ego that he no doubt likens himself to a 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt.

Bully, say the old Republican guard cheering on the presidents missile strike on Syria and bomb drop on Afghanistan. Attacking the Syrian airbase endangered Russian personnel while the biggest conventional bomb crushed jihadists in a catacomb of Afghan tunnels. Both were a startling change from former President Barack Obamas old lady leadership. More importantly, they reveal a startling foreign policy shift in the Trump administration.

For Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump is now a bona fide member of the Republican Party; the Party of George W. Bush who days after 9/11 said: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.

It has been 14 years since American tanks rolled through Iraq, and it seems possible the whole region will implode.

In the late 1990s, American neocons didnt appreciate how easy it was to start a war and how difficult it was to end one. America is still bogged down in Afghanistan, the second longest war in our history. That is not what the Pentagon envisioned during the immediate aftermath of Vietnam. America was to have fewer military interventions.

The birth of Pax Americana

With the collapse of the Soviet Union the neoconservative movement was born, and in less than a decade their influence on Washington grew.

In 1997 William Kristol and Robert Kagan created the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit think tank. Their stated objective was to promote American global leadership.

In 1996, Kristol and Kagan co-authored an article in Foreign Affairs titled, Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy. In the article, they asserted that American conservatives were adrift on foreign policy. To right the ship of state they championed a more elevated vision of Americas international role. They wrote that Americas role in the world should be that of a benevolent global hegemony.

Brilliant minds no doubt, but without an iota of common sense. Individuals act with benevolence, nations do not; particularly not empires.

No one seemed to consider this and the neocons had a dominating presence in the Bush II administration. Opportunity fell onto their laps just as the Twin Towers were falling that September morning in 2001. An outraged and shocked nation was a perfect precursor for the neocons that included Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. These men and their neocon confederates saw opportunity in tragedy. They would shape George W.s foreign policies over the objections of moderates in the administration like Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

For the neocons, 9/11 was like winning the lotto. Suddenly they were making decisions for the president; they determined how and where to use hard power to overhaul the Middle East. Their long-term objective was to turn the Persian Gulf into the French Riviera. The Middle East was to conform to neocon blueprints, even though there is no history there of democracy, which became intrinsic to Europe only after 400 years of resistance and wars.

The neocons never considered how the populace of more than 300 million people in the region would feel about Democracy given 1,000 years of religious tribalism and a lifetime of learning the preachings of the prophet. Too many are maniacal Muslims who spend a life of daily instruction from the Quran, the holy book that includes this verse: Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.

It should be no surprise that America has not shown one iota of progress in the Middle East after 14 years. Life is full of second chances, and the neocons may have found theirs in a back alley deal with President Trump. But the Middle East has been Americas nightmare, and regardless of how much the neoconservatives want to see that change, I am convinced that far worse times are ahead.

Candidate Jekyll, President Hyde

Three thousand Americans died on 9/11, an attack born out of Osama bin Ladens need to avenge the scandal of Americas military bases on Arab lands (Saudi Arabia) in 1990-91. Two thousand Americans have been killed in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. The cost of the two wars is just under $5 trillion, or one quarter of the current U.S. federal debt. That was all the debt the federal government had accumulated from 1789 to 1997.

President Donald Trump promised to make America great again. He spoke of an America at peace at home and abroad. He spoke of making America the economic dynamo that it had once been and an America in which foreign policy no longer stumbled along aimlessly. Trump campaigned on that and as recently as April 5 that was his message. On that day he told a group of American workers that he does not want to be president of the world.

I believe the powers that operate the United States, the oligarchy that directs Americas foreign policy, has reeled Trump in by showing him a future where he would be constantly besieged by a hostile media that would stir never-ending protests, their objective nothing short of his impeachment. The real power brokers have Trump just where they want him; desperate enough to give in to the neocons continued lunacy of more war, more weapons and more money for the petroleum industry and defense and technology corporations.

On April 10 the Website Consortiumnews.com ran the headline: Neocons Have Trump on His Knees.

The story read:

After slapping Donald Trump around for several months to make him surrender his hopes for a more cooperative relationship with Russia, the neocons and their liberal-interventionist allies are now telling the battered President what he must do next: escalate war in the Middle East and ratchet up tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

Star neocon Robert Kagan spelled out Trumps future assignments in a column on Sunday in The Washington Post, starting out by patting the chastened President on the head for his decision to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles at an airstrip in Syria supposedly in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government (although no serious investigation was even conducted).

Trump earned widespread plaudits for his decisive action and his heart-on-the-sleeve humanitarianism as his voice filled with emotion citing the chemical-weapons deaths on April 4 of small children and even beautiful little babies.

However, for Kagan, the missile strike was only a good start. An advocate for regime change in Syria and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century which pushed for the Iraq War, Kagan praised Trump for doing what the Obama administration refused to do, i.e. involve the U.S. military directly in attacks on the Syrian government.

