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Abortion is a non-issue for Christians, a totally made up sham by the Moral Majority for power and influence
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Apr 23, 2017 10:18:02   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
How do you say then that "God is in control"? Either he is or isn't? In control, these deaths are on him, not in control, how can he be God?


Did God make you post?

It's telling that you don't post the scripture that you reference.

Did God make you do that too?

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Apr 23, 2017 10:59:13   #
Ve'hoe
 
yes it does,,, maybe you should read it??

Dr.Dross wrote:
The Bible does not recognize a fetus in the first two trimesters as "someone."

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Apr 23, 2017 11:22:27   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
yes it does,,, maybe you should read it??


I don't have the Bible memorized, but I was immediately suspicious when he continually referenced a scripture that he did not paste into the post.

"Oddly Enough", the passage had no resemblance to his claim.

It's odd that someone would make such a bizarre claim about a Bible passage without considering the possibility that someone else might look it up.

Here's the King James' version:

Exodus 21:22 King James Bible
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:34:56   #
Morgan
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
I know without a doubt, he is my protector.
He has shown that to me too many times. Guns are our right to protect our homes and family. I have my ccl and if I needed to use that right ,I would do so. There has always been wars and will always be until Jesus comes again after tribulation.


So another words when you choose the reason you have the right to kill...? I believe some Quakers, Mormon's, Sephardic Jews, and I'm sure others I've missed will not agree with you and will not kill no matter what, I suppose they are less hypocritical.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:45:59   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
So another words when you choose the reason you have the right to kill...? I believe some Quakers, Mormon's, Sephardic Jews, and I'm sure others I've missed will not agree with you and will not kill no matter what, I suppose they are less hypocritical.


That is a rational viewpoint, but there are other rational viewpoints.

I would never kill a person, unless I had to do so. But.... If someone threatens me or my family, I will do my best to stop them the best way I can. If that means shooting them? Bang. If it means setting them on fire, "Light 'Em if you got 'Em", if that means tossing them into a giant meat grinder? They're as good as dog food.

I was in the military. It was peace time, but I was prepared to do what I had to do, and with God's help I would have found the courage necessary if I had been called upon.

I think allowing a child to drown when saving them was possible is taking part in their death by inaction. I think that's a rational thought.

In short.. Yes, we all make decisions. Sometimes that decision costs, or saves a life.

I think if someone tried to rape a woman and another person intervenes and kills the wannabe rapist, it's a good thing, even if the woman wasn't going to be killed. I think it's rational to intervene to save the innocent from the evildoers.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:57:13   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
With a proviso: not in the last tri-mester. If an abortion is necessary in that period to save the life of the mother, all efforts should be extended to do so. Church ruling.

Nearly 2000 years of Church doctrine and hardly a word to say on abortion but that it was okay up to the third tri-mester. The Bible has only one--only one--direct reference to abortion, and it supports that life begins at around 27 months. Not before! Not at conception! For the Church for nearly 2 millennium life begins at around twenty-eight months. Yet over 3000 verses for social justice in the Bible are routinely ignored for the preposterous stance on abortion to be prominent among Christian concerns. As once was inter-racial marriage.

Killing a fetus prior to the 29th or thirtieth week was never considered murder by the Church since its start and up until the Moral Majority in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
With a proviso: not in the last tri-mester. If an ... (show quote)


Dr. Garbage! Even more dross. Since when have YOU been the spokesman for the Church? I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but medical knowledge has increased over the last nearly 2,000 years. Safe abortions are a relatively new procedure, therefore were not easily available in the years past, hence, killing a fetus was not widely practiced. You claim to be a doctor. Is your discipline duck talk?? Quack, quack!!

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Apr 23, 2017 11:58:41   #
Big Bass
 
America Only wrote:
You are really one sick moron. You just post any garbage and think it should stick! Got news for you, Buckwheat! You are an ABORTION!


Obviously at a back-street abortionist.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:59:26   #
Ve'hoe
 
And never forget,,,, those societies only exist because someone protects them with a gun...

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell

Having been around the world,,,, this is unfortunately true,,,,, there is no altruistic "peace" without war.... liberal utopia does not exist

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgeorwe159448.html
Morgan wrote:
So another words when you choose the reason you have the right to kill...? I believe some Quakers, Mormon's, Sephardic Jews, and I'm sure others I've missed will not agree with you and will not kill no matter what, I suppose they are less hypocritical.

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Apr 23, 2017 11:59:47   #
Big Bass
 
PeterS wrote:
God kills more fetus's through miscarriage than are killed through abortion. I don't see Christians picketing god so I have a feeling they don't think it as bad as they are letting on. It didn't become a political point until Reagan's second term. Until then it was held fairly evenly between the two parties...


How's THAT for an asinine statement?

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Apr 23, 2017 12:03:57   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
And if God is control, as some low-info Christians believe, he kills everyone.


You mean muslims.

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Apr 23, 2017 12:05:00   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
It is not murder according to the Bible and the Church for almost 2000 years. If God and our Church Fathers are "stupid liberals" then abortion is anyone's guess.

Where in the Bible?

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Apr 23, 2017 12:05:14   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
That is a rational viewpoint, but there are other rational viewpoints.

I would never kill a person, unless I had to do so. But.... If someone threatens me or my family, I will do my best to stop them the best way I can. If that means shooting them? Bang. If it means setting them on fire, "Light 'Em if you got 'Em", if that means tossing them into a giant meat grinder? They're as good as dog food.

I was in the military. It was peace time, but I was prepared to do what I had to do, and with God's help I would have found the courage necessary if I had been called upon.

I think allowing a child to drown when saving them was possible is taking part in their death by inaction. I think that's a rational thought.

In short.. Yes, we all make decisions. Sometimes that decision costs, or saves a life.

I think if someone tried to rape a woman and another person intervenes and kills the wannabe rapist, it's a good thing, even if the woman wasn't going to be killed. I think it's rational to intervene to save the innocent from the evildoers.
That is a rational viewpoint, but there are other ... (show quote)





I agree with you Dave in everyway especially when it comes to reason, which is why when I am willing to take a life for whatever righteous reason I have don't sit in judgment in a woman's choice to grow a fetus, it is on her and no one else, especially not the government's, no one should open that Pandora's box. We are at a day and age where no abortion should be necessary unless the life of the mother is in danger and than it is still her choice to either sacrifice herself or not. Freedom is each person makes their decision on their own life. I don't know of one woman that would ever say they want an abortion, and that is not a form of birth control. That is a delusion.

Trump has now taken away funding for planned parenthood, which helped girls/woman with contraceptives, we've been on a decrease in abortions, now because of Trump it'll probably rise again, especially under the table.

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Apr 23, 2017 12:06:45   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
You seem like a nice person but u r clueless. A little puppet doll. Think. Research. Question. Open.


You are a pompous fraud.

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Apr 23, 2017 12:07:50   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Sorry. My poor little troll, after devouring his siblings to survive, has, well, er, um, developed a bit of an edge. I think he will get better. Docs say there is a 12% chance of a return to normalcy, but that's something, right?

Facts not in evidence.

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Apr 23, 2017 12:09:55   #
Big Bass
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Interesting,,, can you name one person,, God has killed,,,BTW,,,, what are you a "dr" of??? Wasnt aware they gave a doctorate for idiocy......


If there was he would have graduated "summa cum laude."

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