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Apr 19, 2017 17:00:04   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this rule, I suppose even the Government doesn't consider Islam a religion. With the aid of lesson plans provided by PBS, a government paid source, teachers are enabled to teach about Allah, the one true God.
Our children are being bent to all sorts of horror in the name of enlightenment, political correctness, and all sorts of sordid stuff that changes them and confuses them and our
relationship with them. So many don't teach their children about God and his son, Jesus
Christ at home that they only are learning about Allah. Isn't that where radicalization perhaps begins?
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this... (show quote)


Yes, that's where it begins. Parents taught their children that niggers were animals and cursed by God. Parents teach their children that Democrats can't be Christians. Radicalism ALWAYS begins at home.

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Apr 19, 2017 17:51:56   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yes, that's where it begins. Parents taught their children that niggers were animals and cursed by God. Parents teach their children that Democrats can't be Christians. Radicalism ALWAYS begins at home.


Radicalism does not "ALWAYS" begin at home. It is easy to get sucked down into the mob of mass mentality cesspools of 'whatever' subject is on their hit list.

To Kill A Mockingbird subtlety depicts this throughout its entirety.

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Apr 19, 2017 23:10:59   #
Carol Kelly
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, I taught Modern World History before I retired ten years ago. As part of the course, I taught the basics of Islam, The Eastern religions, the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic counter reformation. This was a necessary part of the course because religion played a huge role in the fifteen hundreds. One day, a mother of one of my students came into the school with blood in her eye. She claimed that I tried to convert her daughter to Buddhism. Of course I had no such desire to do so. I suppose that faith struck a chord in her daughter.
I believe it is important to teach high school kids the differences of beliefs of the various religions. Teaching comparative religion is quite different from practicing any religion. The First Amendment to the constitution guarantees that the government must not advance any religion over any other. The beliefs of all people are their own business. The constitution also forbids the church, ( any church ) from interfering in the business of the state. Jefferson's " wall between state and church " has worked very well since the US Constitution was written. If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Carol, I taught Modern World History before I reti... (show quote)


I understand your position and I see your point, however this is different. They aren't teaching comparative religion, they're teaching the worship of Islam. Times have changed, I don't want my grandchildren running around shouting Allah Allah akhbar or whatever. That's not all they're doing and this is why so many parents are filing lawsuits.
Thank you for your response, but take a look at the shambles in Europe and tell me if that's what you want for our world. Our leaders are telling us now that we're at war. Have you heard John Kelly? General Mattis? Pense?

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Apr 19, 2017 23:16:53   #
Carol Kelly
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yes, that's where it begins. Parents taught their children that niggers were animals and cursed by God. Parents teach their children that Democrats can't be Christians. Radicalism ALWAYS begins at home.


We are finished with that "stuff" and if we can get over the great divide , maybe we can get on with saving our world. It's interesting hearing different opinions. My parents never taught me that Negroes were animals and cursed by God. No one ever said that Democrats can't be Christians. I don't know where you learned all this but you have my sympathy.

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Apr 20, 2017 01:23:58   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, I taught Modern World History before I retired ten years ago. As part of the course, I taught the basics of Islam, The Eastern religions, the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic counter reformation. This was a necessary part of the course because religion played a huge role in the fifteen hundreds. One day, a mother of one of my students came into the school with blood in her eye. She claimed that I tried to convert her daughter to Buddhism. Of course I had no such desire to do so. I suppose that faith struck a chord in her daughter.
I believe it is important to teach high school kids the differences of beliefs of the various religions. Teaching comparative religion is quite different from practicing any religion. The First Amendment to the constitution guarantees that the government must not advance any religion over any other. The beliefs of all people are their own business. The constitution also forbids the church, ( any church ) from interfering in the business of the state. Jefferson's " wall between state and church " has worked very well since the US Constitution was written. If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Carol, I taught Modern World History before I reti... (show quote)


You have your facts azz backwards....The Constitution does not forbid any church to interfere with the so called business of the state. It does however, give religion the freedom to be practiced WITHOUT the interference of the Government.

For someone that claims to have been teaching, you are pathetic.
http://usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

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Apr 20, 2017 06:24:12   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this rule, I suppose even the Government doesn't consider Islam a religion. With the aid of lesson plans provided by PBS, a government paid source, teachers are enabled to teach about Allah, the one true God.
Our children are being bent to all sorts of horror in the name of enlightenment, political correctness, and all sorts of sordid stuff that changes them and confuses them and our
relationship with them. So many don't teach their children about God and his son, Jesus
Christ at home that they only are learning about Allah. Isn't that where radicalization perhaps begins?
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this... (show quote)



You have to realize this 'separation of church & state' is almost entirely due to ACLU.