The endgame for the neocons is for the United States to reassert itself as the worlds sole superpower. The early evidence is Trump is morphing his foreign policy to replicate President George W. Bush. Trumps bosses will insist on a continuation of dtente with China and aggressive actions against Syria and its benefactor Russia.

Plans have been made to install a pro-American regime in Syria that will replace Bashar al-Assad, who has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. The only glimmer of light in this black bank of clouds is that the neocons have made the Democrats look like fools over their conspiracy propaganda that Putin and Trump were in cahoots.

I knew Trump would be nothing like Obama. What I didnt know is that he would adopt the failed neoconservative policies of George W. Bush.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers





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Apr 25, 2017 01:54:42   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
You may just be right
Sicilianthing wrote:
Posted on April 19, 2017
by John Myers


No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. James Madison

If America grew nostalgic for undertaking Middle Eastern wars in the years following two Bush administrations, all they had to do was elect Jeb. Instead the country chose Donald Trump, a man with such ambitions and ego that he no doubt likens himself to a 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt.

Bully, say the old Republican guard cheering on the presidents missile strike on Syria and bomb drop on Afghanistan. Attacking the Syrian airbase endangered Russian personnel while the biggest conventional bomb crushed jihadists in a catacomb of Afghan tunnels. Both were a startling change from former President Barack Obamas old lady leadership. More importantly, they reveal a startling foreign policy shift in the Trump administration.

For Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump is now a bona fide member of the Republican Party; the Party of George W. Bush who days after 9/11 said: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.

It has been 14 years since American tanks rolled through Iraq, and it seems possible the whole region will implode.

In the late 1990s, American neocons didnt appreciate how easy it was to start a war and how difficult it was to end one. America is still bogged down in Afghanistan, the second longest war in our history. That is not what the Pentagon envisioned during the immediate aftermath of Vietnam. America was to have fewer military interventions.

The birth of Pax Americana

With the collapse of the Soviet Union the neoconservative movement was born, and in less than a decade their influence on Washington grew.

In 1997 William Kristol and Robert Kagan created the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit think tank. Their stated objective was to promote American global leadership.

In 1996, Kristol and Kagan co-authored an article in Foreign Affairs titled, Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy. In the article, they asserted that American conservatives were adrift on foreign policy. To right the ship of state they championed a more elevated vision of Americas international role. They wrote that Americas role in the world should be that of a benevolent global hegemony.

Brilliant minds no doubt, but without an iota of common sense. Individuals act with benevolence, nations do not; particularly not empires.

No one seemed to consider this and the neocons had a dominating presence in the Bush II administration. Opportunity fell onto their laps just as the Twin Towers were falling that September morning in 2001. An outraged and shocked nation was a perfect precursor for the neocons that included Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. These men and their neocon confederates saw opportunity in tragedy. They would shape George W.s foreign policies over the objections of moderates in the administration like Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

For the neocons, 9/11 was like winning the lotto. Suddenly they were making decisions for the president; they determined how and where to use hard power to overhaul the Middle East. Their long-term objective was to turn the Persian Gulf into the French Riviera. The Middle East was to conform to neocon blueprints, even though there is no history there of democracy, which became intrinsic to Europe only after 400 years of resistance and wars.

The neocons never considered how the populace of more than 300 million people in the region would feel about Democracy given 1,000 years of religious tribalism and a lifetime of learning the preachings of the prophet. Too many are maniacal Muslims who spend a life of daily instruction from the Quran, the holy book that includes this verse: Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.

It should be no surprise that America has not shown one iota of progress in the Middle East after 14 years. Life is full of second chances, and the neocons may have found theirs in a back alley deal with President Trump. But the Middle East has been Americas nightmare, and regardless of how much the neoconservatives want to see that change, I am convinced that far worse times are ahead.

Candidate Jekyll, President Hyde

Three thousand Americans died on 9/11, an attack born out of Osama bin Ladens need to avenge the scandal of Americas military bases on Arab lands (Saudi Arabia) in 1990-91. Two thousand Americans have been killed in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. The cost of the two wars is just under $5 trillion, or one quarter of the current U.S. federal debt. That was all the debt the federal government had accumulated from 1789 to 1997.

President Donald Trump promised to make America great again. He spoke of an America at peace at home and abroad. He spoke of making America the economic dynamo that it had once been and an America in which foreign policy no longer stumbled along aimlessly. Trump campaigned on that and as recently as April 5 that was his message. On that day he told a group of American workers that he does not want to be president of the world.

I believe the powers that operate the United States, the oligarchy that directs Americas foreign policy, has reeled Trump in by showing him a future where he would be constantly besieged by a hostile media that would stir never-ending protests, their objective nothing short of his impeachment. The real power brokers have Trump just where they want him; desperate enough to give in to the neocons continued lunacy of more war, more weapons and more money for the petroleum industry and defense and technology corporations.

On April 10 the Website Consortiumnews.com ran the headline: Neocons Have Trump on His Knees.

The story read:

After slapping Donald Trump around for several months to make him surrender his hopes for a more cooperative relationship with Russia, the neocons and their liberal-interventionist allies are now telling the battered President what he must do next: escalate war in the Middle East and ratchet up tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

Star neocon Robert Kagan spelled out Trumps future assignments in a column on Sunday in The Washington Post, starting out by patting the chastened President on the head for his decision to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles at an airstrip in Syria supposedly in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government (although no serious investigation was even conducted).

Trump earned widespread plaudits for his decisive action and his heart-on-the-sleeve humanitarianism as his voice filled with emotion citing the chemical-weapons deaths on April 4 of small children and even beautiful little babies.

However, for Kagan, the missile strike was only a good start. An advocate for regime change in Syria and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century which pushed for the Iraq War, Kagan praised Trump for doing what the Obama administration refused to do, i.e. involve the U.S. military directly in attacks on the Syrian government.

The endgame for the neocons is for the United States to reassert itself as the worlds sole superpower. The early evidence is Trump is morphing his foreign policy to replicate President George W. Bush. Trumps bosses will insist on a continuation of dtente with China and aggressive actions against Syria and its benefactor Russia.

Plans have been made to install a pro-American regime in Syria that will replace Bashar al-Assad, who has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. The only glimmer of light in this black bank of clouds is that the neocons have made the Democrats look like fools over their conspiracy propaganda that Putin and Trump were in cahoots.

I knew Trump would be nothing like Obama. What I didnt know is that he would adopt the failed neoconservative policies of George W. Bush.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Posted on April 19, 2017 br by John Myers br br ... (show quote)



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Apr 25, 2017 03:05:07   #
PeterS
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Posted on April 19, 2017
by John Myers


No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. James Madison

If America grew nostalgic for undertaking Middle Eastern wars in the years following two Bush administrations, all they had to do was elect Jeb. Instead the country chose Donald Trump, a man with such ambitions and ego that he no doubt likens himself to a 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt.

Bully, say the old Republican guard cheering on the presidents missile strike on Syria and bomb drop on Afghanistan. Attacking the Syrian airbase endangered Russian personnel while the biggest conventional bomb crushed jihadists in a catacomb of Afghan tunnels. Both were a startling change from former President Barack Obamas old lady leadership. More importantly, they reveal a startling foreign policy shift in the Trump administration.

For Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump is now a bona fide member of the Republican Party; the Party of George W. Bush who days after 9/11 said: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.

It has been 14 years since American tanks rolled through Iraq, and it seems possible the whole region will implode.

In the late 1990s, American neocons didnt appreciate how easy it was to start a war and how difficult it was to end one. America is still bogged down in Afghanistan, the second longest war in our history. That is not what the Pentagon envisioned during the immediate aftermath of Vietnam. America was to have fewer military interventions.

The birth of Pax Americana

With the collapse of the Soviet Union the neoconservative movement was born, and in less than a decade their influence on Washington grew.

In 1997 William Kristol and Robert Kagan created the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit think tank. Their stated objective was to promote American global leadership.

In 1996, Kristol and Kagan co-authored an article in Foreign Affairs titled, Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy. In the article, they asserted that American conservatives were adrift on foreign policy. To right the ship of state they championed a more elevated vision of Americas international role. They wrote that Americas role in the world should be that of a benevolent global hegemony.

Brilliant minds no doubt, but without an iota of common sense. Individuals act with benevolence, nations do not; particularly not empires.

No one seemed to consider this and the neocons had a dominating presence in the Bush II administration. Opportunity fell onto their laps just as the Twin Towers were falling that September morning in 2001. An outraged and shocked nation was a perfect precursor for the neocons that included Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. These men and their neocon confederates saw opportunity in tragedy. They would shape George W.s foreign policies over the objections of moderates in the administration like Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

For the neocons, 9/11 was like winning the lotto. Suddenly they were making decisions for the president; they determined how and where to use hard power to overhaul the Middle East. Their long-term objective was to turn the Persian Gulf into the French Riviera. The Middle East was to conform to neocon blueprints, even though there is no history there of democracy, which became intrinsic to Europe only after 400 years of resistance and wars.

The neocons never considered how the populace of more than 300 million people in the region would feel about Democracy given 1,000 years of religious tribalism and a lifetime of learning the preachings of the prophet. Too many are maniacal Muslims who spend a life of daily instruction from the Quran, the holy book that includes this verse: Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.

It should be no surprise that America has not shown one iota of progress in the Middle East after 14 years. Life is full of second chances, and the neocons may have found theirs in a back alley deal with President Trump. But the Middle East has been Americas nightmare, and regardless of how much the neoconservatives want to see that change, I am convinced that far worse times are ahead.