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Apr 20, 2017 07:07:34   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this rule, I suppose even the Government doesn't consider Islam a religion. With the aid of lesson plans provided by PBS, a government paid source, teachers are enabled to teach about Allah, the one true God.
Our children are being bent to all sorts of horror in the name of enlightenment, political correctness, and all sorts of sordid stuff that changes them and confuses them and our
relationship with them. So many don't teach their children about God and his son, Jesus
Christ at home that they only are learning about Allah. Isn't that where radicalization perhaps begins?
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this... (show quote)


PBS gets 15% of it's funding from the government and NPR somewhat less. President Trump is taking away most Federal funding. In the future, if they teach anti-Christian or Pro Muslim formats, it will be privately funded.

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Apr 20, 2017 07:09:12   #
waltmoreno
 
Before the Supreme Court adopted the nonsense that there had to be a wall of "separation of Church and State", children were taught to read with McGuffy's Readers. These books combined delightful stories of everyday lessons in morality and civility, and freely used Biblical references for authority. Alas, the long slide towards liberalism, (rejection of God) began when the court lifted a phrase that Jefferson had written in a letter to a constituent, "separation of Church and State", and adopted it as if it was part of the text of the constitution. Unless morality is part of the basic curriculum, schoolchildren will be missing a big part of what they should be learning.

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Apr 20, 2017 10:42:43   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Before the Supreme Court adopted the nonsense that there had to be a wall of "separation of Church and State", children were taught to read with McGuffy's Readers. These books combined delightful stories of everyday lessons in morality and civility, and freely used Biblical references for authority. Alas, the long slide towards liberalism, (rejection of God) began when the court lifted a phrase that Jefferson had written in a letter to a constituent, "separation of Church and State", and adopted it as if it was part of the text of the constitution. Unless morality is part of the basic curriculum, schoolchildren will be missing a big part of what they should be learning.
Before the Supreme Court adopted the nonsense that... (show quote)


Liberal ARE the enemy of this Nation.

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Apr 20, 2017 10:53:29   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
America Only wrote:
Liberal ARE the enemy of this Nation.


But they do serve as a warning, therefore they have a useful purpose. Sort of. Plus if they're short enough, they make great replacement mudflaps for your truck.

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Apr 20, 2017 11:05:14   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The constitution also forbids the church, ( any church ) from interfering in the business of the state.


Where does it say that? I cannot find any prohibition levied against any religious influence or practice anywhere in the text of the US Constitution of 1789. In fact, the only mention of the word 'religion' is in the first amendment of the Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That is a prohibition levied against Congress, and has nothing against religious organizations or institutions being involved in any activity, political or otherwise. Beyond this one instance, there is no mention of 'religion' or any of its derivatives in any other place in the Constitution.

Had you checked your assertion before sending it, you would have known that. Why do you make things like this up when you know it is so easily debunked?

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Apr 20, 2017 11:08:27   #
Carol Kelly
 


I did check it out. This is what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with comparative religion. It is Islamand goes against the Constitution and Gods laws. So where does this end? I'd like to say Goobye to California after the good people get out. And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

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Apr 20, 2017 11:10:00   #
Carol Kelly
 
Loki wrote:
But they do serve as a warning, therefore they have a useful purpose. Sort of. Plus if they're short enough, they make great replacement mudflaps for your truck.


Lol!

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Apr 20, 2017 11:13:48   #
Carol Kelly
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Before the Supreme Court adopted the nonsense that there had to be a wall of "separation of Church and State", children were taught to read with McGuffy's Readers. These books combined delightful stories of everyday lessons in morality and civility, and freely used Biblical references for authority. Alas, the long slide towards liberalism, (rejection of God) began when the court lifted a phrase that Jefferson had written in a letter to a constituent, "separation of Church and State", and adopted it as if it was part of the text of the constitution. Unless morality is part of the basic curriculum, schoolchildren will be missing a big part of what they should be learning.
Before the Supreme Court adopted the nonsense that... (show quote)


That's where we need to go...back to the future!

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Apr 20, 2017 11:49:19   #
JimMe
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this rule, I suppose even the Government doesn't consider Islam a religion. With the aid of lesson plans provided by PBS, a government paid source, teachers are enabled to teach about Allah, the one true God.
Our children are being bent to all sorts of horror in the name of enlightenment, political correctness, and all sorts of sordid stuff that changes them and confuses them and our
relationship with them. So many don't teach their children about God and his son, Jesus
Christ at home that they only are learning about Allah. Isn't that where radicalization perhaps begins?
So, we can't have prayer in school because of this... (show quote)





Wikipedia's entry for "Islamic Culture" states:

"... Islamic culture generally includes all the practices which have developed around the religion of Islam..."

Teaching Islamic Culture in Public Schools is violating the 1st Amendment because it is having USA Governments supporting and educating the practices of a Religion...

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