Candidate Jekyll, President Hyde

Three thousand Americans died on 9/11, an attack born out of Osama bin Ladens need to avenge the scandal of Americas military bases on Arab lands (Saudi Arabia) in 1990-91. Two thousand Americans have been killed in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. The cost of the two wars is just under $5 trillion, or one quarter of the current U.S. federal debt. That was all the debt the federal government had accumulated from 1789 to 1997.

President Donald Trump promised to make America great again. He spoke of an America at peace at home and abroad. He spoke of making America the economic dynamo that it had once been and an America in which foreign policy no longer stumbled along aimlessly. Trump campaigned on that and as recently as April 5 that was his message. On that day he told a group of American workers that he does not want to be president of the world.

I believe the powers that operate the United States, the oligarchy that directs Americas foreign policy, has reeled Trump in by showing him a future where he would be constantly besieged by a hostile media that would stir never-ending protests, their objective nothing short of his impeachment. The real power brokers have Trump just where they want him; desperate enough to give in to the neocons continued lunacy of more war, more weapons and more money for the petroleum industry and defense and technology corporations.

On April 10 the Website Consortiumnews.com ran the headline: Neocons Have Trump on His Knees.

The story read:

After slapping Donald Trump around for several months to make him surrender his hopes for a more cooperative relationship with Russia, the neocons and their liberal-interventionist allies are now telling the battered President what he must do next: escalate war in the Middle East and ratchet up tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

Star neocon Robert Kagan spelled out Trumps future assignments in a column on Sunday in The Washington Post, starting out by patting the chastened President on the head for his decision to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles at an airstrip in Syria supposedly in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government (although no serious investigation was even conducted).

Trump earned widespread plaudits for his decisive action and his heart-on-the-sleeve humanitarianism as his voice filled with emotion citing the chemical-weapons deaths on April 4 of small children and even beautiful little babies.

However, for Kagan, the missile strike was only a good start. An advocate for regime change in Syria and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century which pushed for the Iraq War, Kagan praised Trump for doing what the Obama administration refused to do, i.e. involve the U.S. military directly in attacks on the Syrian government.

The endgame for the neocons is for the United States to reassert itself as the worlds sole superpower. The early evidence is Trump is morphing his foreign policy to replicate President George W. Bush. Trumps bosses will insist on a continuation of dtente with China and aggressive actions against Syria and its benefactor Russia.

Plans have been made to install a pro-American regime in Syria that will replace Bashar al-Assad, who has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. The only glimmer of light in this black bank of clouds is that the neocons have made the Democrats look like fools over their conspiracy propaganda that Putin and Trump were in cahoots.

I knew Trump would be nothing like Obama. What I didnt know is that he would adopt the failed neoconservative policies of George W. Bush.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Posted on April 19, 2017 br by John Myers br br ... (show quote)

I get confused trying to keep up with you guys but aren't neocons currently out of vogue so isn't this good?

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Apr 25, 2017 05:41:19   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
I get confused trying to keep up with you guys but aren't neocons currently out of vogue so isn't this good?


You are easily confused; but in this case, neocons is not a good thing. The problem is there isn't a really definitive definition of neocon. Lindsey Grahamnesty is a war-mongering asswipe. If you use him for a stereotype, then a necon is an interventionist who favors the United States sticking our nose into everyone else's business while we merge with Mexico and Canada as one nation. You will probably have trouble admitting that a lot of Democrats would qualify as neocons also.

Reply
Apr 25, 2017 08:31:42   #
Rivers
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Posted on April 19, 2017
by John Myers


No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. James Madison

If America grew nostalgic for undertaking Middle Eastern wars in the years following two Bush administrations, all they had to do was elect Jeb. Instead the country chose Donald Trump, a man with such ambitions and ego that he no doubt likens himself to a 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt.

Bully, say the old Republican guard cheering on the presidents missile strike on Syria and bomb drop on Afghanistan. Attacking the Syrian airbase endangered Russian personnel while the biggest conventional bomb crushed jihadists in a catacomb of Afghan tunnels. Both were a startling change from former President Barack Obamas old lady leadership. More importantly, they reveal a startling foreign policy shift in the Trump administration.

For Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump is now a bona fide member of the Republican Party; the Party of George W. Bush who days after 9/11 said: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.

It has been 14 years since American tanks rolled through Iraq, and it seems possible the whole region will implode.

In the late 1990s, American neocons didnt appreciate how easy it was to start a war and how difficult it was to end one. America is still bogged down in Afghanistan, the second longest war in our history. That is not what the Pentagon envisioned during the immediate aftermath of Vietnam. America was to have fewer military interventions.

The birth of Pax Americana

With the collapse of the Soviet Union the neoconservative movement was born, and in less than a decade their influence on Washington grew.

In 1997 William Kristol and Robert Kagan created the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit think tank. Their stated objective was to promote American global leadership.

In 1996, Kristol and Kagan co-authored an article in Foreign Affairs titled, Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy. In the article, they asserted that American conservatives were adrift on foreign policy. To right the ship of state they championed a more elevated vision of Americas international role. They wrote that Americas role in the world should be that of a benevolent global hegemony.

Brilliant minds no doubt, but without an iota of common sense. Individuals act with benevolence, nations do not; particularly not empires.

No one seemed to consider this and the neocons had a dominating presence in the Bush II administration. Opportunity fell onto their laps just as the Twin Towers were falling that September morning in 2001. An outraged and shocked nation was a perfect precursor for the neocons that included Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. These men and their neocon confederates saw opportunity in tragedy. They would shape George W.s foreign policies over the objections of moderates in the administration like Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

For the neocons, 9/11 was like winning the lotto. Suddenly they were making decisions for the president; they determined how and where to use hard power to overhaul the Middle East. Their long-term objective was to turn the Persian Gulf into the French Riviera. The Middle East was to conform to neocon blueprints, even though there is no history there of democracy, which became intrinsic to Europe only after 400 years of resistance and wars.

The neocons never considered how the populace of more than 300 million people in the region would feel about Democracy given 1,000 years of religious tribalism and a lifetime of learning the preachings of the prophet. Too many are maniacal Muslims who spend a life of daily instruction from the Quran, the holy book that includes this verse: Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.

It should be no surprise that America has not shown one iota of progress in the Middle East after 14 years. Life is full of second chances, and the neocons may have found theirs in a back alley deal with President Trump. But the Middle East has been Americas nightmare, and regardless of how much the neoconservatives want to see that change, I am convinced that far worse times are ahead.

Candidate Jekyll, President Hyde

Three thousand Americans died on 9/11, an attack born out of Osama bin Ladens need to avenge the scandal of Americas military bases on Arab lands (Saudi Arabia) in 1990-91. Two thousand Americans have been killed in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. The cost of the two wars is just under $5 trillion, or one quarter of the current U.S. federal debt. That was all the debt the federal government had accumulated from 1789 to 1997.

President Donald Trump promised to make America great again. He spoke of an America at peace at home and abroad. He spoke of making America the economic dynamo that it had once been and an America in which foreign policy no longer stumbled along aimlessly. Trump campaigned on that and as recently as April 5 that was his message. On that day he told a group of American workers that he does not want to be president of the world.

I believe the powers that operate the United States, the oligarchy that directs Americas foreign policy, has reeled Trump in by showing him a future where he would be constantly besieged by a hostile media that would stir never-ending protests, their objective nothing short of his impeachment. The real power brokers have Trump just where they want him; desperate enough to give in to the neocons continued lunacy of more war, more weapons and more money for the petroleum industry and defense and technology corporations.

On April 10 the Website Consortiumnews.com ran the headline: Neocons Have Trump on His Knees.

The story read:

After slapping Donald Trump around for several months to make him surrender his hopes for a more cooperative relationship with Russia, the neocons and their liberal-interventionist allies are now telling the battered President what he must do next: escalate war in the Middle East and ratchet up tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

Star neocon Robert Kagan spelled out Trumps future assignments in a column on Sunday in The Washington Post, starting out by patting the chastened President on the head for his decision to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles at an airstrip in Syria supposedly in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government (although no serious investigation was even conducted).

Trump earned widespread plaudits for his decisive action and his heart-on-the-sleeve humanitarianism as his voice filled with emotion citing the chemical-weapons deaths on April 4 of small children and even beautiful little babies.

However, for Kagan, the missile strike was only a good start. An advocate for regime change in Syria and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century which pushed for the Iraq War, Kagan praised Trump for doing what the Obama administration refused to do, i.e. involve the U.S. military directly in attacks on the Syrian government.

The endgame for the neocons is for the United States to reassert itself as the worlds sole superpower. The early evidence is Trump is morphing his foreign policy to replicate President George W. Bush. Trumps bosses will insist on a continuation of dtente with China and aggressive actions against Syria and its benefactor Russia.

Plans have been made to install a pro-American regime in Syria that will replace Bashar al-Assad, who has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. The only glimmer of light in this black bank of clouds is that the neocons have made the Democrats look like fools over their conspiracy propaganda that Putin and Trump were in cahoots.

I knew Trump would be nothing like Obama. What I didnt know is that he would adopt the failed neoconservative policies of George W. Bush.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Posted on April 19, 2017 br by John Myers br br ... (show quote)


You Still don't know anything about Trump, yet I bet you voted for him. Trump is not an ideologue, he is neither a conservative or a liberal. he has no political philosophy. I said from the start that he will piss off both sides. Trump will do what he thinks is best for America.

If he accomplishes nothing more than getting Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS and ensuring that the incompetent corrupt liar Hillary was not elected is enough for me. You can call Trump a neo-con, or whatever, but he is his own man, and has no political agenda....and, he is NOT George W. Bush.

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Apr 25, 2017 08:32:06   #
Rivers
 
Loki wrote:
You are easily confused; but in this case, neocons is not a good thing. The problem is there isn't a really definitive definition of neocon. Lindsey Grahamnesty is a war-mongering asswipe. If you use him for a stereotype, then a necon is an interventionist who favors the United States sticking our nose into everyone else's business while we merge with Mexico and Canada as one nation. You will probably have trouble admitting that a lot of Democrats would qualify as neocons also.



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Apr 25, 2017 09:04:22   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Loki wrote:
You are easily confused; but in this case, neocons is not a good thing. The problem is there isn't a really definitive definition of neocon. Lindsey Grahamnesty is a war-mongering asswipe. If you use him for a stereotype, then a necon is an interventionist who favors the United States sticking our nose into everyone else's business while we merge with Mexico and Canada as one nation. You will probably have trouble admitting that a lot of Democrats would qualify as neocons also.
I am glad I just go to work and worry about what's for dinner------ I'm a sell out to my stomach

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Apr 25, 2017 09:39:07   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Posted on April 19, 2017
by John Myers


No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. James Madison

If America grew nostalgic for undertaking Middle Eastern wars in the years following two Bush administrations, all they had to do was elect Jeb. Instead the country chose Donald Trump, a man with such ambitions and ego that he no doubt likens himself to a 21st Century Teddy Roosevelt.

Bully, say the old Republican guard cheering on the presidents missile strike on Syria and bomb drop on Afghanistan. Attacking the Syrian airbase endangered Russian personnel while the biggest conventional bomb crushed jihadists in a catacomb of Afghan tunnels. Both were a startling change from former President Barack Obamas old lady leadership. More importantly, they reveal a startling foreign policy shift in the Trump administration.

For Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump is now a bona fide member of the Republican Party; the Party of George W. Bush who days after 9/11 said: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.

It has been 14 years since American tanks rolled through Iraq, and it seems possible the whole region will implode.

In the late 1990s, American neocons didnt appreciate how easy it was to start a war and how difficult it was to end one. America is still bogged down in Afghanistan, the second longest war in our history. That is not what the Pentagon envisioned during the immediate aftermath of Vietnam. America was to have fewer military interventions.

The birth of Pax Americana

With the collapse of the Soviet Union the neoconservative movement was born, and in less than a decade their influence on Washington grew.

In 1997 William Kristol and Robert Kagan created the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit think tank. Their stated objective was to promote American global leadership.

In 1996, Kristol and Kagan co-authored an article in Foreign Affairs titled, Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy. In the article, they asserted that American conservatives were adrift on foreign policy. To right the ship of state they championed a more elevated vision of Americas international role. They wrote that Americas role in the world should be that of a benevolent global hegemony.

Brilliant minds no doubt, but without an iota of common sense. Individuals act with benevolence, nations do not; particularly not empires.

No one seemed to consider this and the neocons had a dominating presence in the Bush II administration. Opportunity fell onto their laps just as the Twin Towers were falling that September morning in 2001. An outraged and shocked nation was a perfect precursor for the neocons that included Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. These men and their neocon confederates saw opportunity in tragedy. They would shape George W.s foreign policies over the objections of moderates in the administration like Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice.

For the neocons, 9/11 was like winning the lotto. Suddenly they were making decisions for the president; they determined how and where to use hard power to overhaul the Middle East. Their long-term objective was to turn the Persian Gulf into the French Riviera. The Middle East was to conform to neocon blueprints, even though there is no history there of democracy, which became intrinsic to Europe only after 400 years of resistance and wars.

The neocons never considered how the populace of more than 300 million people in the region would feel about Democracy given 1,000 years of religious tribalism and a lifetime of learning the preachings of the prophet. Too many are maniacal Muslims who spend a life of daily instruction from the Quran, the holy book that includes this verse: Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.

It should be no surprise that America has not shown one iota of progress in the Middle East after 14 years. Life is full of second chances, and the neocons may have found theirs in a back alley deal with President Trump. But the Middle East has been Americas nightmare, and regardless of how much the neoconservatives want to see that change, I am convinced that far worse times are ahead.

Candidate Jekyll, President Hyde

Three thousand Americans died on 9/11, an attack born out of Osama bin Ladens need to avenge the scandal of Americas military bases on Arab lands (Saudi Arabia) in 1990-91. Two thousand Americans have been killed in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. The cost of the two wars is just under $5 trillion, or one quarter of the current U.S. federal debt. That was all the debt the federal government had accumulated from 1789 to 1997.

President Donald Trump promised to make America great again. He spoke of an America at peace at home and abroad. He spoke of making America the economic dynamo that it had once been and an America in which foreign policy no longer stumbled along aimlessly. Trump campaigned on that and as recently as April 5 that was his message. On that day he told a group of American workers that he does not want to be president of the world.

I believe the powers that operate the United States, the oligarchy that directs Americas foreign policy, has reeled Trump in by showing him a future where he would be constantly besieged by a hostile media that would stir never-ending protests, their objective nothing short of his impeachment. The real power brokers have Trump just where they want him; desperate enough to give in to the neocons continued lunacy of more war, more weapons and more money for the petroleum industry and defense and technology corporations.

On April 10 the Website Consortiumnews.com ran the headline: Neocons Have Trump on His Knees.

The story read:

After slapping Donald Trump around for several months to make him surrender his hopes for a more cooperative relationship with Russia, the neocons and their liberal-interventionist allies are now telling the battered President what he must do next: escalate war in the Middle East and ratchet up tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

Star neocon Robert Kagan spelled out Trumps future assignments in a column on Sunday in The Washington Post, starting out by patting the chastened President on the head for his decision to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles at an airstrip in Syria supposedly in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian government (although no serious investigation was even conducted).

Trump earned widespread plaudits for his decisive action and his heart-on-the-sleeve humanitarianism as his voice filled with emotion citing the chemical-weapons deaths on April 4 of small children and even beautiful little babies.

However, for Kagan, the missile strike was only a good start. An advocate for regime change in Syria and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century which pushed for the Iraq War, Kagan praised Trump for doing what the Obama administration refused to do, i.e. involve the U.S. military directly in attacks on the Syrian government.

The endgame for the neocons is for the United States to reassert itself as the worlds sole superpower. The early evidence is Trump is morphing his foreign policy to replicate President George W. Bush. Trumps bosses will insist on a continuation of dtente with China and aggressive actions against Syria and its benefactor Russia.

Plans have been made to install a pro-American regime in Syria that will replace Bashar al-Assad, who has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. The only glimmer of light in this black bank of clouds is that the neocons have made the Democrats look like fools over their conspiracy propaganda that Putin and Trump were in cahoots.

I knew Trump would be nothing like Obama. What I didnt know is that he would adopt the failed neoconservative policies of George W. Bush.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Posted on April 19, 2017 br by John Myers br br ... (show quote)


What else can they do? To actually deal with problems in the world, make the world a better and safer place, one would have to talk to the people IN the world, cooperate with other world leaders and experts - and admit that one doesn't know everything and that one needed help. That, my friends, is anathema to our "leaders", who have been conditioned to believe that America's shit don't stink, and we don't ask nobody nothing.

It is far easier to simply impose our will on smaller Nations, using military force or the threat thereof, and ignore Nations strong enough to tell us where to get off. We were never going to successfully impose democracy anywhere in the Middle East, and our leaders knew that from the get go - that particular piece of rhetoric was for OUR benefit, to get us to comply with their desire for war. How many wars have we fought ( and lost ) trying to stem the tide of communism? The very concept that war can halt an idea is ridiculous, but it sounded good, sounded patriotic and kept the American people complacent, for a little while anyway.

Were our wars to end tomorrow, the economy would see a shrinkage of 1 trillion dollars in the first year - money, BTW, that never sees the light of an American sky - as it's socked away in secret offshore bank accounts. How much of the Nations wealth can we afford to transfer from America, into someone else's bank account? War is GOOD for business - if you're in the right business. Eric and Don jr. are investing in war businesses - so President Trump has a vested interest in giving the war hawks what they want.

It's all about the money - any conversations about foreign policy or humanitarian concerns is just pure drivel - and a lie.

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Apr 25, 2017 09:53:12   #
PeterS
 
Loki wrote:
You are easily confused; but in this case, neocons is not a good thing. The problem is there isn't a really definitive definition of neocon. Lindsey Grahamnesty is a war-mongering asswipe. If you use him for a stereotype, then a necon is an interventionist who favors the United States sticking our nose into everyone else's business while we merge with Mexico and Canada as one nation. You will probably have trouble admitting that a lot of Democrats would qualify as neocons also.

So Graham would want to shoot missiles at Syria and threaten N Korea and Iran with war if they don't get in line correct? So just how is he any different than Trump and his minions? Might I suggest that the only difference is one of perception and nothing else...

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Apr 25, 2017 11:07:41   #
Sicilianthing
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
You may just be right



>>>>

Hi Tom, but I hope I'm seriously wrong as it appears to be Business as Usual in the District of Criminals... Trump works for the Corporation now and could careless about returning our Republic back to us.

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Apr 25, 2017 11:12:47   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
I get confused trying to keep up with you guys but aren't neocons currently out of vogue so isn't this good?


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No,

Trump was elected by the pissed of White people and mostly Patriots(blue n white collar actual citizens) to stop the madness in D.C. And get us out of all these undeclared Wars we are involved in.

would you like the list of ongoing conflicts our Troops are currently in ?

Then there's the list of conflicts the CIA ScumBags are secretly funding on both sides - would youlike that list ?

Then there's the CIA currently re supplying the Taliban insurgency brewing while our very troops are in harms way...
But you won't see that on the SPIN 6 Channels Networks right ?

I can go on and on... butyou get the picture... this is all lock step daily NeoCon Business as usual in D.C.
The Rabbit Hole is so deep Trump can't figure out who to fire, which Swamp creature to hook and remove first.

He's being misled

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Apr 25, 2017 11:13:50   #
Sicilianthing
 
Loki wrote:
You are easily confused; but in this case, neocons is not a good thing. The problem is there isn't a really definitive definition of neocon. Lindsey Grahamnesty is a war-mongering asswipe. If you use him for a stereotype, then a necon is an interventionist who favors the United States sticking our nose into everyone else's business while we merge with Mexico and Canada as one nation. You will probably have trouble admitting that a lot of Democrats would qualify as neocons also.


>>>>

Bingo ! You nailed it LOKI... hello and glad to see you.

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Apr 25, 2017 11:22:15   #
Sicilianthing
 
Rivers wrote:
You Still don't know anything about Trump, yet I bet you voted for him. Trump is not an ideologue, he is neither a conservative or a liberal. he has no political philosophy. I said from the start that he will piss off both sides. Trump will do what he thinks is best for America.

If he accomplishes nothing more than getting Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS and ensuring that the incompetent corrupt liar Hillary was not elected is enough for me. You can call Trump a neo-con, or whatever, but he is his own man, and has no political agenda....and, he is NOT George W. Bush.
You Still don't know anything about Trump, yet I b... (show quote)


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Noted but I don't vote as your vote doesn't count and never has, you've been misled there.
I supported Trump and still do but he's screwed now and the Trap is set...
Trump is either ignorant that the U.S. Operates as a Fraud Corp out of Puerto Rico propped up by a Foreign Interests Banking Cabal (more later) and the FED, IRS, Treasury and IMF as an enforcement and collection enterprise.
All of the above has been long in the making by operatives in both parties and 3 branches via the CFR and Tri - Laterals.

This Rabbit hole gets seriously deep from here and most people you're surrounded by daily will never digest it.

Trump needs to Audit and Abolish the Federal Reserve to expose the 8 families (owning and controlling the above)
He needs to Repeal the 16th + End the IRS and expose their actual M.O.U. To the Citizens... (I'll post that in a new Topic next)
He needs to BAN and Remove the Corporation from D.C. And return the Land, mineral rights to all the lawful bloodlines.

More later...

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Apr 25, 2017 11:25:35   #
Sicilianthing
 
lpnmajor wrote:
What else can they do? To actually deal with problems in the world, make the world a better and safer place, one would have to talk to the people IN the world, cooperate with other world leaders and experts - and admit that one doesn't know everything and that one needed help. That, my friends, is anathema to our "leaders", who have been conditioned to believe that America's shit don't stink, and we don't ask nobody nothing.

It is far easier to simply impose our will on smaller Nations, using military force or the threat thereof, and ignore Nations strong enough to tell us where to get off. We were never going to successfully impose democracy anywhere in the Middle East, and our leaders knew that from the get go - that particular piece of rhetoric was for OUR benefit, to get us to comply with their desire for war. How many wars have we fought ( and lost ) trying to stem the tide of communism? The very concept that war can halt an idea is ridiculous, but it sounded good, sounded patriotic and kept the American people complacent, for a little while anyway.

Were our wars to end tomorrow, the economy would see a shrinkage of 1 trillion dollars in the first year - money, BTW, that never sees the light of an American sky - as it's socked away in secret offshore bank accounts. How much of the Nations wealth can we afford to transfer from America, into someone else's bank account? War is GOOD for business - if you're in the right business. Eric and Don jr. are investing in war businesses - so President Trump has a vested interest in giving the war hawks what they want.

It's all about the money - any conversations about foreign policy or humanitarian concerns is just pure drivel - and a lie.
What else can they do? To actually deal with probl... (show quote)


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Noted and that is a concern of mine... I truly hope you're wrong about this..

Tel Aviv and the so called Jews have infiltrated Trumps admin and managed to marry his Daughter off to one of their own.

I'm OUT !

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Apr 25, 2017 11:37:06   #
Carol Kelly
 
Rivers wrote:
You Still don't know anything about Trump, yet I bet you voted for him. Trump is not an ideologue, he is neither a conservative or a liberal. he has no political philosophy. I said from the start that he will piss off both sides. Trump will do what he thinks is best for America.

If he accomplishes nothing more than getting Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS and ensuring that the incompetent corrupt liar Hillary was not elected is enough for me. You can call Trump a neo-con, or whatever, but he is his own man, and has no political agenda....and, he is NOT George W. Bush.
You Still don't know anything about Trump, yet I b... (show quote)



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